Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-31 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
Jorge, I seriously believe you're overreacting and overrepresenting the actual view of the people in Argentina. Few, if any, members of the Internet community in Argentina and neighboring countries share this view, and almost all of us can't help laughing at the ironic situation where some people

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-31 Thread Jorge Amodio
Carlos, I clearly stated that the comment was OT, ie didn't have to much relation with the discussion. I'm not overreacting or misrepresenting anything, it was just an OT comment about a blog article which IMHO I consider really stupid and completely out of lalaland. I didn't say a protest WILL

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-31 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
Whether OT or not you actively contribute to the mood of the discussion. And to have a fruitful discussion on the topic I believe we MUST accurately represent the facts, again, regardless of being OT or not. ~Carlos On 5/31/13 3:07 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote: Carlos, I clearly stated that the

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-31 Thread Jorge Amodio
The existence of that article IS a fact -Jorge On May 31, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Carlos M. Martinez carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote: Whether OT or not you actively contribute to the mood of the discussion. And to have a fruitful discussion on the topic I believe we MUST accurately represent the

financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-29 Thread Ines Robles
Hello, I'd also say that I've never heard anyone making that sort of statement. For instance, the argentinan government itself has a program to increase Internet connectivity throughout the country -- That is the web page of the program that Fernando mentions,

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Fernando Gont
On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be recommended. Recommended for what? And on what basis? Cheers, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: ferna...@gont.com.ar ||

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Fernando Gont
Jorge, On 05/27/2013 08:16 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote: I feel that is totally OT but for example we have supporters of the current government like this one, claiming to be a writer, that if you are able to read in Spanish or helped by a translator to read his article, you will learn that he is

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Tim, On 05/27/2013 09:19 AM, Tim Chown wrote: The move appears to be related to new, restrictive regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting to change Argentine pesos into another

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Juliao Braga
Hi Fernando, Please, read my sentence complementary to comment: ...But who should tell us about the true cenary would be our Argentine friends. Regards, JuliĆ£o Em 28/05/2013 10:36, Fernando Gont escreveu: On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: According to the news published for a long

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Fernando Gont
Julio, I'm worried about people making statements on a random basis. I assume that many people (IAOC and many others) have made a lot of effort before getting to the point of formally proposing/suggesting to have an IETF meeting in Buenos Aires. I bet much of that effort had to do with making an

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
The bad things that happen in Argentina financially affect only Argentinians. I'm not saying this is a good thing overall, just saying that this isn't a problem for tourists and certainly won't be a problem for IETFers. Probably these financial 'issues' will even affect positively the

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Juliao Braga
Dear Fernando, If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I decide to no. By this reason I need to listen from Argentine people, as you. I believe this is the right way to decide. The choice of Buenos Aires

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Fernando Gont
Julio, On 05/28/2013 08:20 PM, Juliao Braga wrote: If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I decide to no. Could you please provide pointers to such articles? Additionally, could you please summarize

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Juliao Braga
Fernando, Please, read the Brazilian newspapers and magazines. I'm not looking for news from Argentina. I see them and / or read just the same way that I see or read others news, always an passant. This type of issue is not exactly my specialty or interest. But you can see a handful of recents

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Arturo Servin
Juliao, I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some about the senate, commercial balance but none saying huu, scary Argentina, do not go there. Regards, as On 5/28/13 7:13 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Juliao Braga
Arturo, Who said ...huu, scary Argentina, do not go there? Where? In this list? Em 28/05/2013 20:09, Arturo Servin escreveu: Juliao, I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some about the

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Arturo Servin
not be recommended sounds to me it sounded like huu, scary, do not go there. /as On 5/27/13 2:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be recommended. But who

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Juliao Braga
Arturo, I'm sorry that you interpret this way. But absolutely, I do not mean to offend. Only expressed a point of view and said that our Argentine friends could clarify. You can not trust the press, totally. Anyway, I apologize if there was offense. Best Regards, Juliao Em 28/05/2013 20:36,

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread Arturo Servin
Not taken. It was estrange to me that it were many news about how bad Argentina is in the Brazilian press. I read frequently BBC-Brazil and other newspapers of latin america and I haven't read such things, that is why. /as On 5/28/13 8:45 PM, Juliao Braga wrote: Arturo, I'm

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-28 Thread I rob
Hello, I'd also say that I've never heard anyone making that sort of statement. For instance, the argentinan government itself has a program to increase Internet connectivity throughout the country -- That is the web page of the program that Fernando mentions,

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-27 Thread Jorge Amodio
The financial and political current situation is more complex than just the manipulation and restrictions on currency exchange and payment of obligations. I feel that is totally OT but for example we have supporters of the current government like this one, claiming to be a writer, that if you

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 27 May 2013, at 05:15, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: The move appears to be related to new, restrictive regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting to change Argentine pesos into

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-27 Thread John R Levine
Is this above advice from Tripadvisor correct? I believe so, but when I was there a few years ago for the ICANN meeting, excess cash was not a problem. It wasn't hard to estimate how much cash I'd need, and whatever was left I spent at the airport. The wine they drink in Argentina is often

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-27 Thread Jorge Amodio
You should double check, regulations about currency markets are changing very often, custom/immigration officials will almost for sure ask you how much currency you are bringing and for what, and as the trip advisor page says don't expect to be able to convert back leftover pesos to foreign

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-27 Thread Tim Chown
On 27 May 2013, at 16:37, John R Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: Is this above advice from Tripadvisor correct? I believe so, but when I was there a few years ago for the ICANN meeting, excess cash was not a problem. It wasn't hard to estimate how much cash I'd need, and whatever was left

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-26 Thread John Levine
The move appears to be related to new, restrictive regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.' According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting to change Argentine pesos into another currency to submit an online request for permission

Re: financial fun with an IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-26 Thread Juliao Braga
According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be recommended. But who should tell us about the true cenary would be our Argentine friends. Juliao Em 27/05/2013 01:15, John Levine escreveu: These kinds of