Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 7/27/13 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >> yup. i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove the >> projectors and screens. > > Then I guess it's time for my quarterly "I'd be good with that." As would I. Keith

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On 7/27/13 8:23 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: >> I would be very sorry to see IETF *working* meetings turned into >> something closer to conferences, > with poster sessions! A! Melinda

RE: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

> I would be very sorry to see IETF *working* meetings turned into > something closer to conferences, with poster sessions! Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On 7/27/13 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > yup. i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove the > projectors and screens. Then I guess it's time for my quarterly "I'd be good with that." Melinda

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

> I would be very sorry to see IETF *working* meetings turned into > something closer to conferences, or to dumbing things down to > accommodate newcomers who I gather from discussion so far don't have > anything particular in mind. yup. i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove th

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

> I think it would be really helpful/useful if working groups could > provide short video overviews to help people understand the work. > This includes newcomers and also interested observers, who may include > implementers. putting up yuotube/vimeo tutorials on the wg's technical space would be a

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 7/27/13 1:38 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > > I think it would be really helpful/useful if working groups could > > provide short video overviews to help people understand the work. > > This includes newcomers and also interested observer

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On 7/27/13 3:52 PM, Aaron Yi DING wrote: > What do you mean by conference? too much information inferred in your > term that may confuse others on the list. Will appreciate, if you can > share bit more on it, behind the single term "conference" that you > particularly don't like. I love conferenc

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On 27/07/13 23:22, Melinda Shore wrote: On 7/27/13 1:38 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: I think it would be really helpful/useful if working groups could provide short video overviews to help people understand the work. This includes newcomers and also interested observers, who may include impleme

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

At 14:01 27-07-2013, Jari Arkko wrote: Let me clarify why I thought it was wrong. I don't think I'm disagreeing with you, I'll reorder the end of the original message. Jari (the guy who is preparing for the possibility - no matter how remote - that the cool kids might actually teach us a tri

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On 7/27/13 1:38 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote: > I think it would be really helpful/useful if working groups could > provide short video overviews to help people understand the work. > This includes newcomers and also interested observers, who may > include implementers. Can that be accommodated, m

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

In article <8ba59f96-a1de-460f-9a22-f2cd4ce5f...@emc.com> you write: >I think it would be really helpful/useful if working groups could provide short >video overviews to help people understand the work. This includes newcomers >and >also interested observers, who may include implementers. Can th

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

I think it would be really helpful/useful if working groups could provide short video overviews to help people understand the work. This includes newcomers and also interested observers, who may include implementers. Can that be accommodated, maybe at a future meeting? I am happy to help if I

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

(Dropping a few lists from the distribution.) Brian, Dave, > It reads rudely when taken out of context. But try reading the whole > paragraph in RFC 3184: > > IETF participants who attend Working Group meetings read the > relevant Internet-Drafts, RFCs, and e-mail archives beforehand,

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On 28/07/2013 00:23, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 7/27/2013 7:17 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: "newcomers who attend Working Group meetings are encouraged to observe and absorb whatever material they can, but should not interfere with the ongoing process of the group" > ... The first quote

Re: Oh look! [Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials]

On 7/27/13, John C Klensin wrote: > one locates it (IETF Home Page -> IESG -> Members) one even gets > contact information as a bonus. And the listing of AD names is > pretty useless without contact info. > As from my remote participant experience in IETF Routing Area (rtg), I was very happy/enc

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

Well, actually, the IETF is a continuation of the Network Working Group, which formed organically in late 1968. We're a few days short of the 45 year mark. The NWG had open meetings, developed the layered architecture and published RFCs. Steve Sent from my iPhone On Jul 27, 2013, at 9:07 AM

Re: Remote participants access to Meeting Mailing Lists was Re: BOF posters in the welcome reception

--On Saturday, July 27, 2013 03:25 -0700 Alexa Morris wrote: >> (3) While it is almost certainly too late to populate it >> before Berlin, I think the meeting page template could use a >> "Remote Participants" main section with pointers to hints and >> other relevant materials, including which

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

Simon, > for your information, the Meetecho team is going to record five tutorials on > Sunday: > > http://www.ietf.org/meeting/87/remote-participation.html#meetecho > > We have already provided a URL for those who want to remotely attend the IAOC > Overview Session. If you think this might be

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

Hello Jary and all, for your information, the Meetecho team is going to record five tutorials on Sunday: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/87/remote-participation.html#meetecho We have already provided a URL for those who want to remotely attend the IAOC Overview Session. If you think this might be

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

> From: Abdussalam Baryun > no one in IETF have been participating for longer than 30 years The IETF was a renaming of things that existed before the formal first IETF (in January, 1986). It's a direct descendant of the first 'TCP Working Group' meeting, held in Washington DC on March 12

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

On 7/27/2013 7:17 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: "newcomers who attend Working Group meetings are encouraged to observe and absorb whatever material they can, but should not interfere with the ongoing process of the group" ... The first quote might discourage newcomers from participating. I suggest dis

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info)

At 23:17 26-07-2013, Jari Arkko wrote: The second quote is valid in most cases, though we've had some sessions at times that were designed more as education than discussion. For instance, the IAB WCIT BOF last time. The following will be discussed in the DMARC BoF: "a mechanism for protecti

Re: Remote participants access to Meeting Mailing Lists was Re: BOF posters in the welcome reception

On 27/07/13 11:25, Alexa Morris wrote: We have created a small section called Remote Participation on the lower right side of the 87 meeting page here: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/87/index.html. It can and will be improved over time, but it's a start. +1. The key parts are there now. Thank

Re: Remote participants access to Meeting Mailing Lists was Re: BOF posters in the welcome reception

> > (3) While it is almost certainly too late to populate it before > Berlin, I think the meeting page template could use a "Remote > Participants" main section with pointers to hints and other > relevant materials, including which mailing lists one should > watch and that the web version of the m

RE: Regarding call Chinese names

I have not learned Yale romanization for Cantonese and jyutping (you mentioned) before. The following are my homework of today for you: -) a. Per the Wikipidia @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Romanization Mandarin Yale was developed in 1943 by the Yale sinologist

Re: Oh look! [Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials]

At 15:10 26-07-2013, John C Klensin wrote: However, the IETF has been having a lot of discussions about newcomers, diversity, and attracting new folks to participate and get work done. I think those populations will be better served if it is possible for people a lot less experienced than the tw

Re: dnssdext BOF (was: Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials (was: IETF87 Audio Streaming Info))

On 27 Jul 2013, at 02:20, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > If I had known this was taking place I might have made the trip to Berlin. > > I am very interested in the problem this tries to solve. I think it is the > wrong way to go about it but I am interested in the problem. > > The case for hav