Jacob Palme wrote:
My personal notes from the IETF meeting in Minneapolis
last week can be found at
http://dsv.su.se/jpalme/ietf/ietf-mar-01-notes.html
Here are some highlights (since some of the nroff systems
are not "html ready" :^)
All,
Some good points here. Note however, that there are some people from
"outside" the IETF who have more technical expertise than those inside -
e.g. on the "new" IETF topics of optical control, where others have been
working for years. If they turn up to a meeting without having read all
All,
OK, so when are we going to move from having 2 meetings per year in the USA
?
How about 1 per year in North / South America, 1 per year in Asia /
Australasia and 1 per year in Europe / Africa ?
As for holding meetings near international air hubs -
1. Oslo ?
2. Have you tried getting a
Joyce,
Strictly speaking, this can't be true. If all the other members didn't pay
their contributions, the Platinum money would have to be spent on something
else.
"They also serve"
Regards,
Graham
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IETF meetings are held because they are beneficial to accomplishing
the work of the IETF, not to promoate some sort of internationalism.
Thus far they have been geographically distributed roughly as the
recent IETF meeting attendees locations has been geographically
distributed. (Availability
As long as about 2/3 of the IETF attendees are from North
America, 2/3 of the meetings should be in North America.
similar logic might apply to havana.
or, as long as 2/3 of the meetings are held in north america,
2/3 of the attendees will be from north america.
randy
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As long as about 2/3 of the IETF attendees are from
Dear All,
perhaps someone can help me. What does burstification mean?
Thank you in advance
Regards,
Davide
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wrote:
OK, so when are we going to move from having 2 meetings per
year in the USA ?
How about 1 per year in North / South America, 1 per year in
Asia / Australasia and 1 per year in Europe / Africa ?
Graham,
Subject to
Obviously those from North America don't need any encouragement to go, so
why have any meetings there.
Lets hold the meetings in some of the poorer or more developing countries.
Ben
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Davide Careglio wrote:
perhaps someone can help me. What does burstification mean?
Well, it sounds like it should mean "making something bursty";
but, really, it means that somebody's been making up words, and
you should ask them what they mean.
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IETF meetings are held because they are beneficial to accomplishing
the work of the IETF, not to promoate some sort of internationalism.
Hmm. I thought the Internet was for everyone.
Keith
Burstification can happen at the Link Layer ie on Optical Networks:
optical burst switching interface (burstification).
There are Edge Router Designed for Burst Switched WDM Networks: Design
and implementation of important components for operations such as
burstification (great amount) of
I reject this and believe the IETF should continue to optimize for the
accomplishment of its goals of good Internet Engineering rather than
political correctness.
of course. but part of good Internet Engineering is developing protocols
that meet the diverse needs of the entire Internet
Having lived in New Zealand, Europe and (this week) in Chicago, I have
to say that the US is a pretty good location for the majority of IETF
meetings, for many practical reasons. I've never been offended by
having to cross the ocean; with air fares as illogical as they are, it
isn't even a cost
Burstification is the opposite of smoothing -- making traffic more bursty. This might
be done artificially as part of a study on the impacts of traffic bustiness. Also,
many service mechanisms and protocol actions often tend to increase the burstiness in
an information flow.
Davide Careglio
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:30:50AM -0500, in message 2224339706.985771850@P2, John C
Klensin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Re: RE: Deja Vu
[...]
on working-engineer attendance. To by cynical about it, one of
the attractions of Minneapolis in February or March, or (to pick
on a place we
with air fares as illogical as they are, it
isn't even a cost issue.
The cost thing is, I think, misleading. Having
had the experience of having to go to many ETSI
meetings, I've found that apart from a few
incredibly expensive cities it's generally cheaper
to go to Europe than it is to
I don't think internationalization of the Internet ==
internationalization of IETF meetings. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Donald
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The only way I have found on Win 2K to print RFCs while preserving
formatting is to ps-print them from emacs running on Windows.
You can even print to a networked printer.
Bora
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Keith Moore wrote:
At one time I was told by several folks that Windows users have a
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2. Have you tried getting a direct flight to Minneapolis from outside the
USA ? or San Diego ? It's not easy.
My trusty timetable lookup offers "Napoli" when I ask for "Minneapolis".
Though it might not cover flights, I've never
Hi,
Thank you very much. It is very useful.
Srihari Raghavan
Graduate Student
Dept. of Computer Science
Virginia Tech
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London is well known to be
one of the most expensive cities in the world for hotel accommodation.
It would be a bad thing if clue was excluded because of the total cost
of a meeting being very high.
But hopefully IETF attendies are of the mindset that can forgo the
ensuite hotel room for BB
Supposedly we have a preference for developing ideas
and consensus on mailing lists. Many people have actually
achieved things in the IETF by being active on the mailing
lists without going to each and every IETF meeting. Perhaps
this argues in favor of moving an additional IETF meeting
out of
Hi,
Doesnt WORD preserve it? I thought WORD works well for RFCs. OSPFv2 RFC didnt print
well, however.
Thanks
dharani
Bora Akyol wrote:
The only way I have found on Win 2K to print RFCs while preserving
formatting is to ps-print them from emacs running on Windows.
You can even print to a
At 06:30 AM 3/28/2001, John C Klensin wrote:
Subject to constraints of invitations and practicality, part of
Continued reliance on invitations and hosts ensure several problems.
One is that we tend to lock in a location one year later than we
should. Should be 2 years, and we tend to run no
I find this most helpful. If only the ietf would do this for presentations instead of
just html. Then one can put together a reliable collection that is completely
portable for a meeting, conference, work on a plane, anywhere a active internet
connection may not be an option.
Robert
Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
[..]
But hopefully IETF attendies are of the mindset that can forgo the
ensuite hotel room for BB accomodation or the like.
In my experience IETF attendees care little about the room
itself, only that it is within short(ish) walking distance
of the meetings
Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
For travel planning purposes it's important to me that the location
of the London meeting be announced as early as possible. I doubt
very much I'll be staying in the conference hotel (or anywhere near
it), which means I need to book alternate accomodation as early
Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
But hopefully IETF attendies are of the mindset that can forgo the
ensuite hotel room for BB accomodation or the like.
[...]
For travel planning purposes it's important to me that the location
of the London meeting be announced as early as possible. I doubt
very
leo vegoda wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 09:30:50AM -0500, in message 2224339706.985771850@P2, John
C Klensin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Re: RE: Deja Vu
there to meet in a nice place where many of the attendees would
come and not participate. While it would presumably be
convenient
"Mortonson, Robert W" wrote:
I find this most helpful. If only the ietf would do this for presentations instead
of just html. Then one can put together a reliable collection that is completely
portable for a meeting, conference, work on a plane, anywhere a active internet
connection may
--On Wednesday, 28 March, 2001 10:10 -0800 Dave Crocker
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Continued reliance on invitations and hosts ensure several
problems.
...
If we are serious about trying to optimize the meeting in
terms of cost, reliability and convenience, we need to choose
a standard set of
But, if you're not going to be staying in the conference hotel, you have
more options, and you can book without knowing precisely where the
conference hotel is.
But to do that sanely I want to be within walking distance of a
tube station that's on a direct line to the conference venue, thus
Word works fine for printing RFC's (txt version). However, you may need to decrease
the Top and Bottom margins a little to fit it on one page. To make all pages
identical, you should also add one line at the beginning of the document (page brakes
are interpreted as page brake + new line which
I agreegja
I ask for a bed, which is clean and a shower with hot water. The room needs
to be rather close to a bar. (for working purposes of course). In all other
circumstances, I carry a Leatherman, thus quick repairs and modifications
are not too far fetched. (ie: shower heads that are
At 03:25 PM 3/28/01 -0500, John Stracke wrote:
Actually, I see what John means; for many Americans, London is pretty much an ideal
foreign vacation.
My wife thinks so... but she is really looking forward to Japan.
But she has no plans on becoming being an IETF "tourist". :-)
Kurt
Could we have an idea of how much did a participant spend in Minneapolis ?
I live in Mauritius and I am sure we could find a very good hotel over here
at much lower prices than in Europe or America.
We are bilingual (English and French) so communication will hardly be a
problem.
The weather is
At 10:26 PM 3/28/01 +0400, Baree Sunnyasi wrote:
Could we have an idea of how much did a participant spend in Minneapolis ?
Less the $1000 (excluding transportation and registration).
2/3 of that is hotel (6 nights).
Continued reliance on invitations and hosts ensure several problems.
all of which can be addressed by doubling or tripling meeting fees.
of course, that would create other problems.
not pointing the finger at any one in particular ... but I'm continunally
amazed when competent engineers who
To give Baree and other who didn't attend Minneapolis an idea, the main
hotel (Hilton) has hundreds of rooms and the IETF cost was $129 per night.
Surrounding the main hotel within a short walk are other hotels totalling
over 1500 rooms. In the Minneapolis Hilton we had thousands of square
Keith Moore wrote:
not pointing the finger at any one in particular ... but I'm continunally
amazed when competent engineers who routinely make difficult compromises when
designing computer protocols, are seemingly unable to understand the concept
of compromise regarding meeting
OK, I'll bite:
Kuala Lumpur which we just used for APRICOT 2001. Five-star hotel, the Pan
Pacific $63 per night. Pay $93 and you're on the Executive floor with free
breakfast, etc. The hotel is next to a convention center. Food was very
inexpensive, with the exception of alcohol (Muslim country
Let's see, the price is right, the convention center has plenty of room,
there are loads of hotel rooms nearby. Hmm. Sounds great!
So Ole, Cisco will be hosting an IETF there when?
At 05:41 PM 3/28/2001, Ole J. Jacobsen wrote:
OK, I'll bite:
Kuala Lumpur which we just used for APRICOT 2001.
From: Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IETF Travel Woes (was Deja Vu)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:30:30 -0700
[...]
(BTW, if you want to reproduce the Minneapolis-in-winter
experience in Europe, I highly recommend Brighton in February.)
[...]
Just for the record, the
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Matt Holdrege wrote:
Let's see, the price is right, the convention center has plenty of room,
there are loads of hotel rooms nearby. Hmm. Sounds great!
So Ole, Cisco will be hosting an IETF there when?
That depends entirely on what is meant by "hosting." Events
Just to gild this particularly lily,
Breakfast came with the straight room fee and did not require the upgrade.
The 'budget' limo cost MYR66, which is roughly US$17. The budget cars are
plain and a bit run down, compared with the fancier limos.
Airfare to KL is notably cheaper than to
Dave Crocker writes about Kuala Lumpur:
Just to gild this particularly lily,
[...]
Airfare to KL is notably cheaper than to Singapore and, possibly, Hong Kong.
Food prices in very expensive hotels are not too bad.
Everywhere else they are an absolute steal, and often taste better.
Also of
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