RE: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Dave Cridland
On 23 Aug 2013 04:22, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: LC should not be treated as a right of passage, to test the patience of folks who have developed a document. rite? Right - right or rite? Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-23 Thread Jelte Jansen
On 08/22/2013 07:18 PM, John Levine wrote: In article 5215cd8d.3080...@sidn.nl you write: So what makes you think the above 4 points will not be a problem for the next protocol that comes along and needs (apex) RR data? And the one after that? SPF is ten years old now. It would be helpful

Visibility of shepherd writeup

2013-08-23 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Aug 22, 2013, at 21:23, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: Most Excellent(tm) shepherd report: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis/shepherdwriteup/ (This may not have helped much in this case, but:) Why is it that IETF last-calls do not contain a direct

Huawei to Host IETF 88 in Vancouver!

2013-08-23 Thread IETF Administrative Director
Announce Huawei Host Vancouver The IAOC is pleased to announce that Huawei will be the Host for IETF 88 in Vancouver. Huawei has been a long time supporter of the IETF through its participation and sponsorships at IETF meetings, but this is their first time as the Host of an IETF meeting.

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-23 Thread John Levine
SPF is ten years old now. It would be helpful if you could give us a list of other protocols that have had a similar issue with a TXT record at the apex during the past decade. I don't know of any (at least ones that are used in the global dns namespace), and I would like to still not know of

RE: [Recentattendees] IETF 88 - Registration Now Open!

2013-08-23 Thread Mishra, Sanjay
The URL below is missing letter g in the word meeting. http://www.ietf.org/meetin/88/hotel.html -Original Message- From: recentattendees-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:recentattendees-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 10:26 AM To:

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-netext-update-notifications-07.txt (Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-23 Thread Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano
Hi, I've taken a look at the current version of the draft and I think it is in good shape. I have a couple of comments: - I think it might be useful to include an additional NR Code for obtaining Updated Access Network Identifier (ANI) parameters. The LMA would send a UPN message to the MAG

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-trill-directory-framework-07

2013-08-23 Thread Black, David
The -07 version is also ready for publication as an Informational RFC Thanks, --David -Original Message- From: gen-art-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:gen-art-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Black, David Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:20 AM To: ldun...@huawei.com; Donald Eastlake;

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-dime-overload-reqs-10

2013-08-23 Thread Eric McMurry
Hi David, Thank you for the review. Your time and comments are appreciated! comments/questions inline. Eric On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:18 , Black, David david.bl...@emc.com wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at

Re: [netext] Last Call: draft-ietf-netext-update-notifications-07.txt (Update Notifications for Proxy Mobile IPv6) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-23 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Hi Carlos, Thanks for your review comments. Please see inline. On 8/22/13 6:28 PM, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano c...@it.uc3m.es wrote: Hi, I've taken a look at the current version of the draft and I think it is in good shape. I have a couple of comments: - I think it might be useful to

Re: [dnsext] full standards, Deprecating SPF

2013-08-23 Thread Hector Santos
Andras Salamon wrote: On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:53:29PM -, John Levine wrote: If you think it's important to move it to full standard, why don't you do somthing about it? A quick look suggests that 3597 meets the requirements in sec 2.2 of RFC 6410 I wouldn't think that it'd be hard to

Fwd: [dnsext] SPF isn't going to change, was Deprecating SPF

2013-08-23 Thread manning bill
Begin forwarded message: Resent-From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com From: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com Subject: Re: [dnsext] SPF isn't going to change, was Deprecating SPF Date: August 23, 2013 10:03:26 PDT Resent-To: bmann...@isi.edu To: John Levine jo...@taugh.com Cc: dns...@ietf.org

Re: IETF 88 - Registration Now Open!

2013-08-23 Thread manning bill
and the hotel is fully booked…. /bill On 23August2013Friday, at 6:36, IETF Secretariat wrote: 88th IETF Meeting Vancouver, BC, Canada November 3-8, 2013 Host: Huawei Meeting venue: Hyatt Regency Vancouver: http://vancouver.hyatt.com/en/hotel/home.html Register online at:

Re: Fwd: [dnsext] SPF isn't going to change, was Deprecating SPF

2013-08-23 Thread John Levine
Nobody has argued that SPF usage is zero, and the reasons for deprecating SPF have been described repeatedly here and on the ietf list, so this exercise seems fairly pointless. the reasons for not deprecating SPF have been described here and on the ietf list repeatedly ... yet

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Scott Brim
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: In pragmatic terms, the current operational model for a LC (and IESG) review tends to enforce no rules or limits to what can be challenged or suggested, while simultaneously expecting those who have been doing the work to

Re: IETF 88 - Registration Now Open!

2013-08-23 Thread John Levine
In article b4828b8f-b900-4dc1-ad3e-7e3044fb8...@isi.edu you write: and the hotel is fully booked�. Not if you use the link on the meeting hotel page. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/88/hotel.html R's, John

Re: IETF 88 - Registration Now Open!

2013-08-23 Thread Tim Chown
On 23 Aug 2013, at 18:49, manning bill bmann...@isi.edu wrote: and the hotel is fully booked…. I guess it got fixed Bill, though I only booked for the meeting week itself. tim /bill On 23August2013Friday, at 6:36, IETF Secretariat wrote: 88th IETF Meeting Vancouver, BC, Canada

Re: [spfbis] Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-23 Thread S Moonesamy
Hello, This message has a Bcc to an IETF participant. In my write-up for the Responsible Area Director I mentioned that: There was an intermediate conclusion about the topic of whether the SPF protocol should use the SPF RRTYPE or the TXT resource record. It was followed by an

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Dave Crocker
On 8/23/2013 11:06 AM, Scott Brim wrote: We don't have to be like the ones we all know who sneer at anyone presuming to get in the way of their code going into production. Since this is such a fundamental point, I'm sending this reply to emphasize: The concern I expressed had nothing at

Re: [dnsext] SPF isn't going to change, was Deprecating SPF

2013-08-23 Thread manning bill
On 23August2013Friday, at 11:04, John Levine wrote: Nobody has argued that SPF usage is zero, and the reasons for deprecating SPF have been described repeatedly here and on the ietf list, so this exercise seems fairly pointless. the reasons for not deprecating SPF have been described

Last Call: draft-ietf-spfbis-4408bis-19.txt (Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in Email, Version 1) to Proposed Standard

2013-08-23 Thread Douglas Otis
The SPFbis document improperly conflates DNS terminology with identical terms invented by this document. Examples are terms used to describe mechanisms having the same identifier differentiated between mechanisms and DNS resource records by using lower and upper case respectively. References

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Hector Santos
Dave Crocker wrote: On 8/23/2013 11:06 AM, Scott Brim wrote: We don't have to be like the ones we all know who sneer at anyone presuming to get in the way of their code going into production. Since this is such a fundamental point, I'm sending this reply to emphasize: The concern I

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Dave, I read the messages on this thread. I suggested to the participant to comment. I am okay with the comments which were made. I had an off-list exchange before the message that generated the other thread. The exchange was not antagonistic. Some people read please read the

Re: The Last Call social contract (was - Re: Rude responses)

2013-08-23 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote: On 8/23/2013 11:06 AM, Scott Brim wrote: We don't have to be like the ones we all know who sneer at anyone presuming to get in the way of their code going into production. Since this is such a fundamental point, I'm

IETF 88 - Registration Now Open!

2013-08-23 Thread IETF Secretariat
88th IETF Meeting Vancouver, BC, Canada November 3-8, 2013 Host: Huawei Meeting venue: Hyatt Regency Vancouver: http://vancouver.hyatt.com/en/hotel/home.html Register online at: http://www.ietf.org/meetings/88/ 1. Registration 2. Visas Letters of Invitation 3. Accommodations 4. Companion

Huawei to Host IETF 88 in Vancouver!

2013-08-23 Thread IETF Administrative Director
Announce Huawei Host Vancouver The IAOC is pleased to announce that Huawei will be the Host for IETF 88 in Vancouver. Huawei has been a long time supporter of the IETF through its participation and sponsorships at IETF meetings, but this is their first time as the Host of an IETF meeting.

New Non-WG Mailing List: pntaw -- Discussion list for practices related to proxies, NATs, TURN, and WebRTC

2013-08-23 Thread IETF Secretariat
A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: pn...@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/pntaw/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/pntaw Purpose: This mailing list will discuss how webrtc clients, proxies, NATs and TURN servers

RFC 7020 on The Internet Numbers Registry System

2013-08-23 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 7020 Title: The Internet Numbers Registry System Author: R. Housley, J. Curran, G. Huston, D. Conrad Status: Informational Stream: IETF