Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Keith Moore
I see your point. But I suspect it illustrates a significant limitation of the SSL/TLS protocol - in that SSL/TLS seems to assume that an IP address and port number are used by only one named service. It's been awhile since I looked at the TLS protocol but I don't recall any way for the

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Matt Crawford
I see your point. But I suspect it illustrates a significant limitation of the SSL/TLS protocol - in that SSL/TLS seems to assume that an IP address and port number are used by only one named service. It's been awhile since I looked at the TLS protocol but I don't recall any way for the

Re: Registration silliness

2003-03-12 Thread Scott W Brim
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 04:39:51PM -0600, Spencer Dawkins allegedly wrote: So I'm wondering why, if we're all individuals at the IETF, Company is a required field on the registration form? I like to use that space to acknowledge the organization who paid for my trip. I've also used it for my

Re: Registration silliness

2003-03-12 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Oh, I'm not being clear enough - I understand why Company APPEARS (distinguish between common names, acknowledge sponsors, etc.). I'm wondering why it's REQUIRED, especially since it seems to gather single-spaces, home town names, and Lumberjack. Spencer --- Scott W Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread John Kristoff
On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:42:00 -0500 John Stracke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the notion of a well known port is a concept whose time has passed. At least for connection oriented protocols, doing away with well known ports might have some good properties for some basic

Re: A charter for the IESG

2003-03-12 Thread shogunx
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 01:16:48 EST, shogunx said: Cant you just type ftp at a unix shell? Or use one of the 3D or X11 ftp clients available for the 3D user interface for linux? 3D? Where? ;) www.3dwm.org AND www.fresco.org Scott /Valdis

.p7s attachment

2003-03-12 Thread Michael
Hi .. I am setting up an exchange server with webshield installed... While setting up the virus scanner, I was recommended (by microsoft) to block .p7s attachments. Since those are certificate files, I am wondering what is the danger, and I'd like to know if anyone here could bring me some

Re: .p7s attachment

2003-03-12 Thread Michael
They never respond to my emails ! ( No I'm not going to place a service call for that ) Michael - Original Message - From: Lars Eggert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: Re: .p7s attachment Michael

Re: .p7s attachment

2003-03-12 Thread Lars Eggert
Michael wrote: Hi .. I am setting up an exchange server with webshield installed... While setting up the virus scanner, I was recommended (by microsoft) to block .p7s attachments. Since those are certificate files, I am wondering what is the danger, and I'd like to know if anyone here could bring

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Doug Royer
Yes, this is true in theory, but I want to know how you're going to get VeriSign to issue you a certificate with subjectAltNames corresponding to a bunch of unrelated domains. And remember that ever time the ISP gets a new customer they have to get a new cert from VeriSign with yet another

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:37:23 MST, Doug Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If you are talking about TLS certs (not S/MIME certs) then the ISP can issue them to the customer directly (be a CA for connections from their customers over TLS connections). I have read that the customer can be given

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Doug Royer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:37:23 MST, Doug Royer [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: If you are talking about TLS certs (not S/MIME certs) then the ISP can issue them to the customer directly (be a CA for connections from their customers over TLS connections). I have read that the

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Matt Crawford
Not quite inherent -- if you verify against a SubjectAltName dNSName you can decide the certificate is valid for many domains. Yes, this is true in theory, but I want to know how you're going to get VeriSign to issue you a certificate with subjectAltNames corresponding to a bunch of

Can we move this discussion to a more appropriate place? (was:Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?)

2003-03-12 Thread Paul Hoffman / IMC
This thread is trying to redefine or redesign SMTP's use of TLS. It should probably be happening on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list instead of the main IETF mailing list. That's where the implementers are, and that's where the implementers of most of the foo-over-TLS protocols are. They too should

Re: Network Working Group

2003-03-12 Thread Donald Eastlake 3rd
Sounds like an argument for having WG/mailing-list info in or near the Authors Address section. Thanks, Donald On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, John Stracke wrote: Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:24:28 -0500 From: John Stracke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Network Working Group

RE: .p7s attachment

2003-03-12 Thread Franck Martin
I think the trouble with this attachment is that the whole e-mail is encrypted in clear (anybody can decrypt) to save space when you send the e-mail (SSL/TLS includes compression). The trouble is that the whole e-mail is encapsulated inside this signed attachment. Therefore your antivirus may not

RE: .p7s attachment

2003-03-12 Thread Stephen Kent
At 9:27 AM +1200 3/13/03, Franck Martin wrote: I think the trouble with this attachment is that the whole e-mail is encrypted in clear (anybody can decrypt) to save space when you send the e-mail (SSL/TLS includes compression). It's not encrypted, it's encoded in a form (base 64) that is unlikely

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Matt Crawford
There's no reason a protocol can't be spec'd to let the client convey the name of the resource before the TLS handshake begins. no, there isn't. but it still wouldn't give the client a way to verify that the server is authoritative for that domain. ironyIf it isn't, your trust in the CA

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Matt Crawford
Not clear. SMTP can relay a single copy of a message to multiple recipients at multiple domains. Your suggestion would force a separate TLS session, or a separate SMTP session, for every distinct recipient domain. Yes, that's true, but that's inherent in the one certificate model.

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Eric Rescorla
Matt Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not clear. SMTP can relay a single copy of a message to multiple recipients at multiple domains. Your suggestion would force a separate TLS session, or a separate SMTP session, for every distinct recipient domain. Yes, that's true, but

RE: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Franck Martin
The whole problem is that nobody sells certificates that can sign other certificates. If verisign gives a signing certificate to the ISP then the system works. If we know who is the sender, then we can actively take action against him outside the net in the real world. Like Caller ID phoning,

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Eric Rescorla
Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I see your point. But I suspect it illustrates a significant limitation of the SSL/TLS protocol - in that SSL/TLS seems to assume that an IP address and port number are used by only one named service. It's been awhile since I looked at the TLS

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Eric Rescorla
Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's true that this is a backward compatibility problem in that STARTTLS as currently defined doesn't actually contain the domain name. As I indicated before, I consider this to be a design error. There wouldn't have been a compatibility problem if