RE: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-ietf-dhc-forcerenew-nonce-03

2012-02-10 Thread Maglione Roberta
Hello Ben, Thanks for reviewing this document. Please see answers inline [RM] Best regards, Roberta -Original Message- From: Ben Campbell [mailto:b...@nostrum.com] Sent: martedì 7 febbraio 2012 0.17 To: draft-ietf-dhc-forcerenew-nonce@tools.ietf.org Cc: gen-...@ietf.org Review

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Chris Donley
On 2/9/12 3:40 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message 6.2.5.6.2.20120209091221.082cb...@resistor.net, SM writes: Hi Chris, At 08:57 AM 2/9/2012, Chris Grundemann wrote: http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2011/final-8 I am aware of the APNIC announcement. That's one out of

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, February 10, 2012 08:47 -0700 Chris Donley c.don...@cablelabs.com wrote: ... Please remember that this draft is in support of ARIN Draft Policy 2011-5. Should this draft become an RFC, and should ARIN pony up the /10, ARIN's staff is likely to look askance at requests for

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:15, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: To follow up on an earlier comment, the rate at which ARIN (or other RIRs) are running out of /10s (or /8s) is probably irrelevant, as are hypotheses about what ARIN staff might do about requests for allocation for CGN use

Furthering discussions about BCP79 sanctions

2012-02-10 Thread Adrian Farrel
There has been some discussion on this list about draft-farrresnickel-ipr-sanctions-00. Thanks for the input. The conversation seems to be partitioned into: - discussion of sanctions and how to apply them - discussion of measures that can be taken to help people to adhere to BCP79 -

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, February 10, 2012 11:22 -0700 Chris Grundemann cgrundem...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:15, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: To follow up on an earlier comment, the rate at which ARIN (or other RIRs) are running out of /10s (or /8s) is probably

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/10/2012 07:47, Chris Donley wrote: Please remember that this draft is in support of ARIN Draft Policy 2011-5. Partially, sure. But RFCs apply to the whole Internet. IMO, an IETF RFC is not the correct place to tell ARIN or other RIRs how to allocate space; I'm not going to parse the

Nomcom 2011-2012: Selection Summary and I* Composition

2012-02-10 Thread NomCom Chair
Hi all, Several people had asked for a summary of the Nomcom selections, and the composition of the I* bodies after the selected persons assume office. Here they are. IESG Selection Summary and Composition === The Nomcom selected the following persons to

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/10/2012 10:22, Chris Grundemann wrote: This is not about IPv4 life-support. Seriously? This is about providing the best answer to a difficult problem. The best answer is to make sure that CPEs that will be doing CGN can handle the same 1918 space inside the user network and at the CGN

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 2012-02-11 11:09, Doug Barton wrote: On 02/10/2012 07:47, Chris Donley wrote: Please remember that this draft is in support of ARIN Draft Policy 2011-5. Partially, sure. But RFCs apply to the whole Internet. Hear hear. IMO, an IETF RFC is not the correct place to tell ARIN or other

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Pete Resnick
On 2/9/12 10:47 PM, Doug Barton wrote: As I (and many others) remain opposed to this entire concept I think it's incredibly unfortunate that the IESG has decided to shift the topic of conversation from whether this should happen to how it should happen. As an AD who is now comfortable

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/10/2012 15:42, Pete Resnick wrote: On 2/9/12 10:47 PM, Doug Barton wrote: As I (and many others) remain opposed to this entire concept I think it's incredibly unfortunate that the IESG has decided to shift the topic of conversation from whether this should happen to how it should

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Chris Grundemann
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 15:13, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: On 02/10/2012 10:22, Chris Grundemann wrote: This is not about IPv4 life-support. Seriously? Seriously. The birth of a shared CGN space in no significant way extends the life of IPv4. It does provide the best possible

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/10/2012 16:12, Chris Grundemann wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 15:13, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: On 02/10/2012 10:22, Chris Grundemann wrote: This is not about IPv4 life-support. Seriously? Seriously. The birth of a shared CGN space in no significant way extends the

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Måns Nilsson
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 05:12:31PM -0700, Chris Grundemann wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 15:13, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: On 02/10/2012 10:22, Chris Grundemann wrote: This is not about IPv4 life-support. Seriously? Seriously. The birth of a shared CGN space in no

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Masataka Ohta
Pete Resnick wrote: and can be used by other people who build sane equipment that understands shared addresses can appear on two different interfaces. With so complicated functionality of NAT today, the only practical approach to build such equipment is to make it a double NAT as:

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Feb 10, 2012 4:25 PM, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 05:12:31PM -0700, Chris Grundemann wrote: On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 15:13, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: On 02/10/2012 10:22, Chris Grundemann wrote: This is not about IPv4 life-support.

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns?= Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org We do not need another reason for people to delay v6 deployment. The last time this issue (CGNAT space) was discussed, we were asked not to open this can of worms. I don't know if that request still holds, but seriously,

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Pete Resnick
On 2/10/12 3:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 02/10/2012 15:42, Pete Resnick wrote: I expect there will be clarifications as per the earlier messages in this thread: This is *not* to be used as additional 1918 space. The following is not meant to be a snark Not taken as such. ...I

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Pete Resnick
On 2/10/12 6:38 PM, Masataka Ohta wrote: Pete Resnick wrote: and can be used by other people who build sane equipment that understands shared addresses can appear on two different interfaces. With so complicated functionality of NAT today, the only practical approach to build such

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Doug Barton
Thanks for your response, mine is below, with snipping. On 02/10/2012 19:19, Pete Resnick wrote: On 2/10/12 3:57 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 02/10/2012 15:42, Pete Resnick wrote: I expect there will be clarifications as per the earlier messages in this thread: This is *not* to be used as

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us My point is that no matter how loudly you say, Don't use this as 1918 space! some users will do it anyway. And if they do, any problem that results is _their_ problem. That means that there is no reason to allocate this new block. No.

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/10/2012 20:04, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us My point is that no matter how loudly you say, Don't use this as 1918 space! some users will do it anyway. And if they do, any problem that results is _their_ problem. You snipped the bit of the

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us You snipped the bit of the my post that you're responding to where I specifically disallowed this as a reasonable argument. What an easy way to win a debate: 'I hereby disallow the following counter-arguments {A, B, C}, and since you have no

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/10/2012 20:44, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us You snipped the bit of the my post that you're responding to where I specifically disallowed this as a reasonable argument. What an easy way to win a debate: 'I hereby disallow the following

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-10 Thread Masataka Ohta
Pete Resnick wrote: and can be used by other people who build sane equipment that understands shared addresses can appear on two different interfaces. With so complicated functionality of NAT today, the only practical approach to build such equipment is to make it a double NAT Correct.

Protocol Action: 'RADIUS Support for Proxy Mobile IPv6' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-netext-radius-pmip6-08.txt)

2012-02-10 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'RADIUS Support for Proxy Mobile IPv6' (draft-ietf-netext-radius-pmip6-08.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Network-Based Mobility Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Jari Arkko and Ralph Droms. A

Nomcom 2011-2012: Selection Summary and I* Composition

2012-02-10 Thread NomCom Chair
Hi all, Several people had asked for a summary of the Nomcom selections, and the composition of the I* bodies after the selected persons assume office. Here they are. IESG Selection Summary and Composition === The Nomcom selected the following persons to

Last Call: draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13.txt (FLUTE - File Delivery over Unidirectional Transport) to Proposed Standard

2012-02-10 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Reliable Multicast Transport WG (rmt) to consider the following document: - 'FLUTE - File Delivery over Unidirectional Transport' draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

IAB solicits candidates for the Internet Society Board of Trustees

2012-02-10 Thread IAB Chair
The Internet Society (ISOC) provides organizational and financial support for the IETF. As part of the arrangements between ISOC and the IETF, the IETF is called upon to name 3 Trustees to its Board (BoT), with staggered 3 year terms. This requires that the IETF select one Trustee each year.