Re: Objection to Last Call - draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-09.txt

2008-03-19 Thread Frank Ellermann
Charles Lindsey wrote: fixing the problem I shall describe would have repercussions in draft-ietf-eai-smtpext-11.txt [EAI-SMTP-extension] and in draft-ietf-eai-dsn-06.txt [EAI-dsn] (especially the latter), it should be construed as a formal objection to those as well. [procedural

Re: Objection to Last Call - draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-09.txt

2008-03-19 Thread Frank Ellermann
Apologies, I confused (1) and (2): [...] 1 - The use of a nested CTE B64 if all else fails to send DSNs to an EAI sender with a 7bit bit hop on the route. 2 - The use of UTF-8 in MIME version 1.0 part headers, this can require to parse the MIME structure of a message to figure

Re: IETF Trust minutes?

2008-03-19 Thread Simon Josefsson
Marshall Eubanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [2] On Feb 19, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Simon Josefsson wrote: According to the trust administrative procedures: http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/Trust_Procedures_12-15-2005.pdf the trustees should hold at least three meetings per year, and shall appoint a

Re: On the confidentiality of the information and communication within the nomcom context

2008-03-19 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Dave Crocker wrote: Michael StJohns wrote: At 10:46 PM 3/17/2008, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: *The names of people nominated should be made public. *The names of the people who agreed to serve if selected should be kept secret. +1 Open enough to get feedback, but kind to

Re: experiments in the ietf week

2008-03-19 Thread Mark Andrews
At Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:44:12 +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 16 mrt 2008, at 2:16, Mark Andrews wrote: Enable DNSSEC validation on the network's servers. At a minimum make them DNSSEC transparent. Is there any software out there for common OSes that does

Re: experiments in the ietf week

2008-03-19 Thread Eric Rescorla
At Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:59:52 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: At Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:44:12 +0100, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 16 mrt 2008, at 2:16, Mark Andrews wrote: Enable DNSSEC validation on the network's servers. At a minimum make them DNSSEC

Re: IETF Last Call on Walled Garden Standard for the Internet

2008-03-19 Thread Yoshihiro Ohba
I think Vidya has a good point. My opinion is that, bootstrapping protocols from long-term credentials used for network access authentication is not such a bad idea, but we just do not know yet the best way to realize it:

Re: Last Call: draft-freed-sieve-environment (Sieve Email Filtering: Environment Extension) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-19 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Ned Freed wrote: Not really. The information environment supplies is, as the name implies, about the environment things are operating in. This includes information about the Sieve interpreter, the host it is running on, and the network. The last item includes connection

Re: experiments in the ietf week

2008-03-19 Thread Jari Arkko
Eric, I was referring to Iljitsch's suggestion about SSL and IPsec, not the suggestion about DNSSEC. Yes. FWIW, I don't think that would be interesting. DNSSEC experiments by itself might be interesting, particularly if they could be combined with some movement in getting the root signed.

Re: experiments in the ietf week

2008-03-19 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi Jari, we have already started todo the same with other protocols in GEOPRIV. See http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/msg05453.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/msg05468.html http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/msg05472.html Ciao Hannes

Re: Last Call: draft-freed-sieve-environment (Sieve Email Filtering: Environment Extension) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-19 Thread Alexey Melnikov
Speaking as an individual: Ned Freed wrote: [...] Now, there are several ways this could be handled, and I'm open to suggestions as to which one makes the most sense. We could: (1) Have the imap-sieve document update the environment specification with an additional evaluation-agent value.

Re: Last Call: draft-wu-sava-testbed-experience (SAVA Testbed and Experiences to Date) to Experimental RFC

2008-03-19 Thread Jari Arkko
Just FYI, this draft is being AD sponsored as a report of a research effort that certain people have done in the source address validation space. To quote my ballot explanation: This draft documents an experimental design implemented in a research network for source address validation. The

Re: Confirming vs. second-guessing

2008-03-19 Thread Russ Housley
The archives of the NomCom WG that generated RFC 3777 are now online: http://lists.elistx.com/archives/ietf-nomcom/ ___ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

EMSK key hierarchy and the DSRK

2008-03-19 Thread Dan Harkins
Hello, My apologies for being obtuse. This Mother of All Root Keys I've been describing is what the EMSK Key Hierarchy calls the DSRK. The HOKEY key that the ERP/ERX draft uses can be derived in one of two ways: EMSK | USRK-- the HOKEY key, aka rRK or like this:

Re: EMSK key hierarchy and the DSRK

2008-03-19 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
The DSRK can be scoped just as the EMSK can be scoped. regards, Lakshminath On 3/19/2008 9:45 AM, Dan Harkins wrote: Hello, My apologies for being obtuse. This Mother of All Root Keys I've been describing is what the EMSK Key Hierarchy calls the DSRK. The HOKEY key that the ERP/ERX

Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-19 Thread Dave Crocker
G'day, The current discussion about Nomcom activities has been sufficiently professional and constructive in tone to prompt me to raise a particularly delicate point: Just how realistic is our belief in confidentiality for the process? It will be trivial to turn my query into an

Re: EMSK key hierarchy and the DSRK

2008-03-19 Thread Dan Harkins
On Wed, March 19, 2008 9:53 am, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: The DSRK can be scoped just as the EMSK can be scoped. Really? Is there any context that it can be bound to? Furthermore, what is the _purpose_ of this key? Why would someone choose to derive a DSRK or choose not to derive a DSRK

Who wants old WG archives?

2008-03-19 Thread Edward Lewis
I found that I have a (probably complete) copy of the archives of the DNSSEC WG (http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/OLD/dnssec-charter.html). (Where) does the IETF want them? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Edward Lewis

RE: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-19 Thread Eric Gray
Dave, I think I disagree with you on several of the details in your discussion without necessarily disagreeing with where you are going with it. First of all, I think that the realistic view of the possibility of something leaking is enough to ensure that people do not make

Re: experiments in the ietf week

2008-03-19 Thread Jari Arkko
Yes, that's excellent. In particular, I like your approach of making things available for the IETF crowd, delivered by the folks who are also delivering the standards. Jari ___ IETF mailing list IETF@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Last Call: draft-freed-sieve-environment (Sieve Email Filtering: Environment Extension) to Proposed Standard

2008-03-19 Thread Ned Freed
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008, Ned Freed wrote: Not really. The information environment supplies is, as the name implies, about the environment things are operating in. This includes information about the Sieve interpreter, the host it is running on, and the network. The last item includes

Re: Objection to Last Call - draft-ietf-eai-utf8headers-09.txt

2008-03-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Hi Charles, On a procedural point: On 2008-03-19 04:13, Charles Lindsey wrote: But RFC2045 is a Draft Standard, and it is entirely outside the remit of the EAI WG to attempt to change what is in a Draft Standard. This draft does lack a couple of headers: Updates: 2045 (if approved)

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-19 Thread Lakshminath Dondeti
On 3/19/2008 11:12 AM, Eric Gray wrote: Dave, I think I disagree with you on several of the details in your discussion without necessarily disagreeing with where you are going with it. First of all, I think that the realistic view of the possibility of something leaking is

Re: Last Call: draft-funk-eap-ttls-v0 (EAP Tunneled TLS Authentication Protocol Version 0 (EAP-TTLSv0)) to Informational RFC

2008-03-19 Thread Jari Arkko
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'EAP Tunneled TLS Authentication Protocol Version 0 (EAP-TTLSv0) ' draft-funk-eap-ttls-v0-04.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Re: Nomcom process realities of confidentiality

2008-03-19 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:11:09AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: Add to this the fact that a) we have no detailed rules for confidentiality but rather treat the word as having implicit-but-total effect on behavior, b) we have no enforcement powers over violations, and c) Nomcom members, IAB

Last Call: draft-wu-sava-testbed-experience (SAVA Testbed and Experiences to Date) to Experimental RFC

2008-03-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'SAVA Testbed and Experiences to Date ' draft-wu-sava-testbed-experience-04.txt as an Experimental RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on

Document Action: 'Mobile IPv6 Fast Handovers over IEEE 802.16e Networks' to Informational RFC

2008-03-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Mobile IPv6 Fast Handovers over IEEE 802.16e Networks ' draft-ietf-mipshop-fh80216e-07.txt as an Informational RFC This document is the product of the Mobility for IP: Performance, Signaling and Handoff Optimization Working Group. The IESG

Last Call: draft-ietf-ipr-outbound-rights (Advice to the Trustees of the IETF Trust on Rights to be Granted in IETF Documents) to Informational RFC

2008-03-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Intellectual Property Rights WG (ipr) to consider the following document: - 'Advice to the Trustees of the IETF Trust on Rights to be Granted in IETF Documents ' draft-ietf-ipr-outbound-rights-06.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a