Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-09 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Franck == Franck Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How would replacing ICANN (or the IETF) with the ITU make things any less unilateral? As I see it, all that it would accomplish is that it would give governments and corporations a more

Re: ITU takes over?

2003-12-09 Thread Einar Stefferud
At this time on this date, I cannot get a connection to http://www.isoc.org. Have you ever gotten this connection? Can you get it now? Merry Christmas to all at your house;-)...\Stef At 16:50 -0800 12/8/03, Ole J. Jacobsen wrote: See http://www.isoc.org/ Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and

Re[2]: ITU takes over?

2003-12-09 Thread Anthony G. Atkielski
Einar Stefferud writes: At this time on this date, I cannot get a connection to http://www.isoc.org. Have you ever gotten this connection? It worked fine for me just now.

Re: ITU takes over?

2003-12-09 Thread jfcm
Dear Vint, You may guess that I am deeply involved in that prepartory issues and I probably can help with some (I will try) unbiased understandings (I am sorry if this hurts some) of what happens, focusing on ICANN and IETF. At 00:36 09/12/03, vinton g. cerf wrote: Content-Transfer-Encoding:

Re: ITU takes over?

2003-12-09 Thread shogunx
On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 05:37:18 EST, shogunx said: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, vinton g. cerf wrote: at the moment it is not well constituted to develop policy. No, but it well constituented to be. Is it only necessary that it be reconstituted.

Re: Worst case question I guess

2003-12-09 Thread Dan Kolis
Maybe its like the saying when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The global funds transfer system (SWIFT) used for transferring billions of dollars an hour had a security scare and fell back to an almost manual system for a few days. It worked fine functionally (slightly

Re: ITU takes over?

2003-12-09 Thread Masataka Ohta
Vint; Unfortunately, the discussion has tended to center on ICANN as the only really visible example of an organization attempting to develop policy (which is being treated as synonymous with governance). To be practical, considering that ICANN never acted as the authority of the Internet

Re: Worst case question I guess

2003-12-09 Thread jfcm
At 15:46 09/12/03, Dan Kolis wrote: When polititians find out they can squelch opinion by something as simple as a court order to delete a DNS entry, it won't take a week before instances of it are common. The only reason they haven't is they don't understand technology enough to know exactly how

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-09 Thread jfcm
At 21:24 08/12/03, Bill Manning wrote: % Either we need the root system and it must match the basic surety rules for % a critical infrastructure, or we just want to keep the fossil concept the % way it was designed 20 years ago. Why do you think this is an either/or proposition? This thread

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-09 Thread Bill Manning
% On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Bill Manning wrote: % % % Or more simply, may be kill the real time root servers concept and review % % the DNS as a non God centralized system? If there was nothing to protect % % because there would be nothing, we would risk far less from there. % % Been there,

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-09 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Bill Manning wrote: % Or more simply, may be kill the real time root servers concept and review % the DNS as a non God centralized system? If there was nothing to protect % because there would be nothing, we would risk far less from there. Been there, done that.

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-09 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - From: Dean Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Randy Presuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Re: just a brief note about anycast ... Well, they think we are the chauvenists of

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-09 Thread Dean Anderson
On 9 Dec 2003, Franck Martin wrote: On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 15:15, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - How would replacing ICANN (or the IETF) with the ITU make things any less unilateral? As I see it, all that it would accomplish is that it would give governments and corporations a more

Re: just a brief note about anycast

2003-12-09 Thread Franck Martin
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 08:26, Dean Anderson wrote: On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Randy Presuhn wrote: Hi - From: Dean Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Randy Presuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:50 PM Subject: Re: just a brief note about anycast

[Fwd: TAG announces Last Call review of Architecture Document]

2003-12-09 Thread Michael Mealling
Last Call Working Draft. The document is available at: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-webarch-20031209/ Review end date: 5 March 2004 Mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (archive [2]) The TAG has scheduled an extended Last Call review period so that groups inside and outside of W3C have