RE : WG Review: Routing Area Working Group (rtgwg)

2004-02-18 Thread PROUST Christophe FTRD/DMI/CAE
Dear Members of the IESG, I read the announcement you made yesterday and I felt deeply called to it. I have very recently released an initial Internet-Draft http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-proust-flow-routing-00.txt that deals with some form of

Re: Continuing the story - another stab at an IETF mission statement

2004-02-18 Thread Tom Petch
I find your definition of the Internet delightfully ambiguous. I was taught that the Internet (as opposed to an internet or the internet) was the public network accessible through public IPv4 addresses (this predates IPv6) ie the Internet ceased at a firewall or other such IP level gateway.

Re: Continuing the story - another stab at an IETF mission statement

2004-02-18 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 18. februar 2004 18:06 + Tom Petch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find your definition of the Internet delightfully ambiguous. I was taught that the Internet (as opposed to an internet or the internet) was the public network accessible through public IPv4 addresses (this predates IPv6)

Someone's not getting their email.....

2004-02-18 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
I got the following stuff in response to a mail I sent to the IETF list. Since I have no idea whether this is an email harvester or a legitimate antispam tool (the form gave no indication, and no links to more information about its owner), I don't have enough information to decide reliably to

Re: Continuing the story - another stab at an IETF mission statement

2004-02-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18 Feb 2004, at 13:06, Tom Petch wrote: I find your definition of the Internet delightfully ambiguous. I was taught that the Internet (as opposed to an internet or the internet) was the public network accessible through public IPv4 addresses (this predates IPv6) ie the Internet ceased at a

RE: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Tony Hain
So if you had received the mail sent here yesterday claiming to be from Alain Durand would you block Sun or IBM? I am sure Alain did not send a random executable file to a non-existent account. It appears someone figured out he had responded to me on this list in the past, and plenty of times

Re: Someone's not getting their email.....

2004-02-18 Thread Richard Welty
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:43:15 -0800 Harald Tveit Alvestrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got the following stuff in response to a mail I sent to the IETF list. Since I have no idea whether this is an email harvester or a legitimate antispam tool (the form gave no indication, and no links to

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Dave Crocker
Tony, TH a legitimate message from someone I have corresponded with in the past. The TH only way to detect a fraud at the MUA would be to have a verifiable TH signature from Alain (this was trapped at my MTA due to the exe file). yes, but no. first, there is an increasingly heated debate

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Vernon Schryver wrote: Thn enclosed example of how not to filter spam is offered for those who might want to preemptively add accuspam.com or downloadfast.com to their blacklists. It is also a classic example of what is wrong with the MUA filtering tactics Robert Brown

Re: Someone's not getting their email.....

2004-02-18 Thread Nathaniel Borenstein
On Feb 18, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Richard Welty wrote: i have run internet mailing lists since about 1985. when the first C/R systems showed up a few years ago, i arrived at simple conclusion very quickly. anybody who installs a C/R system and doesn't whitelist the mailing lists they subscribe to

RE: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Tony Hain To: 'Vernon Schryver' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] So if you had received the mail sent here yesterday claiming to be from Alain Durand would you block Sun or IBM? ... I should not have responded specifically (if at all) to the other gentleman's complaint about my

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Dean Anderson
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Dave Crocker wrote: Tony, TH a legitimate message from someone I have corresponded with in the past. The TH only way to detect a fraud at the MUA would be to have a verifiable TH signature from Alain (this was trapped at my MTA due to the exe file). yes, but no.

RE: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Tony Hain
Dave Crocker wrote: Tony, TH a legitimate message from someone I have corresponded with in the past. The TH only way to detect a fraud at the MUA would be to have a verifiable TH signature from Alain (this was trapped at my MTA due to the exe file). yes, but no. first, there is an

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Dave Crocker
Tony, first, there is an increasingly heated debate between folks who want to sign the message (TEOS, DomainKeys), versus others who want to secure the channel between sender and receiver (RMX, LMAP, SPF, etc.). TH Is there an obvious reason not to do both? Cost of effort. Distraction of

RE: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Vernon Schryver wrote: ] From: Robert G. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] ... ] In the department, where we do USE spam assassin, no bounce messages are ] generated except when mail fails for one of the standard reasons ] unrelated to filtering of any sort. ... On today's

Re: covert channel and noise -- was Re: proposal ...

2004-02-18 Thread Ed Gerck
Dean Anderson wrote: A covert or sneaky channel is merely one in which the communication is //not authorized by the security model// It has nothing to do with readability or detectability. To be useful for its covert purposes, a covert channel should not be easily detectable as a covert

Re: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Michael Richardson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Dave == Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave first, there is an increasingly heated debate between folks who Dave want to sign the message (TEOS, DomainKeys), versus others who want Dave to secure the channel between sender and receiver

RE: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Robert G. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... If a message comes in incorrectly addressed, yes, it will bounce. It should, shouldn't it? This has nothing to do with whether or not it is spam or a virus or any other kind of message. If it is a bad thing, it is a very fundamental bad

RE: How Not To Filter Spam

2004-02-18 Thread Dean Anderson
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Vernon Schryver wrote: From: Tony Hain To: 'Vernon Schryver' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] So if you had received the mail sent here yesterday claiming to be from Alain Durand would you block Sun or IBM? ... I should not have responded specifically (if

Re: 59th IETF - FINAL AGENDA

2004-02-18 Thread Lars Eggert
Hi, FYI, I've made an ical version of the agenda available at http://www.icalx.com/public/larse/IETF-59.ics. Apple iCal users can directly subscribe at webcal://www.icalx.com/public/larse/IETF-59.ics. I hear this may work with Mozilla as well, but I have no firsthand experience with that. (A perl