When should a new IANA registry be created

2004-12-19 Thread Cullen Jennings
There is the beginning of yet another debate on the SIMPLE mailing list about do we need an IANA registry from some fields in a specific draft. There does not seem to be a clear opinion on when to create a registry or not and past activities are not 100% consistent. I'm sure this has come up many

Re: RFCs should be distributed in XML (Was: Faux Pas -- web publi cation in proprietary formats at ietf.org

2005-11-15 Thread Cullen Jennings
Many ietf folks use a open source source code control repository at sipfoundry.org to edit drafts. The folks at sipfoundry have been happy to give accounts to any IETF folks (and given sipfoundry is littered with IETF folks, I'd be surprised to see this change :-). There are already about 160

Re: WG Review: Domain Keys Identified Mail (dkim)

2005-12-21 Thread Cullen Jennings
We have had three proposal for some text on changes to prior work, the current proposed charter, the text from the XMPP charter, and the text Keith provided below. The question that I think IESG should be asking themselves is how is this similar and/or different from other groups the have

Re: Last Call: 'The Base16, Base32, and Base64 Data Encodings' to Proposed Standard

2006-04-10 Thread Cullen Jennings
There seems to be two (or more) common base 64 encoding alphabets. Could we enumerate the alphabets used in at least standards track RFCs and give each one a more specific name so that specification could specify which one the forms was used. This might help implementers understand there were

Re: Last Call: 'The Base16, Base32, and Base64 Data Encodings' to Proposed Standard

2006-04-10 Thread Cullen Jennings
On 4/10/06 4:31 PM, Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the base32 extended hex version get used in the SASL work? Can we update the reference or if it is not needed not just remove it. base32 extended hex is being / will be used for NSEC3 as it preserves the sort order. Great -

Re: Last Call: 'The Base16, Base32, and Base64 Data Encodings' to Proposed Standard

2006-04-11 Thread Cullen Jennings
On 4/10/06 6:34 PM, John C Klensin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --On Tuesday, 11 April, 2006 11:26 +1000 Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/10/06 4:31 PM, Mark Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the base32 extended hex version get used in the SASL work? Can we upda te the

Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.

2006-04-12 Thread Cullen Jennings
On 4/11/06 12:33 AM, John Loughney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In practice, I've needed to power-cycle these NAT boxes every few weeks, to clear out the garbage. I'm curios to understand more of what you mean by this? Are you running out of ports? Do you have any ideas what is causing this? (I

Re: Last Call: 'NAT Behavioral Requirements for Unicast UDP' to BCP (draft-ietf-behave-nat-udp)

2006-05-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
On May 15, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Sam Hartman wrote: Keith == Keith Moore moore@cs.utk.edu writes: REQ-8: If application transparency is most important, it is RECOMMENDED that a NAT have an Endpoint independent filtering behavior. If a more stringent filtering behavior is most important, it is

Re: Last Call: 'NAT Behavioral Requirements for Unicast UDP' to BCP (draft-ietf-behave-nat-udp)

2006-05-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
On May 18, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Keith Moore wrote: If we change this to address independent, close to 100% of NATs produced will be non behave compliant. At this point applications will have nothing they can rely on and we will be at the same point we are now and the BEHAVE WG will have been

Re: Call for Nominations - NomCom06

2006-10-20 Thread Cullen Jennings
Sam - sorry - we should have tested this.Andrew -  my feeling is that we need to provide a solution to this soon. It's seems to me that just accepting email nominations would be one of the easiest ways to do it. For this nomcom could we switch to accepting either web or email nominations and in

Re: Call for Nominations - NomCom06

2006-10-20 Thread Cullen Jennings
Wow - that was fast. Thanks. On Oct 20, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: Hi Cullen, on 2006-10-20 21:21 Cullen Jennings said the following: Sam - sorry - we should have tested this. Andrew - my feeling is that we need to provide a solution to this soon. It's seems to me that just

Re: Last Call: 'DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) Signatures' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dkim-base)

2006-11-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Nov 14, 2006, at 11:03 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: At 4:17 PM +0100 11/14/06, Joe Abley wrote: For the benefit of those who do not follow dnsext closely, what friction do you expect? As Eric stated in his message, we should not rehash old arguments. This has been beaten to death on the

Re: IESG Success Stories

2007-01-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Michael Thomas wrote: My gripe is when an outside AD takes an interest in the work, goes to the f2f meetings, maybe reads the drafts but then waits to IESG evaluation time to DISCUSS their issues. If they know they have a problem(s), it would be *far* better to air

Re: Identifying mailing list for discussion (Re: Tracking resolution of DISCUSSes)

2007-01-15 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:46 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: I have argued for years that an I-D that doesn't say in its status of this memo section which mailing list it is to be discussed on is incomplete, but I don't seem to have achieved much success for that. 100% agree. On many of my

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis (HTTP Extensions for Distributed Authoring - WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-15 Thread Cullen Jennings
WIth my WebDAV WG Chair hat on I would like to make a few comments. On Jan 15, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: ... snip... (4) Examples for open issues (4a) One of the things RFC2518bis was supposed to fix was the confusion around locking. Right now, it fails big time. For

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis (HTTP Extensions for Distributed Authoring - WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-19 Thread Cullen Jennings
Julian's draft has been around for a very long time and I think that you have suggested we just adopt it before so the WG certainly has been aware of this option. The bulk of this draft has been available to the WG for many months if not years and the WG did choose to use text out of

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis (HTTP Extensions for Distributed Authoring - WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-20 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Jan 19, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: Cullen, I was tempted to finish that mail with and thanks for the fish, in honor of Douglas Adams, but I resisted. lol :-) Anyway, please understand that I don't want to make your or Ted's life harder than it needs to be. I just feel

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis (HTTP Extensions for Distributed Authoring - WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2007-01-20 Thread Cullen Jennings
I certainly consider Geoff and Manfred part of the WG. I don't think any of these were ignored my Lisa or me, I've read everyone one of them several times. I think that for WG did not come to consensus to adopt these into the WG draft. Cullen with my webdav WG chair hat on On Jan 19,

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-webdav-rfc2518bis (HTTP Extensions for Distributed Authoring - WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2007-02-20 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Jan 22, 2007, at 4:49 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: Hi, RFC2518bis updates parts of RFC3253 (DAV:error below DAV:response) in an incompatible way, and thus should note it in the front matter (Updates: 3253) and mention it as a change near the Changes Appendix. (see

Re: [Geopriv] Irregularities with the GEOPRIV Meeting at IETF 68

2007-04-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
on a previous hum) that it was important to walk away from the meeting with a resolution. To one particular point: Cullen Jennings both called the consensus and cast the last and tie-breaking vote in the room. We feel it is important to clarify that Cullen Jennings did not call

Re: Last Call: draft-shacham-sipping-session-mobility (Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Session Mobility) to Informational RFC

2007-04-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
As far as I can tell, there are three people that have posted an email abut this document in and some of theses got back to early 2005. I don't think this document has received adequate review from the SIP community. It seems like the SH mode is preferable to the MMC mode in general

Re: Should I* opinions be afforded a special status? (Re: [saag] Declining the ifare bof for Chicago)

2007-06-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Jun 12, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: The idea that somehow the ADs and the IAB are above the rest of the contributors is just wrong. They are judges of consensus when appropriate and the consensus better be independently verifiable I would be very interested in

Re: tsv-dir review of draft-ietf-xcon-bfcp-connection-04

2007-07-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
David - I put this tracker as a note so we are sure the appropriate ADs don't miss it in IESG review. On Jul 5, 2007, at 6:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gonzalo, The -05 draft looks fine, and I have no problem with leaving comment (1) [whether to say something applicable beyond BFCP on

Re: Last Call: draft-saintandre-jabberid (The Jabber-ID Header Field) to Proposed Standard

2007-08-24 Thread Cullen Jennings
I think a much better design would be one that supported many protocols and took advantage of the flexibility or URIs instead of just jabber - for example a header that looked like IMPP: xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The way we did vcard might be a good thing to look at, or heck, just attach a

Re: Last Call: draft-saintandre-jabberid (The Jabber-ID Header Field) to Proposed Standard

2007-08-24 Thread Cullen Jennings
Making this experimental not make much sense to me - there is no real experiment here other than will anyone use it and that could be said about a large percentage of PS documents. When I read 2026, this looks like PS. On Aug 24, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Eric Allman

Re: Last Call: draft-saintandre-jabberid (The Jabber-ID Header Field) to Proposed Standard

2007-08-24 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Aug 24, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: I think a much better design would be one that supported many protocols and took advantage of the flexibility or URIs instead of just jabber - for example a header that looked like IMPP: xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Last Call: draft-saintandre-jabberid (The Jabber-ID Header Field) to Proposed Standard

2007-08-24 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Aug 24, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Alexey Melnikov wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: Making this experimental not make much sense to me - there is no real experiment here other than will anyone use it and that could be said about a large

Re: Comments on draft-aboba-sg-experiment-03.txt

2007-10-11 Thread Cullen Jennings
Would you see them being above or below BOFs? On Oct 11, 2007, at 4:38 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: I have one additional concern about this proposal. If a study group is intended to meet at an IETF, it will compete with slot requests both from IETF working groups and IRTF research groups. I

Re: Comments on draft-aboba-sg-experiment-03.txt

2007-10-11 Thread Cullen Jennings
, the problem seems controllable, particularly since a fair number of WGs are on the verge of concluding. On Thu, 11 Oct 2007, Cullen Jennings wrote: Would you see them being above or below BOFs? On Oct 11, 2007, at 4:38 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: I have one additional concern about this proposal

Re: Daily Dose version 2 launched

2007-11-07 Thread Cullen Jennings
I like it - thanks. And please continue a practice of Release early, Release often, I'm willing to bet it will work better for this type of software than a waterfall mode. On Nov 5, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: Thanks to everyone who provided input regarding the front page

Re: Last Call: draft-wilde-sms-uri (URI Scheme for GSM Short Message Service) to Proposed Standard

2007-11-21 Thread Cullen Jennings
resend as I was told this did not make it the first time There are a wide variety of problems with this draft. I think the two big topics are 1) as far as I understand the needs to defining an address for sending SMS, I would want to understand why it would not be better to a tel URI

Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-saintandre-header-pres-00.txt

2007-11-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Nov 11, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: I also don't see any particular reason for prohibiting direct use of XMPP or SIP URIs here. There is no need in extra resolution step if an email author only supports one type of IM application. +1 (thought I am fine either way - this

Re: Westin Bayshore throwing us out

2007-11-27 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: Ray, I think you need to comment on this. Part of the secretariat booking hotels is to avoid nonsense like this. Why are they not kicking out other guests instead of us? Actually, I'm interested in a more basic thing. We usually put a

Re: Westin Bayshore throwing us out

2007-11-27 Thread Cullen Jennings
, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: On Nov 27, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Pete Resnick wrote: Ray, I think you need to comment on this. Part of the secretariat booking hotels is to avoid nonsense like this. Why are they not kicking out other guests instead of us? Actually

Re: Should the RFC Editor publish an RFC in less than 2 months?

2007-11-28 Thread Cullen Jennings
What happens if the appeal is claiming that changes made in Auth 48 should have been reviewed by the working group and go against WG consensus? Given some of the changes I have seen between IESG approval and published RFC, this seems like a reasonable plausible scenario. On Nov 28,

Re: Westin Vancouver Update

2007-11-28 Thread Cullen Jennings
Wow. That greatly exceeded my expectations for a resolution. Thanks to everyone who made that happen. On Nov 28, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: All; Some background as regards the Westin moving people to other hotels as a result of renovations. We executed a contract with the

Re: [Ietf-message-headers] Re: I-DAction:draft-saintandre-header-pres-00.txt

2007-12-04 Thread Cullen Jennings
are doing on this. Cullen with my individual contributor hat on On Nov 26, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: On Nov 11, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote: I also don't see any particular reason for prohibiting direct use of XMPP or SIP URIs here

Re: IPv4 Outage Planned for IETF 71 Plenary

2007-12-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Dec 18, 2007, at 10:32 AM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Tuesday, 18 December, 2007 09:17 -0800 Dave Crocker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. I don't really understand how you envision this working. Are you thinking that people will be speaking during this period? It's hard to imagine

Re: IPv4 Outage Planned for IETF 71 Plenary

2007-12-19 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Dec 19, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Tony Hain wrote: If we could only get the IESG to get serious about killing off working groups that are still focused on IPv4 ... ;) Suggestions of WGs? ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: Call for Comment: RFC 4693 experiment

2008-01-29 Thread Cullen Jennings
I'd like to comment as an individual on one part of our process for doing IONs. The process for publishing them has many bottlenecks and delays and we need a better way of doing it. If we decide to continue with IONs, I will provide detailed comments on issues with how we are doing them.

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-01-31 Thread Cullen Jennings
Inline On Jan 18, 2008, at 10:56 AM, John C Klensin wrote: Hi. The current cutoff schedule for Internet Drafts dates from my time on the IESG (i.e., is ancient history). It was conditioned on the pre-IETF rush and the observation that the Secretariat, at the time, required a

Re: Internet Draft Submission cutoff dates

2008-02-01 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Feb 1, 2008, at 12:51 PM, John C Klensin wrote: (3) Cullen's note emphasized the reading problems faced by ADs who are trying to stay on top of all of the documents in their areas. I think we need to be very careful about that, balancing permitting the ADs to function/manage effectively

Re: Call for Comment: RFC 4693 experiment

2008-02-06 Thread Cullen Jennings
100% agree with all your points. I think we should focus on if the IONs are needed. If we determine they are, then we can discuss things we learned about the tooling and how to do it better. Cullen with my individual contributor hat on On Feb 6, 2008, at 6:34 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:

Re: I-D Action:draft-rosenberg-internet-waist-hourglass-00.txt]

2008-02-17 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Feb 14, 2008, at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: In essence, something like this would increase the address lenght by 16 bits. Well, as I am sure you know, the reason NAT is so successful is that it basically does extend the IP address space by 16 bits, but in a backwards

Re: Eating our own dog food and using SIP for telephony... (was Re: My view of the IAOC Meeting Selection Guidelines)

2008-02-17 Thread Cullen Jennings
There are free conference bridges that only use the PSTN - they make money by reverse termination charges (for example /www.freeconference.com ). There are very expensive conference bridges that do cool tricks SS7 technology. There are free confernce bridges that use SIP/H.323/IAX/ Skype

Re: Hasty attempt to create an IDN WG (Was: WG Review: Internationalized Domain Name (idn)

2008-03-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
Harald, I'm lost, what BOF are you talking about? Cullen On Mar 4, 2008, at 6:19 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 04:32:08PM +0200, Jari Arkko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 21 lines which said: But it is quite common when we revise

Re: IONs discuss criteria

2008-03-06 Thread Cullen Jennings
Ted, Speaking for myself here but I suspect that other ADs are in the same boat ... I'm keen to make sure my Discusses are within the parameters of the discuss criteria ION regardless of the official status of this document. Agree we need to sort out what we the end result is of several

Re: IONs discuss criteria

2008-03-06 Thread Cullen Jennings
understanding of the English language is poor (they are both probably true), but could you explain how one of your most recent DISCUSSes: Cullen Jennings: Discuss [2008-03-05]: There has been a lot of discussion about keying modes for SRTP, so I'm glad to see a document that covers this topic

Re: IONs discuss criteria

2008-03-06 Thread Cullen Jennings
I believe Sam's discuss cover the issues I was concerned about and I have removed my discuss. On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Lakshminath Dondeti wrote: Sam, There is no need to prolong this particular side of the discussion now that Cullen clarified his position. But, I have to say that

Re: IONs discuss criteria

2008-03-06 Thread Cullen Jennings
-0800 3/6/08, Cullen Jennings wrote: Part of the reason I replied so quickly on this thread is that I think I currently have two discuss that do not meet the discuss criteria (this being one of them the other being on Lost). Totally fair to pick on me here. Both were entered as, excuse the pun

Re: Blue Sheet Change Proposal

2008-04-03 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Apr 3, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: I would say not. If people want to harvest our email addresses, they are readily available from IETF mail archives, which have the advantage of actually being machine readable. I do not see that any change is required in the blue

Re: IESG Statement on Spam Control on IETF Mailing Lists

2008-04-15 Thread Cullen Jennings
Hi Henrik, Seems this email about email still needs some more discussion - I have not been involved much with this much but I suspect that Chris Newman would probably be the best person on the IESG to work with on both clarifications and changes. Cullen On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM,

Re: ISSN for RFC Series under Consideration

2008-05-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
Seems like a good idea to me. On May 21, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: The IETF Trust is considering applying to the U.S. Library of Congress to obtain an International Standard Serial Number (ISSN) for the RFC Series and would like community input to inform its decision. The

Re: IESG Statement on Revised guidance for interim meetings

2008-09-11 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Sep 2, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: 7. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement. Well that's and interesting point to consider when looking at the average IETF Last Call. ___ Ietf mailing list

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-dns-sd (DNS-Based Service Discovery) to Informational RFC

2008-11-08 Thread Cullen Jennings
Great document I really like it but I think there are a few things that need to be done to improve it on the administrative side (technically looks great).. First of all, it seems to me that there are lots of standards track stuff that will want to use this, it is well defined, works,

Re: Please move this thread to BEHAVE mailing list ... Was Re: [BEHAVE] Lack of need for 66nat : Long term impact toapplicationdevelopers

2008-12-01 Thread Cullen Jennings
Fair Enough. I was not thinking of the behave mailing list as presuming the answer but I see your point. On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:30 , Tony Hain wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: I'm sure that the IAB and IESG is keenly interested in this topic but everyone that cares is subscribed to behave

Re: Friday experiment

2008-12-06 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Nov 29, 2008, at 5:15 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: I think it would be good to finally enforce the rules for agenda submissions. For instance, if no agenda for a meeting is published in time, the meeting shouldn't take place. +1 But in practice, every time something is late, an

Re: Last Call: draft-raj-dhc-tftp-addr-option (VoIP Configuration Server Address Option) to Informational RFC

2008-12-07 Thread Cullen Jennings
Say a client gets the an single address in the response. Now what protocol does it use? Does it just randomly try protocols seeing if one will work? It seems like it needs to say use TFTP. Or say something like try HTTP then TFTP or something. Just providing a random address does not

Re: secdir review of draft-raj-dhc-tftp-addr-option-04

2008-12-08 Thread Cullen Jennings
I find the claim that attacks are easier to do with VoIP Configuration Server Address than the TFTP Server Name to be pretty dubious. All the devices I am aware of that use either option also get the DNS server from DHCP. If I can attack the DHCP response, I can probably get a DNS server

Re: IPR Questions Raised by Sam Hartman at the IETF 73 Plenary

2008-12-13 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Dec 12, 2008, at 1:07 PM, Russ Housley wrote: This was the consensus of the IPR WG and the IETF, I doubt the IPR WG really fully thought about this or understood it. If someone who was deeply involved can provide definitive evidence of this one way or the other that would be great. I

Re: RFC5378 alternate procedure (was: Re: IPR Questions Raised by Sam Hartman at the IETF 73 Plenary)

2008-12-15 Thread Cullen Jennings
John, I like the draft. It looks like a fairly pragmatic approach to solve the problem. I believe it would allow us to continue work where the text had been provided under the 3978 rules. Without something like this, I don't know how I can submit new versions of the WG internet drafts

Re: IPR Questions Raised by Sam Hartman at the IETF 73 Plenary

2008-12-17 Thread Cullen Jennings
Larry, your email sounded dangerously close to suggesting that it might be ok to break the copyright law because no one would object to it. Is that what you are suggesting? On Dec 17, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Lawrence Rosen wrote: Dave Crocker wrote: That was the culture. Law often follows

Re: RFC 5378 representation

2008-12-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Fred Baker wrote: So, having just cleared this note with the Trustees, sending it in, and forwarding the note to the IETF list, I observe http://trustee.ietf.org/docs/Contributor_Non-Exclusive_License_RFC5378.pdf . By all means, folks, use the form. That link

Re: RFC 5378 representation

2008-12-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
Just as FYI for others, the link is now up and points to a doc that is a placeholder while some fixes get made to it. On Dec 22, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote: On Dec 18, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Fred Baker wrote: So, having just cleared this note with the Trustees, sending

Re: how to contact the IETF

2009-02-10 Thread Cullen Jennings
In fairness, the posts resulting from the FSF, uh, call to action, of this issue have been polite and tried to make a point. Some of them may be more or less informed about the facts at hand but they have been on topic and do express an opinion. I'm sure we can all think of examples of

Re: [Trustees] Last Call for Comments: Proposed work-around to thePre-5378 Problem

2009-02-10 Thread Cullen Jennings
I've gotten a bit lost on all the changes. Would it be possible to send to the list a single email that summarizes the current proposed changes to the document published on the web sight? or just a new copy of the document? On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Contreras, Jorge wrote:

Re: Last Call: draft-jones-dime-3gpp-eps-command-codes (Diameter Command Code Registration for Third Generation Partnership Project (3GPP) Evolved Packet System (EPS)) to Informational RFC

2009-02-10 Thread Cullen Jennings
My understanding is that this registry requires IETF Consensus as defined in 2434. However, theses registration are being defined by 3GPP TS 29.272 which does not have IETF Consensus. If the DIME community wishes to allow registrations like this, why not update the IANA registration

Re: Last Call: draft-jones-dime-3gpp-eps-command-codes (DiameterCommand Code Registration for Third Generation PartnershipProject (3GPP) Evolved Packet System (EPS)) to Informational RFC

2009-02-11 Thread Cullen Jennings
IANA registration process. Dan -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Cullen Jennings Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:28 AM To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-jones-dime-3gpp-eps-command-codes (DiameterCommand Code

Version of xml2rfc to produce drafts with new pre5378 IPR clause

2009-02-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
The XML2RFC folks are busy producing a good version of xml2rfc that deals with the new license statements. However in the meantime I have a hacked up version that does seem to work at least some of the time. You can find it at

Several ways you can publish I-Ds with pre 5378 content - TODAY

2009-02-23 Thread Cullen Jennings
Method 1: (Not recommended) Go read the BCP and Trust statement and edit your .txt to have the right text. Method 2: (Recommended for people using word template) Go look at a draft that did work, such as http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jennings-http-srv-01 And copy the Copyright Notice

Re: Changes needed to Last Call boilerplate

2009-02-24 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Feb 13, 2009, at 11:15 AM, David Morris wrote: while providing the operational efficiency of collecting all discussion in one place for actual analysis of last call While there may be better ways of doing it, I'll note the IETF LC subject line is constructed to make it possible to find

Re: Abstract on Page 1?

2009-03-07 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Mar 7, 2009, at 1:45 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: So, I'm not against another re-organization, but, in this time, PLEASE: - plan it well (think of all consequences for both I-Ds and RFCs) - make the requirements precise and actually implementable (remember: must be on page 1 :-) - give

Re: Abstract on Page 1?

2009-03-07 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Mar 7, 2009, at 12:21 PM, David Morris wrote: I can't recall any examples of any document or source file where the copyright was at the end. It certainly isn't common. agree it is unusual and weird but much of resiprocate has them at the end because some people had a hard time with the

Re: Running Code

2009-03-07 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Mar 3, 2009, at 3:43 PM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: Giving to early implementers a guaranty that their contributions will not be forgotten is a way to counterbalance the time and effort spent in working on this contributions. Marc, I feel that it is well worth thanking anyone in the

Re: Terminal room at IETF74

2009-03-11 Thread Cullen Jennings
Some companies are dealing with this by having people travel with a blank laptop with nothing but VMWare on them, then download the image of their real machine once they arrive and running it on the VM. I realize your company policy does not allow this but it's interesting all the same.

Re: [BEHAVE] Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-nat-behavior-discovery (NAT Behavior Discovery Using STUN) to Experimental RFC

2009-03-31 Thread Cullen Jennings
I was somewhat shocked to see the draft in IETF Last Call. The last time this draft was discussed at the microphone in Behave, many people were very concerned that it id not possible to correctly characterize a NAT without using more than one address behind the NAT. The tests done on on

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-nat-behavior-discovery (NATBehavior Discovery Using STUN) to Experimental RFC

2009-04-08 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Apr 5, 2009, at 8:57 PM, Bruce Lowekamp wrote: Bernard, Thanks for the comments. Let me see if I can describe a scenario in which behavior-discovery is useful. First, we don't want to go back to 3489. There were two problems (well, there were a lot more problems, but I just want to talk

Re: Your favorite network faults

2009-04-15 Thread Cullen Jennings
A NAT that if it's external IP was 1.2.3.4, any time it saw the binary pattern 0x01020304 passing through it in any data it would replace it with the nats internal IP. (Many NATS call this feature a Generic ALG so if you see a NAT with that, run screaming) Most stuff worked fine but the

Re: Extending the Dean Anderson PR-action to lists on tools.ietf.org

2009-04-17 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Samuel Weiler wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009, Cullen Jennings wrote: I really don't understand why Dean should be blocked from rai-...@tools.ietf.org. Dean is the subject of a PR Action; Henrik needs no other reason to apply the blocking and, if there is a reason

Re: Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-geopriv-lbyr-requirements-07

2009-06-04 Thread Cullen Jennings
Thanks for review ... just wanted to respond to one point in this. On Jun 3, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Spencer Dawkins wrote: C5. User Identity Protection: The location URI MUST NOT contain information that identifies the user or device. Examples include phone extensions, badge numbers,

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery (HTTP Enabled Location Delivery (HELD)) to Proposed Standard

2009-06-24 Thread Cullen Jennings
So to follow up on the gen-art and sec reviews (thank you btw) ... I tried to look at all the traffic and I put the changes into an RFC Ed note. Please have a look at this and let me know if I did not get it right. Thanks, Cullen In first paragraph of section 3 change OLD: This

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-geopriv-http-location-delivery (HTTP Enabled Location Delivery (HELD)) to Proposed Standard

2009-06-24 Thread Cullen Jennings
not posted to GEOPRIV WG mailing list - I will post a summary of the changes and a link to the review when I submitted the updated document which I'm working on right now and hope to submit shortly. Mary. -Original Message- From: Cullen Jennings [mailto:flu...@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, June

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-behave-nat-behavior-discovery (NATBehavior Discovery Using STUN) to Experimental RFC

2009-08-27 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Apr 14, 2009, at 20:38 , Bruce Lowekamp wrote: Many of the NATs out there you can not make this determination without multiple IP addresses behind the NAT. So you're right that you can test for a few more bizarre NAT behaviors with multiple IP addresses, but I haven't seen any

Re: Last Call: draft-housley-iesg-rfc3932bis (IESG Procedures for Handling of Independent and IRTF Stream Submissions) to BCP

2009-08-27 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Jun 2, 2009, at 8:03 , Olaf Kolkman wrote: RFC4846 section 5 uses the word recommend If the IESG, after completing its review, identifies issues, it may recommend explanatory or qualifying text for the RFC Editor to include in the document if it is published. Olaf, I believe this

Re: China venue survey

2009-09-22 Thread Cullen Jennings
Given that the the current Location for IETF 79 is listed as Canada/ China, the correct questions to ask is would people prefer IETF 79 be in Vancouver of Beijing. On Sep 19, 2009, at 9:52 AM, Yaron Sheffer wrote: Hi Ole, The IETF is highly ideological. Probably more so than most other

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meetingof the IETF

2009-09-23 Thread Cullen Jennings
IAOC, I'm trying to understand what is political speech in China. The Geopriv WG deals with protecting users' location privacy. The policies of more than one country have come up in geopriv meetings in very derogatory terms. There have been very derogatory comments made by people about

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-09-23 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Sep 18, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: On Sep 18, 2009, at 11:42 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Should the contents of the Group's activities, visual or audio presentations at the conference,or printed materials used at the conference (which are within the control of the Client)

Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
the meeting in one of theses zones would eliminate the concerns I have raised. On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:45 PM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) wrote: IAOC, I'm trying to understand what is political speech in China. The Geopriv WG deals with protecting users' location privacy. The policies of more than one

Re: [IAOC] Request for community guidance on issue concerning afuture meeting of the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Sep 24, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Ole Jacobsen (ole) wrote: Does your above response mean that the host would not consider slides and oral presentations made during working group sessions to be part of the Group's activities, visual or audio presentations at the conference? Or does your

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning afuture meeting of the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
+1 to Adrian's suggestion. I'd love to hear from people who live in the PRC about any of the legal questions I have raised. Using specific previous IETF discussions seems a fine way to look at it in a very concrete way. So far I have heard in private from more than one person that is not

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:53 AM, John C Klensin wrote: Cullen, For purposes of discussion, one comment below and one addition to your list... --On Monday, October 05, 2009 11:07 -0600 Cullen Jennings flu...@cisco.com wrote: I have done a little digging around on the questions I asked

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: At its base, your exercise seems to be an effort at doing the IAOC's job for it. It's their job to research venue details and make choices and to ensure the logistics for productive IETF meetings. The IETF as a body is not likely to

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a futuremeetingof the IETF

2009-10-05 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Oct 5, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: Cullen Jennings wrote: Well it sounds like we both agree that it is the IAOC job to make sure they have answers to the questions I am raising before making a decision. We are seeing a solid pattern to suggest that U.S. reading skills

Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meetingof the IETF

2009-10-11 Thread Cullen Jennings
the timelines of when you might have an answer for questions you can't currently answer. I don't have any problem with you telling me some of these questions are TSTA (too stupid to answer). Thanks, Cullen On Sep 23, 2009, at 9:45 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote: IAOC, I'm trying to understand what

Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-10-12 Thread Cullen Jennings
On Oct 7, 2009, at 2:07 AM, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: I agree. So-far, we have always assumed that discussions on crypto as well as writing, testing and using code during the meeting were legal in the country. And if they weren't, we'd assume that the local policy would not notice. Henk, just

Re: Last Call: draft-hammer-oauth (The OAuth Core 1.0 Protocol) to Informational RFC

2009-10-27 Thread Cullen Jennings
I'm very confused about the relationship of this draft and the work the OAUTH WG is doing. Can you explain? On Oct 9, 2009, at 15:38 , The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'The OAuth Core 1.0 Protocol '

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns (Multicast DNS) to Informational RFC

2009-11-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
Can someone walk me through the pro/cons of this being standards track vs informational? Thanks, Cullen ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

RIM patents a URN (and ignores IETF IPR rules)

2009-11-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
I'd like to draw peoples attention to the IPR disclosure https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1213 on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-montemurro-gsma-imei-urn The associated patent seems to be http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=O7qXEBAJ Let me point out Mr. Allen is an author of both

RIM patents using a mime body in a message (and ignores IETF IPR rules)

2009-11-18 Thread Cullen Jennings
On October 8, the IESG approved the registration of application/3gpp- ims+xml Media Type. On Nov 2, RIM filed an IPR disclosure related to this at https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1219/ The associated patent, filed Oct 2008, is at http://www.google.com/patents?id=Mk7GEBAJ and the

Re: Last Call: draft-cheshire-dnsext-multicastdns (Multicast DNS) to Informational RFC

2009-11-23 Thread Cullen Jennings
, Cullen Jennings wrote: Can someone walk me through the pro/cons of this being standards track vs informational? Thanks, Cullen ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

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