RE: IPv6 Advanced Socket API and POSIX

2011-07-25 Thread Samita Chakrabarti
In addition, RFC 5014 (IPv6 Socket API for source address selection) would be useful to include into the next POSIX revision. This document allows applications to choose a source address when default source address selection is in place at the IP stack. Thanks, -Samita -Original Message--

Re: DKIM Signatures now being applied to IETF Email

2011-07-25 Thread Hector Santos
But the original destroyed signature from the author is not stripped. Authentication-Results: dkim.winserver.com; dkim=pass header.d=ietf.org header.s=ietf1 header.i=ietf.org; adsp=fail policy=all author.d=isdg.net asl.d=ietf.org (unauthorized signer); dkim=fail (DKIM_SIGNATURE_BAD) header.d=

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
Hello, I am not an expert in the questions of 6to4, but unless there are strong arguments claiming that this technology is not used any more, reclassification isn't appropriate. Discouraging implementation/use of the protocol is not a purpose of Historic, it is to mark what already no-one us

Re: DKIM Signatures now being applied to IETF Email

2011-07-25 Thread Hector Santos
Cool beans. Message as verified here. The good thing is that it finally resolved the corruption of distributed original signed mail on the ietf list server with its extra line at the top! Glen wrote: All - I am very pleased to report that the IETF is now applying DKIM signatures to all outg

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Mykyta Yevstifeyev
26.07.2011 1:05, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Ronald Bonica > While it clarifies the meaning of "HISTORIC" in this particular case, it > does not set a precedent for any future case. In other words, this document is doing something with "HISTORIC" that isn't the normal, this is

IPv6 Advanced Socket API and POSIX

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Andrews
Could the IESG please negotiate with Opengroup to get the IPv6 Advanced Socket API included into the next POSIX revision. RFC 2133 "Basic Socket Interface Extensions for IPv6" (now RFC 2553) and RFC 2292 "IPv6 Advanced Socket API" (now RFC 3542) were designed to work together as a single API. PO

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Randy Presuhn
Hi - > From: "Noel Chiappa" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:05 PM > Subject: Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again) ... > I think we should only mark things as HISTORIC as a recognition of _what has > already happened_ out in the world, not as an attempt to _make somethin

RE: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Michel Py
Brian, > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > To be clear, I'd like to see exact proposed text before > expressing support for the proposal. The trick is to get > 6to4 disabled by default at the user end, without disabling > it for users who are getting good service from it. Although I commend Ron from try

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Brian E Carpenter
To be clear, I'd like to see exact proposed text before expressing support for the proposal. The trick is to get 6to4 disabled by default at the user end, without disabling it for users who are getting good service from it. Regards Brian On 2011-07-26 09:49, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >> Likewi

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Ted Faber
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 06:05:12PM -0400, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Ronald Bonica > > > draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic will obsolete RFCs 3056 and 3068 and > > convert their status to HISTORIC. > > I think we should only mark things as HISTORIC as a recognition of _what has >

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Cameron Byrne
I approve of this approach. ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <22f6318e46e26b498abc828879b08d4f1d2...@tk5ex14mbxw651.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com>, Christian Huitema writes : > > After some discussion, the IESG is attempting to determine whether there is > > IETF consensus to do the following: > > > > - add a new section to draft-ietf

RE: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Christian Huitema
> After some discussion, the IESG is attempting to determine whether there is > IETF consensus to do the following: > > - add a new section to draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic > - publish draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic as INFORMATIONAL > > draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic will obsolete RFCs 3

Re: [hybi] Last Call: (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-25 Thread Masataka Ohta
Willy Tarreau wrote: > What are you saying ? Your browser embeds the resolved as a library, so when > I'm saying that "the browser has to retry", I mean the resolver part of the > browser has to retry. You should mean that the browser can control behavior of the resolver. If the resolver in the

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Martin Rex
Ronald Bonica wrote: > > draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic will obsolete RFCs 3056 and 3068 and > convert their status to HISTORIC. It will also contain a new section > describing what it means for RFCs 3056 and 3068 to be classified > as HISTORIC. I'm strongly opposed. Discussion is in the arch

Re: [hybi] Last Call: (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20110725045821.gn22...@1wt.eu>, Willy Tarreau writes: > On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 03:49:33PM -1000, David Conrad wrote: > > [I haven't been following hybi and haven't read the draft, but as > > this is posted to the ietf list and there are a bunch of assertions > > here about the DNS I c

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread John Leslie
Ronald Bonica wrote: > > After some discussion, the IESG is attempting to determine whether > there is IETF consensus to do the following: > > - add a new section to draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic > - publish draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic as INFORMATIONAL Clearly, this is an honest ef

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Noel Chiappa
> From: Ronald Bonica > draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic will obsolete RFCs 3056 and 3068 and > convert their status to HISTORIC. I think we should only mark things as HISTORIC as a recognition of _what has already happened_ out in the world, not as an attempt to _make something ha

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Brian E Carpenter
> Likewise, operators will decide whether/when 6-to-4 relays will be removed > from their networks. This is, of course, an undeniable statement of fact (as it is for any other feature of the Internet). However, it needs to be made clear that doing so *prematurely* would penalise existing succes

MILE side meeting, IETF81 in Quebec, Monday night July 25th

2011-07-25 Thread Brian Trammell
Greetings, For those interested in the MILE side meeting, it will take place right after the plenary, 19:30, in room 301A. Best regards, Brian Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: July 25, 2011 12:03:01 PM EDT > To: , , , > > Subject: RE: [mile] MILE side meeting, IETF81 in Quebec, Mon

Reminder: Remote Participation Support for Plenary by Meetecho

2011-07-25 Thread Alexa Morris
If you are participating in IETF 81 from outside of Quebec City, this is a reminder that Meetecho is providing remote participation support for both the technical and administrative plenaries. You can find more information online at http://www.ietf.org/meeting/81/remote-participation.html

RE: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Michel Py
> Ronald Bonica wrote: > After some discussion, the IESG is attempting to determine whether > there is IETF consensus to do the following: > - add a new section to draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic > - publish draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic as INFORMATIONAL Opposed. I will pass on details, as I

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Ole Troan
I'm in favor of the proposed action and the clarification of historic, suggested in the new section. (I could be in _strong_ favour to nullify Keith's 'vote', although I hope we're not counting. ;-)), . cheers, Ole On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:30 , Ronald Bonica wrote: > Folks, > > After some discu

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Michael Richardson
> "Keith" == Keith Moore writes: Keith> I remain strongly opposed to reclassifying 6to4 as Historic Keith> unless/until a better alternative appears. Putting an Keith> explanation inside an informational document doesn't change Keith> that opposition. +1 I note that multicas

Re: DKIM Signatures now being applied to IETF Email

2011-07-25 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 7/25/2011 1:17 PM, Glen wrote: I am very pleased to report that the IETF is now applying DKIM signatures to all outgoing list email from mailman. I'll be presumptuous and speak on behalf of the DKIM operations community, rather than just myself: Cool! Thanks. d/ -- Dave Crocker

DKIM Signatures now being applied to IETF Email

2011-07-25 Thread Glen
All - I am very pleased to report that the IETF is now applying DKIM signatures to all outgoing list email from mailman. Many thanks to Murray Kucherawy, lead author of OpenDKIM, for doing the work to set up OpenDKIM on the IETF servers and getting it to work. He made the process painless, and w

Re: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Keith Moore
I remain strongly opposed to reclassifying 6to4 as Historic unless/until a better alternative appears. Putting an explanation inside an informational document doesn't change that opposition. I also continue to believe that the -historic draft has too many misstatements and misleading statement

draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic (yet again)

2011-07-25 Thread Ronald Bonica
Folks, After some discussion, the IESG is attempting to determine whether there is IETF consensus to do the following: - add a new section to draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic - publish draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic as INFORMATIONAL draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic will obsolete RFCs 3056

Re: [hybi] Last Call: (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-25 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:12:46AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > But, do current webbrosers resolve names using anything but DNS A? > > > (well, I know that they use /etc/hosts). Anyhow, WINS / NIS /etc/hosts > > > and such stuff just maps a hostname into a single IP. It's the > > > equivalent o

Re: [hybi] Last Call: (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-25 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 03:49:33PM -1000, David Conrad wrote: > [I haven't been following hybi and haven't read the draft, but as this is > posted to the ietf list and there are a bunch of assertions here about the > DNS I consider ... odd, I thought I'd chime in] > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:59 AM

Re: [hybi] Last Call: (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-25 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 02:50:37PM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message <20110725042921.gj22...@1wt.eu>, Willy Tarreau writes: > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:46:58AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > Adding a SRV lookup should add 0ms if it isn't there as you should be > > > making A, and

Re: [hybi] Last Call: (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-25 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:46:58AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > Adding a SRV lookup should add 0ms if it isn't there as you should be > making A, and SRV lookups in parallel. This does not work for a simple reason : you have to perform the lookups on the SRV response just as you would do with

Re: [hybi] Last Call: (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-25 Thread John Tamplin
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: > Adding a SRV lookup should add 0ms if it isn't there as you should be > making A, and SRV lookups in parallel. Non-existance is as > cachable as existance is. > But you have to wait until the SRV returns even if the A/ response com

Re: Gen-ART last call review of draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10

2011-07-25 Thread Greg Wilkins
On 25 July 2011 05:11, Richard L. Barnes wrote: > It seems like this gets you around the threat that masking is supposed to > address -- the proxy won't see anything mid-stream that looks like HTTP, > since it's just acting as a tunnel at that point.  It's a little weird to use > CONNECT end-to

reminder: itojun service award nomination

2011-07-25 Thread Jun Murai
Dear IETFers, There was one case on the nomination process where we did not receive a submitted nomination. Therefore, we decided to extend nomination time until July 31st. If you have not received confirmation for the past nomination, please resubmit it (until you get confirmation!) please! Th