Re: Final Announcement of Qualified Volunteers

2013-07-10 Thread Bob Hinden
Lloyd, On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:23 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: I do recall a case where both chairs of a WG belonged to a Major Organization. World domination was thwarted, however, because the chairs couldn't actually agree on anything; the organization was big enough that competing views

Re: Final Announcement of Qualified Volunteers

2013-07-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 7/10/2013 8:52 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: On Jul 9, 2013, at 5:23 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: I do recall a case where both chairs of a WG belonged to a Major Organization. ... I can think of one company who uses to IETF to have internal arguments. But at the same time, I can think of

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-lisp-deployment-08.txt (LISP Network Element Deployment Considerations) to Informational RFC

2013-07-10 Thread Lori Jakab
It was pointed out to the document authors privately that a locally caching Map Server, as mentioned in the penultimate bullet of Section 2.3, is not something that we should recommend anymore. We, the authors agree, and want to note that the concept of a locally caching Map Server was

IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Paul Aitken
Can you help me understand why the One Day Pass rate ($350) is so high compared with the full week rate ($650 / $800)? Registering for two days could cost more than a week! Surely the day rate should be a little more than (week/5), eg about $175 - $200, to encourage those who only want/need

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread manning bill
you are not allowed to register for two days. /bill On 10July2013Wednesday, at 9:01, Paul Aitken wrote: Can you help me understand why the One Day Pass rate ($350) is so high compared with the full week rate ($650 / $800)? Registering for two days could cost more than a week! Surely

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Donald Eastlake
The IETF values cross area interaction at IETF meeting and attendees have always been encouraged to attend for the week. Allowing one day passes is a recent phenomenon to which some people, including myself, are on balance opposed. Thanks, Donald = Donald E. Eastlake

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Keith Moore
On 07/10/2013 02:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: The IETF values cross area interaction at IETF meeting and attendees have always been encouraged to attend for the week. Allowing one day passes is a recent phenomenon to which some people, including myself, are on balance opposed. I'm also of the

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 7/10/13 1:41 PM, Keith Moore wrote: On 07/10/2013 02:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: The IETF values cross area interaction at IETF meeting and attendees have always been encouraged to attend for the week. Allowing one day passes is a recent phenomenon to which some people, including myself,

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART Telechat review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-09

2013-07-10 Thread Jari Arkko
Peter, Thank you very much for your detailed review. And Murray, thanks for taking into account the comments. FWIW, I plan to ballot No-Objection for this draft based on the Gen-ART review (and my own far less detailed review). Jari

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 11/07/2013 07:44, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 7/10/13 1:41 PM, Keith Moore wrote: On 07/10/2013 02:50 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: The IETF values cross area interaction at IETF meeting and attendees have always been encouraged to attend for the week. Allowing one day passes is a recent

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 14:50 -0400 Donald Eastlake d3e...@gmail.com wrote: The IETF values cross area interaction at IETF meeting and attendees have always been encouraged to attend for the week. Allowing one day passes is a recent phenomenon to which some people, including myself,

RE: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Pat Thaler
As someone who during iSCSI development attended just to attend that group, I didn't find IETF to be single day attendance friendly and I don't think that day passes change that substantially. The main problem is that the final agenda isn't published until a little more than 3 weeks before

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Keith Moore
On 07/10/2013 05:17 PM, Josh Howlett wrote: Day passes have nothing to do with it. I disagree. Day passes encourage the notion that it's normal to parachute into the IETF to attend a single session. I think that the IETF's strength is that we don't totally compartmentalise work items. I am

Re: IAB Statement on Dotless Domains

2013-07-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 7/10/2013 11:59 AM, Russ Housley wrote: The IAB has made a statement on dotless domains. You can find this statement here: http://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence-reports-documents/2013-2/iab-statement-dotless-domains-considered-harmful/ It's unfortunate that the IAB did not choose

Re: Last Call: RFC 2050 to historic

2013-07-10 Thread Bradner, Scott
is there a reason to not disclose who the individual participant is? Scott On Jul 10, 2013, at 5:39 PM, The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual participant to make the following status changes: - RFC2050 from Best Current Practice to

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Hector Santos
On 7/10/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Howlett wrote: Day passes have nothing to do with it. I disagree. Day passes encourage the notion that it's normal to parachute into the IETF to attend a single session. I think that the IETF's strength is that we don't totally compartmentalise work items. I am

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Ole Jacobsen
When we introduced the day passes, part of the discussion revolved around the observation that some number of people (I don't think this has ever been measured) attend for a day or less than a day in order to participate in a specific working group session or even just meet with other people.

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Andy Bierman
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Hector Santos hsan...@isdg.net wrote: On 7/10/2013 5:17 PM, Josh Howlett wrote: Day passes have nothing to do with it. I disagree. Day passes encourage the notion that it's normal to parachute into the IETF to attend a single session. I think that the

Re: IETF registration fee?

2013-07-10 Thread Jari Arkko
First, I wanted to agree with what Pat said: While generally IETF is helped by cross pollination and multi-day attendance is a good thing to encourage, there are times when the work of a particular group is helped by the attendance of some subject matter experts who are only interested in

Re: Last Call: RFC 2050 to historic

2013-07-10 Thread Jari Arkko
Scott, is there a reason to not disclose who the individual participant is? No, but actually that text just came from the standard boilerplate for the last call text in these cases. In reality has been several people asking for this to be done, e.g., SM wrote a document about 2050 and a few

Regarding call Chinese names

2013-07-10 Thread Hui Deng
Hello all We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese people names: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00 Feel free to let us know if you have any other issues? Best regards,

Re: Regarding call Chinese names

2013-07-10 Thread Ida
Sent from my iPad On 2013-07-10, at 8:59 PM, Ida ida_le...@yahoo.com wrote: One comment: I think most of the Chinese women don't change to our husband's last name. So, my husband is not Mr Leung. We love to keep our own last name. ...Ida Sent from my iPad On 2013-07-10, at

Re: Regarding call Chinese names

2013-07-10 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Deng Hui, At 17:04 10-07-2013, Hui Deng wrote: We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese people names: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00 I would like to thank you and your

Re: Regarding call Chinese names

2013-07-10 Thread Hector Santos
On 7/10/2013 8:04 PM, Hui Deng wrote: Hello all We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese people names: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zcao-chinese-pronounce-00 Fantastic. Short and sweet!

Re: Regarding call Chinese names

2013-07-10 Thread Cao,Zhen
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 8:55 AM, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote: Hi Deng Hui, At 17:04 10-07-2013, Hui Deng wrote: We submitted two drafts to help people here to correctly call chinese people names: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00

RE: Regarding call Chinese names

2013-07-10 Thread Will Liu (Shucheng)
A typo in draft-deng-call-chinese-names-00: Jiao4shao4 should be Jiao4shou4. Cheers, Shucheng LIU (Will) From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hui Deng Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:05 AM To: IETF Discussion Subject: Regarding call Chinese names Hello all We

Re: IAB Statement on Dotless Domains

2013-07-10 Thread S Moonesamy
Hello, At 11:59 10-07-2013, Russ Housley wrote: The IAB has made a statement on dotless domains. You can find this statement here: http://www.iab.org/documents/correspondence-reports-documents/2013-2/iab-statement-dotless-domains-considered-harmful/ There was a report from the ICANN the

Protocol Action: 'iSCSI Extensions for RDMA Specification' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-storm-iser-15.txt)

2013-07-10 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'iSCSI Extensions for RDMA Specification' (draft-ietf-storm-iser-15.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the STORage Maintenance Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Martin Stiemerling and Spencer Dawkins. A URL of

Protocol Action: 'The 'acct' URI Scheme' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-06.txt)

2013-07-10 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'The 'acct' URI Scheme' (draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-06.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Applications Area Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Barry Leiba and Pete Resnick. A URL of this Internet Draft is:

Last Call: RFC 2050 to historic

2013-07-10 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual participant to make the following status changes: - RFC2050 from Best Current Practice to Historic The supporting document for this request can be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-2050-to-historic/ The IESG plans to