Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Matt Holdrege
At 03:14 PM 3/20/2001, Phil Karn wrote: > >What's really ironic in your mentioning this (in a deju vu thread) is > >that the Dow first hit and closed above 10,000 when we were here in > >1999. I remember watching for it on (probably) the same sign. > >Gee, you noticed this too, huh? > >As for the

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread a . saha
[ From: Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] [ Date: 12:54 (-0800), Mar 20, 2001 ] > This discussion seems to get rehashed in one form or > another everytime we have a meeting it seems... > > due consideration when hosting the meeting in the US > (or anywhere else) invol

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Mikael Degermark
Guys, I've lived in Lule a substantial part of my life. Moved to Tucson, AZ after a winter with -43 C (about -47 F). I fear we would lose a large fraction of the IETF crowd if we did Lule in January. Seems like the wrong kind of darwinian selection to apply! Micke D At 11:11 PM 3/20/01 +00

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Phil Karn
>What's really ironic in your mentioning this (in a deju vu thread) is >that the Dow first hit and closed above 10,000 when we were here in >1999. I remember watching for it on (probably) the same sign. Gee, you noticed this too, huh? As for the "US-centric" accusations, I have no problem with

Re: switch vs. router

2001-03-20 Thread Stephen Sprunk
"huangjianbo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So many replies, I am reading them. > > Some idea now, but still not very clear. I want the most distinctive ones. "router" is the technical term for any device which forwards data based on Layer 3 information. "bridge" is the technical term for any d

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Patrik Fältström
At 12.50 -0800 01-03-20, Bill Manning wrote: >% >% At 11.14 -0500 01-03-20, John Day wrote: >% >Even with Spring in MN, this is probably still a good idea. Or New >% >Orleans, at least it is warm and centrally located. >% >% Centrally of what? >% >%Patrik -- Stockholm >% > >Lule' in January a

RE: NYTimes.com Article: Manhunt Closes Mall of America

2001-03-20 Thread Frank Solensky
And I thought the last social was rough! -- Frank

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Johnny Eriksson
Bill Manning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lule' in January anyone? Jukkasjärvi. The Ice Hotel. I guess that we can have hotel rooms made on order... > --bill --Johnny

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
This discussion seems to get rehashed in one form or another everytime we have a meeting it seems... due consideration when hosting the meeting in the US (or anywhere else) involves placing it in a location with major international air-routes to the pacific rim and europe (and the US if outside).

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Bill Manning
% % At 11.14 -0500 01-03-20, John Day wrote: % >Even with Spring in MN, this is probably still a good idea. Or New % >Orleans, at least it is warm and centrally located. % % Centrally of what? % %Patrik -- Stockholm % Lule' in January anyone? -- --bill

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
kinda dark... but they already have multicast. joelja On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Bill Manning wrote: > > Lule' in January anyone? > > -- -- Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Academic User Services

NYTimes.com Article: Manhunt Closes Mall of America

2001-03-20 Thread smb
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to would-be script kiddies

2001-03-20 Thread Steve Bellovin
It's considered impolite to port-scan hosts on the IETF net. Mar 20 14:48:25 01/03/20 14:48:25 !i 00 pcp001053pcs.wireless.meeting.ietf.org -> 135.222.64.0 TCP 33061 -> kshell S Mar 20 14:48:25 01/03/20 14:48:25 !i 00 pcp001053pcs.wireless.meeting.ietf.org -> 135.222.64.0

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Ari Huttunen
You are absolutely right, and that's why we should continue this discussion! I'm somewhat bored that I mostly only get to make trips to the US. Most cities look pretty much the same, etc. I'd rather have meetings in a changing continent principle, like I've never been Africa or Asia or Southern Am

Re: how far wireless?

2001-03-20 Thread Rick H Wesson
Rodney, I'm on the 19th floor of the hilton and get < 5% packet loss from inside my room. Its the first time I've had wireless access in my hotel room. I don't know why I'm blessed with it, but is sure is nice. -rick On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Rodney Thayer wrote: > how far does the 802.11 signal r

RE: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread James Binder
Maui, Hawaii is always nice and even lets the Far East get there fairly easily. It is one of the primary reasons the IEEE does Maui ever years or so to allow far east access instead of incurring the cost of Japan. /jsb -Original Message- From: Christopher Ambler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Patrik Fältström
At 11.14 -0500 01-03-20, John Day wrote: >Even with Spring in MN, this is probably still a good idea. Or New >Orleans, at least it is warm and centrally located. Centrally of what? Patrik -- Stockholm

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Leslie Daigle
Lloyd Wood wrote: > Don't call it that. It's officially the area known as 'sub-polar'. > Lots of drafts if you leave the door open just a fraction too - they > get everywhere. Certainly observed to be a feature of MPLS. (122 of them in the current draft repository...) Leslie. -- -

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread John Day
>sorry, but this is a US centric comment. IETF is international, so >centrally located is an interesting question: center of the earth >(probably enough hot...;-))). I'm not so sure. From what I hear from the EU and Pacific Rim countries, the Internet is a US plot intended at further imposing

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Christopher Ambler
From: "Grenville Armitage" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or for equally painful travel for almost everyone, yet > still well IP connected, can't beat Australia :) Please, no, not again. The ICANN meeting in Melbourne was more than enough. I second the Las Vegas idea :-) Christopher

Re: how far wireless?

2001-03-20 Thread Joel Jaeggli
There's a yagi on the third floor pointing at the english pub next to the coffee house... On the 16th floor I actually get reflections off the building across the street from the same yagi... enough to see traffic but not enough to be real usable. joelja On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Rodney Thayer wrote

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Phil" == Phil Karn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Phil> Having to stay at the Marquette hotel 3+ blocks away because, Phil> living on the west coast, I'm at least 50 milli-light-seconds I'm one of the lucky... One thing that people might consider is going more than one to a room.

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Edward Lewis
At 10:10 AM -0500 3/20/01, Phil Karn wrote: >The stockbroker's electronic sign showing the Dow trying to break >10,000. What's really ironic in your mentioning this (in a deju vu thread) is that the Dow first hit and closed above 10,000 when we were here in 1999. I remember watching for it on (p

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Robert G. Ferrell
>Even with Spring in MN, this is probably still a good idea. Or New >Orleans, at least it is warm and centrally located. How about San Antonio? We're a pretty serious convention city, and I'd actually be able to attend a meeting for once. Plus, we have no winter to speak of (although summer

how far wireless?

2001-03-20 Thread Rodney Thayer
how far does the 802.11 signal reach? It doesn't go to the upper floors, but it goes a block down the street to Caribou Coffee.

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Grenville Armitage
John Day wrote: [..] > Or New > Orleans, at least it is warm and centrally located. Or for equally painful travel for almost everyone, yet still well IP connected, can't beat Australia :) cheers, gja

RE: presentation-prep as safety hazard

2001-03-20 Thread Maddux, Michel
-Original Message- From: John Stracke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>(The difference, of course, is that there's no Hearing Aid VII, with a wireless >>connection to let you listen to Web pages or something...yet. The flight >.attendants can't keep up with the tech; and better for them to

Re: switch vs router

2001-03-20 Thread Claudio Isaias Bernal Montalvo
I hope the following lines can help to clarify the point: Layer-2 switching is hardware based,wich means it uses the MAC address from the host´s NIC cards to filter the network. Switches use Application-Specific intergrated Circuits( ASIC´s) to build and maintain filter tables instead of that r

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Danny Iacovou
Phil Karn writes: > The countless eateries in said skyway that (even when the skyway is > open) always seem to be closed whenever you're looking for food. I think the best place to eat in Mpls is at Kypros Restaurant, 14th and Nicollet...right by the convention center. It is Greek/Cypriot fo

Re: presentation-prep as safety hazard

2001-03-20 Thread John Stracke
Dave Crocker wrote: > On the way here, the flight attendant insisted that I turn off my Palm Pilot. > > Do they make people turn off hearing aids? And, if they do, how do they tell them it's OK to turn them back on? :-) (The difference, of course, is that there's no Hearing Aid VII, with a wire

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)
Can we please agree that there is no perfect place to hold the IETF and stop this discussion? Henk On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Marc Blanchet wrote: > At/À 11:14 2001-03-20 -0500, John Day you wrote/vous écriviez: > > > >>The electronic outdoor temperature sign in the skyway reading > >>"39". The u

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Marc Blanchet
At/À 11:14 2001-03-20 -0500, John Day you wrote/vous écriviez: >>The electronic outdoor temperature sign in the skyway reading >>"39". The units aren't mentioned. Kelvins? > >Wow!!! It must be Spring in Minneapolis. I hadn't realized it would be so >warm. Nice that it worked out that way. > >

Re: Mime format

2001-03-20 Thread ned . freed
> > Is the file (which is indicated with Name, Site parameters) present in the > > mail ? Who executed ftp command, is man who send the mail or man who received it > > ? > It is a set of parameters created by the *sender* of the mail, that tell the > *recipient* "here - run FTP like *THIS* t

article on present Bluetooth interoperability issues..

2001-03-20 Thread Jeff . Hodges
..and an example of the tension between the "necessity of getting it out in the market" and "getting it 'fully baked'". Bluetooth Devices Unable to Communicate with Each Other: Solution Unlikely to Appear Within 2001 http://www.nikkeibp.asiabiztech.com/wcs/frm/leaf?CID=onair/asabt/fw/125958 J

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
> Even with Spring in MN, this is probably still a good idea. Or New > Orleans, at least it is warm and centrally located. Central to population is probably somewhere in Asia. Do I need to write an informational RFC documenting how the USA is not the centre of the universe, let alone the Intern

Re: Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread John Day
> > >The electronic outdoor temperature sign in the skyway reading >"39". The units aren't mentioned. Kelvins? Wow!!! It must be Spring in Minneapolis. I hadn't realized it would be so warm. Nice that it worked out that way. > >The stockbroker's electronic sign showing the Dow trying to break

Re: Mime format

2001-03-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:58:48 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Is the file (which is indicated with Name, Site parameters) present in the > mail ? Who executed ftp command, is man who send the mail or man who received it > ? It is a set of parameters created by the *sender* of the mail, that

Mime format

2001-03-20 Thread lionel_gauliardon
Sir, I am working on a new prg to analyze mails that were "encoded" in Mime format and have two questions about this one. Well ... the first : In the case of Message Media Type, External-Body Subtype I don't understand very well ftp, tftp and anon-ftp access types. Is the file (which i

Deja Vu

2001-03-20 Thread Phil Karn
Well, here I am at the Minneapolis IETF. And I'm overwhelmed by a sense of deja vu. Having to stay at the Marquette hotel 3+ blocks away because, living on the west coast, I'm at least 50 milli-light-seconds farther away than most of the people contending for the token number of on-site hotel roo

RE: presentation-prep as safety hazard

2001-03-20 Thread Linn, John
I feared it was some sort of omen on Sunday evening when I arrived at the Minneapolis airport and found one of the departure gate monitors superimposed with a Windows error pop-up saying "Windows has detected an IP addressing conflict". It didn't seem clear who'd be in a position to click "OK"...

Re: Establishment of Temporary Sub-IP Area

2001-03-20 Thread Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim
Fred Baker wrote: > There has been some concern over the scope of the IETF sub-IP effort. This > is an attempt to help clarify the view of the IESG on a number of issues. > Suggestion: I believe that this (type of) message should be copied to the ietf-announce list. regards, -- Rahmat M

Router hardware design guide, where i can get help??

2001-03-20 Thread saravanan cisco
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RE: switch vs. router

2001-03-20 Thread huangjianbo
Dear Mr. Yao, So many replies, I am reading them. Some idea now, but still not very clear. I want the most distinctive ones. Concluded from these mail, one most attractive is the router decrease TTL, while switch not. And some are talking about progagation of the broadcast. I need further thi