Re: Gen-ART Combined Last Call and Telechat Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-rfc1948bis-01

2011-12-08 Thread Fernando Gont
Hi, Ben, Thanks so much for your review! (and my appologies for the delay in my response). PLease find my comments inline... On 11/01/2011 04:55 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: Minor issues: -- section 3, paragraph after ISN formula: It is vital that F not be computable… If it's vital for

Re: Consensus Call (Update): draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-12-08 Thread Daryl Tanner
Hi Ron On 3 December 2011 22:06, Ronald Bonica rbon...@juniper.net wrote: Folks, On Thursday, December 1, the IESG deferred its decision regarding draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request to the December 15 telechat. The decision was deferred because: - it is difficult. (We are choosing

Re: Consensus Call (Update): draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-12-08 Thread Ray Bellis
On 5 Dec 2011, at 18:08, Noel Chiappa wrote: I hear you. However, after thinking about it for a while, I still think we ought to include a chunk of 240/ space _as well as_ some 'general use' space (be it a /10 of that, or whatever). +1 Ray ___

Re: [IETF] Travel/Attendees list FAQ

2011-12-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Actually, I meant wiki according to its classic, collaborative meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki What you folks are describing is a web page, not really a wiki. Exactly, and that is appropriate for something whose primary target

Re: [IETF] Travel/Attendees list FAQ

2011-12-08 Thread David Morris
On Thu, 8 Dec 2011, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Actually, I meant wiki according to its classic, collaborative meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki What you folks are describing is a web page, not really a wiki. Exactly, and that

Re: [IETF] Travel/Attendees list FAQ

2011-12-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Dec 8, 2011, at 8:31 AM, David Morris wrote: On Thu, 8 Dec 2011, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Actually, I meant wiki according to its classic, collaborative meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki What you folks are describing is a

Re: [IETF] Re: [IETF] Travel/Attendees list FAQ

2011-12-08 Thread Warren Kumari
On Dec 8, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Actually, I meant wiki according to its classic, collaborative meaning: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki What you folks are describing is a web page, not really a wiki. Exactly, and

Re: [IETF] Travel/Attendees list FAQ

2011-12-08 Thread David Morris
On Thu, 8 Dec 2011, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Dec 8, 2011, at 8:31 AM, David Morris wrote: On Thu, 8 Dec 2011, Paul Hoffman wrote: On Dec 7, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Actually, I meant wiki according to its classic, collaborative meaning:

Re: Consensus Call (Update): draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-12-08 Thread Chris Donley
I don't want to go too far down this road, as it touches sensitive network architecture issues, but I think you're thinking of this in terms of a box. Please think, instead, of a regional network with failover capabilities and widely distributed customers.The aggregate need is (at least) a

Re: [IETF] Travel/Attendees list FAQ

2011-12-08 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 12/8/2011 8:00 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: A collaborative page can easily go sideways with contributors who don't understand the parameters of what is meant to be there In the IETF? Folks can misunderstand or getting carried away or both? tsk, tsk. But seriously, my general impression is

Re: Last Call: draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps-11.txt (DKIM Authorized Third-Party Signers) to Experimental RFC

2011-12-08 Thread Douglas Otis
I support adoption of dkim-atps as an experimental RFC. It would have been clearer to use the term Author-Domain rather than Author. Clearly, it is not the Author offering Authorization. -Doug ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Russ Housley
Errata 2684 was entered against RFC 5226, Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs. After discussion with one of the RFC authors and IANA staff, I rejected the errata. The errata author is saying that in many registries, there are no unreserved values. For registries

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Thomas Narten
As background, the actual errata is at http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5226eid=2715 In it Julian suggests (wdiff shows the proposed text changes): 5) Initial assignments and reservations. Clear instructions [-should-] {+SHALL+} be provided to identify any initial

RE: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Narten Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:02 AM To: Russ Housley Cc: IETF; i...@iesg.org Subject: Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected I don't see the need for this. should seems

RE: Last Call: draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps-11.txt (DKIM Authorized Third-Party Signers) to Experimental RFC

2011-12-08 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Otis Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:12 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-kucherawy-dkim-atps-11.txt (DKIM Authorized Third-Party Signers) to Experimental RFC

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Benson Schliesser
I agree, and I think the original text is a better description of the requirement. Cheers, -Benson On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Thomas Narten wrote: As background, the actual errata is at http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5226eid=2715 In it Julian suggests (wdiff shows the

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Barry Leiba
Errata 2684 was entered against RFC 5226, Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs.  After discussion with one of the RFC authors and IANA staff, I rejected the errata. The errata author is saying that in many registries, there are no unreserved values.  For registries

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 12/8/11 12:18 PM, Barry Leiba wrote: That said, the best I can see for this report is held for document update. It's one of those things that's not worth spending time on, and, as Thomas says, the should language makes it fine as it is. +1. There's work happening in the background on

Re: IAOC Member Selection

2011-12-08 Thread IETF Chair
The announcement sent on 13 November 2011 says that the IAB will confirm the IESG's selection. Review of RFC 4071 reveals that there is not a requirement for confirmation. Sorry for the confusion. On behalf of the IESG, Russ Housley IESG Chair On Nov 13, 2011, at 1:04 AM, IETF Chair

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread John Levine
In other words, I don't see a problem with the existing text that warrants bothering with an errata. If IANA isn't able to figure out what they need to do under the current wording, we have problems that no amount of word twiddling can fix. R's, John PS: The last time I checked, it wasn't a

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Fred Baker
On Dec 8, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Russ Housley wrote: Errata 2684 was entered against RFC 5226, Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs. After discussion with one of the RFC authors and IANA staff, I rejected the errata. The errata author is saying that in many

Re: Consensus Call (Update): draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-12-08 Thread Michael Richardson
Mark == Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org writes: Mark This is not a ISP/CUSTOMER problem. This is a Mark ISP/CUSTOMER/WORK problem. Mark You have the ISP using 172.16/12 You have the customer using Mark 192.168/16 or 10/8 You have WORK using 172.16/12 Mark Enterpises have

Re: Consensus Call (Update): draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-12-08 Thread Michael Richardson
Chris == Chris Donley c.don...@cablelabs.com writes: Chris We're requesting a /10, not a /12 or /15 (devices attached to Chris one CGN might use the whole /15). Such an allocation would Chris be too small for a regional CGN deployment at a larger ISP, Chris and would likely

Re: IPv6 not operational (was Re: Consensus Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request)

2011-12-08 Thread Toerless Eckert
Not sure why rfc1981 PMTUD was never fixed. I've repeatedly tried to suggest to just forget about PMTUD for IP multicast, and i have never come across a good use case to justify MTU 1280 for IP multicast across the Internet. We did manage to get section 11.1 into rfc 3542 though. It's a little

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, December 08, 2011 14:02 -0500 Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com wrote: As background, the actual errata is at http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5226eid=2715 ... I don't see the need for this. should seems good enough for me. Also, the wording any ranges that are

Re: Consensus Call (Update): draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-12-08 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: =?utf-8?B?TcOlbnM=?= Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org I have 1918 space at home, that is used at work. My VPN works. Maybe we should allocate a chunk of space explicity for tunnel termination, instead of using 1918 for that? I would think it could be re-used across enterprises

Re: Consensus Call (Update): draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-12-08 Thread John Leslie
Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu wrote: Maybe we should allocate a chunk of space explicity for tunnel termination, instead of using 1918 for that? Interesting... I've learned to avoid 1918 for tunnel endpoints at almost-any cost: you lose all diagnostic packets. As it is now, I

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Stewart Bryant
On 08/12/2011 19:18, Barry Leiba wrote: Errata 2684 was entered against RFC 5226, Guidelines for Writing an IANA Considerations Section in RFCs. After discussion with one of the RFC authors and IANA staff, I rejected the errata. The errata author is saying that in many registries, there are no

Re: Errata against RFC 5226 rejected

2011-12-08 Thread Barry Leiba
In a small registry like this, it is useful to have something in the box in the table that makes it less likely that the value will be squatted on. In the above example it is clearer in the 0..7 case that there are only two free values and I will need a real good use case. In the 0..5

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2011-12-08 Thread Thomas Narten
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Last Call: draft-amundsen-item-and-collection-link-relations-04.txt (The Item and Collection Link Relations) to Informational RFC

2011-12-08 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'The Item and Collection Link Relations' draft-amundsen-item-and-collection-link-relations-04.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits

Re: IAOC Member Selection

2011-12-08 Thread IETF Chair
The announcement sent on 13 November 2011 says that the IAB will confirm the IESG's selection. Review of RFC 4071 reveals that there is not a requirement for confirmation. Sorry for the confusion. On behalf of the IESG, Russ Housley IESG Chair On Nov 13, 2011, at 1:04 AM, IETF Chair

RFC 6429 on TCP Sender Clarification for Persist Condition

2011-12-08 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6429 Title: TCP Sender Clarification for Persist Condition Author: M. Bashyam, M. Jethanandani, A. Ramaiah Status:

RFC 6450 on Multicast Ping Protocol

2011-12-08 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6450 Title: Multicast Ping Protocol Author: S. Venaas Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: December 2011 Mailbox:

RFC 6451 on Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Protocol Extensions

2011-12-08 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6451 Title: Location-to-Service Translation (LoST) Protocol Extensions Author: A. Forte, H. Schulzrinne Status: Experimental Stream:

BCP 172, RFC 6472 on Recommendation for Not Using AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET in BGP

2011-12-08 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. BCP 172 RFC 6472 Title: Recommendation for Not Using AS_SET and AS_CONFED_SET in BGP Author: W. Kumari, K. Sriram Status: Best Current Practice

New Non-WG Mailing List: dc -- IETF Data Center Mailing List

2011-12-08 Thread IETF Secretariat
A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. IETF Data Center Mailing List List address: d...@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dc/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dc Purpose: This mailing list is for the discussion of networking issues

New Non-WG Mailing List: appsdir -- Apps Area Directorate List

2011-12-08 Thread IETF Secretariat
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