I have lost my sense of humour about this. It's hard to see this as anything
other than a systematic attempt to disrupt IETF activities.
Forget about exotic laws like CAN-SPAM. This systematic attempt to disrupt
IETF mailing lists should be enough to get a court injunction ordering him
to cease
At 01:45 26-03-2009, Michael Dillon wrote:
Forget about exotic laws like CAN-SPAM. This systematic attempt to disrupt
IETF mailing lists should be enough to get a court injunction ordering him
to cease and desist. The Internet is irrelevant. The technology is irrelevant.
Let's step back and
On 23-Mar-2009, at 14:35, Melinda Shore wrote:
I was auto-subscribed to Dean's ietf-honest mailing
list, and I'm unhappy about it.
As I think was mentioned a day or two ago on this list, the reasonable
way I found to avoid these auto-subscriptions to ietf-honest was to
block packets from
Joe Abley wrote:
On 23-Mar-2009, at 14:35, Melinda Shore wrote:
I was auto-subscribed to Dean's ietf-honest mailing
list, and I'm unhappy about it.
As I think was mentioned a day or two ago on this list, the reasonable
way I found to avoid these auto-subscriptions to ietf-honest
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10:04AM -0700, Joe Abley wrote:
I have lost my sense of humour about this. It's hard to see this as
anything other than a systematic attempt to disrupt IETF activities.
It is my suspicion that the perpetrating gang is attempting to goad
volunteers into legal
On 23-Mar-2009, at 14:52, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
I know someone else who simply refuses all traffic sourced
from inside a certain AS associated with Mr Anderson; that person
seems more cheerful for the effort, too.
r1.owls#show ip access-list from-world
Extended IP access list from-world
: [Ietf-honest] Subscriptions to ietf-honest
On 24 Mar 2009, John Levine wrote:
On the other hand, given the long, long history of abusive and
disruptive behavior, perhaps it's time for a regular cease and desist
from the IETF's lawyer.
You mean 'disruptive' like disrupting a discussion
Melinda Shore wrote:
I was auto-subscribed to Dean's ietf-honest mailing
list, and I'm unhappy about it.
Sorry Melinda - boy are your wrong - and you need to know that you may
need to get legal advice on this - because you nor anyone else here owns
their own IP addresses anymore... you gave
Todd Glassey CISM CIFI wrote:
Sorry Melinda - boy are your wrong - and you need to know that you may
need to get legal advice on this - because you nor anyone else here owns
their own IP addresses anymore... you gave them away to the IETF when
you submitted them to the IETF under the NoteWell
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:25:50AM -0400, Melinda Shore wrote:
Todd, if you can't figure out the differences between
an IP address and an email address, delivering packets and
delivering email, well, I don't know.
And Dean's *not* the IETF. The IETF has some people
acting in designated
well, question. Did he actually do that, or did he make a mailing list
that has one member - the IETF list - to which he can add other
members as he chooses?
You may recall that at some point in the past we had the opposite.
Someone set up a mailing list that was subscribed to
I was subscribed and was able to unsubcribe w/o any difficulties so as to
make the experience memorable. I would much prefer to not have been
bothered.
I recall very fondly the list filtered relay Fred mentions ...
unfortunately, one day it just stopped functioning w/o warning.
Dave
The newly minted RFC 5429 offers a solution:
if envelope :domain :contains from [av8.net, av8.com,
iadl.org] {
ereject go away; stop;
}
-- Kurt
___
Ietf mailing list
Ietf@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
Dean,
The web interface is broken. I don't have the initial password and it
won't send me a new one.
Please cease and desist this nonsense and unsubscribe me promptly, I
never asked to be on your list, nor did anyone else that you added.
You're a spammer, plain and simple.
Ole
Ole J.
] On Behalf Of Ole
Jacobsen
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2009 9:41 AM
To: Dean Anderson
Cc: ietf-hon...@lists.iadl.org; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'
Subject: Re: Subscriptions to ietf-honest
Dean,
The web interface is broken. I don't have the initial password and it
won't send me a new one
7:29 PM
To: 'Ole Jacobsen'; Dean Anderson
Cc: ietf-hon...@lists.iadl.org; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'
Subject: RE: Subscriptions to ietf-honest
Dean,
I feel that this issue has gone on Long enough It seems to me that by not
allowing people to opt out and by unsolicited
On Mar 23, 2009, at 3:27 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
It's happened to me twice, with two different lists of his. I've
complained to him, but to no avail. I wonder if the CAN SPAM act
applies.
IANAL but my impression is that it definitely does apply, possibly
I was auto-subscribed to Dean's ietf-honest mailing
list, and I'm unhappy about it. I don't know what his
current status is with regard to the ietf@ietf.org
mailing list but I think he's pretty clearly abusing
this mailing list by snagging names from it and
putting us on his mailing list without
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:35:35 -0400
Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
I was auto-subscribed to Dean's ietf-honest mailing
list, and I'm unhappy about it. I don't know what his
current status is with regard to the ietf@ietf.org
mailing list but I think he's pretty clearly abusing
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 05:35:35PM -0400, Melinda Shore wrote:
this mailing list by snagging names from it and
putting us on his mailing list without asking.
He also refuses to allow WG chairs to unsubscribe. If you
unsubscribe, he re-subscribes you. Some people apparently don't have
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 17:46, Steven M. Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote:
It's happened to me twice, with two different lists of his. I've
complained to him, but to no avail. I wonder if the CAN SPAM act
applies.
Unfortunately, no, thanks to (deliberate?) loopholes and
shortfalls of
Fred Baker wrote:
well, question. Did he actually do that, or did he make a mailing list
that has one member - the IETF list - to which he can add other members
as he chooses?
I received a welcome message addressed to me
individually, which included the following:
You were probably added
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
It's happened to me twice, with two different lists of his. I've
complained to him, but to no avail. I wonder if the CAN SPAM act
applies.
IANAL but my impression is that it definitely does apply, possibly multiply and
possibly even with sanctions. As noted,
--On March 23, 2009 5:46:54 PM -0400 Steven M. Bellovin
s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:35:35 -0400
Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
I was auto-subscribed to Dean's ietf-honest mailing
list, and I'm unhappy about it. I don't know what his
current status is
FWIW, I have been subscribed twice and have successfully unsubscribed twice.
If it happens again I'll install an SMTP level block.
Ned
P.S. I have no opinion about the applicability (or lack thereof) of can-spam to
this. It's been too long since I read the law.
Shore
Cc: ietf-hon...@lists.iadl.org; 'IETF Discussion Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [Ietf-honest] Subscriptions to ietf-honest
I have responded to the criticism in this message, and altered the
Welcome message to reflect that this list does not represent the IETF,
but does represent some IETF members
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