Re: Comments on draft-eastlake-additional-xmlsec-uris-07.txt

2013-02-07 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2013-02-07 03:48, Donald Eastlake wrote: ... it references RFC Errata, Errata ID 191, RFC 4051 without linking the errata item, and does so normatively even though the document as a whole I'm not sure exactly what you mean here. The errata does appear in the references as [Errata191]

Re: request to make the tools version of the agenda the default

2012-12-03 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-11-30 20:16, Richard Barnes wrote: On Nov 30, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net wrote: John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com writes: I think changing the default is fine. I'd also be reluctant to see the normal HTML version go away immediately but would be especially

Re: Last Call: draft-snell-http-prefer-14.txt (Prefer Header for HTTP) to Proposed Standard

2012-10-26 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-05 17:12, Julian Reschke wrote: Hi James, see below for my (mostly editorial) feedback: I note that there was no reply to this mail, and at least one problem is still present in the latest draft...: 2.2. Examples The following examples illustrate the use of various

Re: [whatwg] New URL Standard from Anne van Kesteren on 2012-09-24 (public-whatwg-arch...@w3.org from September 2012)

2012-10-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-23 02:05, Ian Hickson wrote: ... I suspect it will break nothing, but I guess we'll find out. I don't really understand how it _could_ break anything, so long as the processing of IRI and URIs as defined by IETF is the same in the WHATWG spec, except where software already differs

websockets in the IETF, was: [whatwg] New URL Standard from Anne van Kesteren on 2012-09-24 (public-whatwg-arch...@w3.org from September 2012)

2012-10-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-23 01:59, Ian Hickson wrote: ... Whether WebSockets is a good idea or not is besides the point. The point is that the hybi group was not a pleasant experience for me. If I were to be in a position to do Web Sockets again, I would decline the opportunity to do it through the IETF.

Re: [whatwg] New URL Standard from Anne van Kesteren on 2012-09-24 (public-whatwg-arch...@w3.org from September 2012)

2012-10-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-22 19:55, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2012, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 18/10/2012 02:25, Noah Mendelsohn wrote: On 10/17/2012 7:57 PM, Ian Hickson wrote: Yeah. Turns out we (the Web standards community) haven't been doing such a great job of making our specificatiosn match

Re: [whatwg] New URL Standard from Anne van Kesteren on 2012-09-24 (public-whatwg-arch...@w3.org from September 2012)

2012-10-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-10-22 23:46, Ian Hickson wrote: On Mon, 22 Oct 2012, Julian Reschke wrote: I couldn't agree more! We've been waiting for four years for the URI working group to get their act together and fix the URL mess. Nothing has happened. We lost patience and are now doing it ourselves

Re: Last Call: draft-snell-http-prefer-14.txt (Prefer Header for HTTP) to Proposed Standard

2012-10-05 Thread Julian Reschke
Hi James, see below for my (mostly editorial) feedback: Multiple times: s/header/header field/ 1. Introduction Within the course of processing an HTTP request there are typically a range of required and optional behaviors that a server or intermediary can employ. These often

Re: [whatwg] New URL Standard from Anne van Kesteren on 2012-09-24 (public-whatwg-arch...@w3.org from September 2012)

2012-09-24 Thread Julian Reschke
FYI: Quoting AvK in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-whatwg-archive/2012Sep/0297.html: The plan is to obsolete the RFCs. But yes, I will add some references in the Goals section most likely. Similar to what has been done in the DOM Standard. Note this is about RFC 3986, which is a

Re: [OAUTH-WG] oauth-bearer and rfc 2617/httpbis authentication framework

2012-07-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-07-23 00:33, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hi all, I'd like to check that some recent minor changes to this document [1] don't cause technical or process-grief. The version [2] of the oauth bearer draft that underwent IETF LC and IESG evaluation had a normative dependency on the httpbis wg's

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-07-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-06-21 23:08, Russ Housley wrote: This URL http://www.ietf.org/tao will bring up the current document. It works exactly the same as http://www.ietf.org/tao.html. This means that http://www.ietf.org/tao/archive cannot be used as suggested on this thread. ... Sorry?

Re: Comments for I-D of Publishing the Tao of the IETF as a Web Page

2012-07-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-07-04 16:52, Russ Housley wrote: Julian: Do you object to http://www.ietf.org/tao-archive for the old version of the Tao? Russ No, I was just trying to understand *why* the archive can't be at http://www.ietf.org/tao/archive. Best regards, Julian

Re: Last Call: RFC 2818 (HTTP Over TLS) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-11 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-06-11 22:31, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: ... RFC 2818 is extremely minimal in its description of the 'https' URI scheme. At least draft-ietf-httpbis-p1-messaging is a bit more complete. However, the IANA Considerations of the latter document need to be modified so that they instruct the

Re: abnf discussion list?

2012-05-24 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-05-23 18:56, Dave Crocker wrote: Folks, g'day. There are periodic questions about ABNF that go beyond the specifics of a specification attempting to use it. While these are not hot topics, they do occur periodically. Also, there is support material (software, documentation) for ABNF

Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-05-16 22:29, Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed May 16 21:10:02 2012, Randy Bush wrote: Authors must be fastidious about this. s/this/documents/ RFC 2119 §6 says: Imperatives of the type defined in this memo must be used with care and sparingly. In particular, they MUST only be used where

Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART LC/Telechat review of draft-reschke-http-status-308-05

2012-03-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-03-16 22:06, Ben Campbell wrote: Apologies for the delayed response--the day job got in the way this week. Comments inline: On Mar 12, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-03-12 17:15, Ben Campbell wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background

Re: Last Call: draft-reschke-http-status-308-05.txt (The Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Status Code 308 (Permanent Redirect)) to Experimental RFC

2012-03-17 Thread Julian Reschke
), a warning against attempting to do UA sniffing, plus the inclusion of a note that makes the definition more consistent with what HTTPbis says about status code 307. Feedback appreciated, Julian On 2012-02-17 16:53, Julian Reschke wrote: (FYI) Also, an HTML version with feedback links

Re: Last Call: draft-reschke-http-status-308-05.txt (The Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Status Code 308 (Permanent Redirect)) to Experimental RFC

2012-03-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-03-17 13:50, Julian Reschke wrote: Hi there, the IESG has approved the draft for publication as experimental, but a few details need some tuning. I plan to post a revised draft next Monday (when publication restarts), ... Monday, March 26, actually...

Re: Gen-ART LC/Telechat review of draft-reschke-http-status-308-05

2012-03-13 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-03-12 18:48, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: ... hat type='AD'/ Julian, I think it would be helpful for you to submit your latest copy before the deadline today, so that we don't need to wait until March 26. Done; I usually avoid changing drafts during LC; but I think it makes sense in this

Re: Gen-ART LC/Telechat review of draft-reschke-http-status-308-05

2012-03-12 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-03-12 17:15, Ben Campbell wrote: I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the

Re: Add a link to the HTML version in i-d-announce mails ?

2012-03-06 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-03-06 14:41, Xavier Marjou wrote: As a subscriber of the i-d-annou...@ietf.org list, I generally prefer reading the HTML version of the draft rather than the TXT version. I thus often need to manually rewrite the TXT link to fetch the HTML version of the draft. I can not believe I'm the

Re: Add a link to the HTML version in i-d-announce mails ?

2012-03-06 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-03-06 14:56, Yoav Nir wrote: Even better, also add the XML2RFC output if it's available at the same time: http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-name.html for example, (just picking my own latest draft as an example): http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-nir-websec-extended-origin-02.html +1 I

Re: Add a link to the HTML version in i-d-announce mails ?

2012-03-06 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-03-06 16:26, Yoav Nir wrote: The XML2RFC version is not linked from there. If that was added to the Other versions field, that would be great. ... Indeed. HTMLized plain text is progress over plain text, but properly generated HTML is better. But I fear we're getting close to our

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13.txt (FLUTE - File Delivery over Unidirectional Transport) to Proposed Standard

2012-02-29 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-29 16:53, Vincent Roca wrote: Hello Julian, I note that draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised is on the agenda. Just wanted to note that I haven't seen any feedback to my LC comments on the ietf-discuss mailing list... I didn't see you initial email (I'm not not on the ietf@ietf.org

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-26 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-26 10:44, Yoav Nir wrote: ... Could you please explain why you think tying this effort to HTTP/2.0 is necessary to achieve that? To me that's the critical bit, and I still haven't seen the reasoning (perhaps I missed it). I think I have *an* answer to this, though probably not

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-25 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-25 14:46, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... Yeah that's a tricky one. While one might like to see one or more in both places that might not be practical. In the proposal above the goal is that httpbis pick one or more but recognising the reality that we might not get a new proposal that

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-25 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-25 15:13, Stephen Farrell wrote: On 02/25/2012 02:03 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-02-25 14:46, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... Yeah that's a tricky one. While one might like to see one or more in both places that might not be practical. In the proposal above the goal

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-25 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-25 18:44, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... I don't think fixing or changing the framework will give us better auth schemes by itself. (Better auth schemes may or may not require changes to the framework, I dunno.) So I think you're raising a side issue here really. ... Well, I'm one of

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-22 18:01, RJ Atkinson wrote: Earlier, Barry Leiba wrote, in part: What we're looking at here is the need for an HTTP authentication system that (for example) doesn't send reusable credentials, is less susceptible to spoofing attacks, and so on. +1 More generally, I support the

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-23 23:33, Doug Barton wrote: I don't *quite* go back 2 decades, but a big +1 to all my experiences with bolt-on security have been bad. bolt-on != modular/optional If you want to require security in whatever comes out of this activity, you better define what security means, and

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-22 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-22 08:04, David Morris wrote: On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Michael Richardson wrote: Barry == Barry Leibabarryle...@computer.org writes: Barry OAuth is an authorization framework, not an authentication Barry one. Please be careful to make the distinction. Barry

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-21 19:26, Stephen Farrell wrote: Down below, for the proposed HTTP/2.0 work it says: * Reflecting modern security requirements and practices In some earlier discussion I asked what modern means there. It seems to mean at least working well with TLS, but I'm not sure what else is

Re: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-21 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-21 19:37, Stephen Farrell wrote: ... I believe this should be orthogonal to HTTP/2.0. Is there a specific thing that makes it impossible to use the existing authentication framework? Who knows? We don't have a protocol on the table yet. I would imagine that some level of backwards

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13.txt (FLUTE - File Delivery over Unidirectional Transport) to Proposed Standard

2012-02-20 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-02-11 01:48, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Reliable Multicast Transport WG (rmt) to consider the following document: - 'FLUTE - File Delivery over Unidirectional Transport' draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make

Re: Last Call: draft-reschke-http-status-308-05.txt (The Hypertext Transfer Protocol (HTTP) Status Code 308 (Permanent Redirect)) to Experimental RFC

2012-02-17 Thread Julian Reschke
(FYI) Also, an HTML version with feedback links is available at http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/draft-reschke-http-status-308-05.html. Best regards, Julian On 2012-02-17 15:45, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document:

Re: secdir review of draft-nottingham-http-new-status-03

2012-01-30 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-30 16:05, Stephen Hanna wrote: Mark, I don't want to rehash the discussion that we've already had. Clearly, you prefer brevity while I would prefer education in this instance. I can live with your text for status codes 428, 429, and 431. For 511, I don't think it's adequate to just

Re: secdir review of draft-nottingham-http-new-status-03

2012-01-30 Thread Julian Reschke
code is used or not. As such, it *could* be added to Appendix B. Best regards, Julian On 2012-01-30 16:22, Stephen Hanna wrote: Yes -Steve -Original Message- From: Julian Reschke [mailto:julian.resc...@gmx.de] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:10 AM To: Stephen Hanna Cc: Mark

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The

2012-01-25 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-25 03:14, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: ... +1 ... If you want to keep the distinction, you should offer an argument why this is something individual schemes should regulate (since having the same rules for all schemes is much simpler). ... Exactly. I've been asking this many times,

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-24 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-23 16:58, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2012-01-23 16:46, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Web Authorization Protocol WG (oauth) to consider the following document: - 'The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens' draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-24 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-25 01:03, Mike Jones wrote: Per the discussion at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/oauth/current/msg08040.html, the working group's rationale for supporting quoted-string but not token syntax for these parameters, and for requiring that backslash ('\') quoting not be used when

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-23 16:46, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Web Authorization Protocol WG (oauth) to consider the following document: - 'The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens' draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt as a Proposed Standard ... Please see my

Re: [OAUTH-WG] Last Call: draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-15.txt (The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer Tokens) to Proposed Standard

2012-01-23 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-23 18:24, Mike Jones wrote: As editor of the Oauth Bearer spec, I believe that these comments have been well understood and considered by the working group. I do understand that the working group's consensus position is different than Julian's. See these notes documenting that

Re: Last Call: draft-ishikawa-yrpunl-ucode-urn-01.txt (A URN Namespace For The ucode) to Informational RFC

2012-01-18 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-17 19:27, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: Hello, Having reviewed this document, I think there is no problem with its publication. Several tiny comments: 1) RFID in the Introduction needs expanding at first use. 2) ucode-value = 32hex-decimal hex-decimal = 0 / 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6

Re: secdir review of draft-nottingham-http-new-status-03

2012-01-13 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-13 20:59, Stephen Hanna wrote: I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2012-01-01 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-01 09:25, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: Julian, all, When I came to fixing the examples section per received comments, I first began to refine the example on references to separate disclosures, and what I got was: html ... Please visit a rel=disclosure

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2012-01-01 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2012-01-01 19:13, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Thomas Roessler wrote: I'm not interested in a game of process nomics. If you are not interested in discussing whether it was premature ... to request publication of this document as an RFC then don't suggest that it was? The IETF is currently

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2011-12-29 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-27 07:52, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: Hello, I'd like to seek consensus on separating the semantics of link relation for separate disclosure and a list thereof, correspondingly defining two link relations - 'disclosure' and 'disclosure-list'. You may see my edits made to Section 2 of

Re: Last Call: draft-nottingham-http-new-status-03.txt (Additional HTTP Status Codes) to Proposed Standard

2011-12-16 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-16 17:57, Riccardo Bernardini wrote: Hi all, just a couple of doubts about this draft 1) In Section 3 (about code 428 Precondition Required) it is said that Responses using this status code SHOULD explain how to resubmit the request successfully. The example shown in Section 3 shows

Re: Last Call: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-06.txt (Collection Synchronization for WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2011-12-14 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-14 17:06, Cyrus Daboo wrote: Hi Julian, --On December 14, 2011 12:10:27 AM +0100 Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: On 2011-12-02 00:41, The IESG wrote: ... Abstract This specification defines an extension to WebDAV that allows efficient synchronization of the contents

Re: Last Call: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-06.txt (Collection Synchronization for WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2011-12-14 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-14 18:01, Ken Murchison wrote: Cyrus Daboo wrote: I am not convinced the use of Depth in sync report is violating the definition in 3253. In some ways it is a matter of how you look at the sync. Your viewpoint is that the report asks the collection for its changes - in that case,

Re: Last Call: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-06.txt (Collection Synchronization for WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2011-12-14 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-14 18:27, Cyrus Daboo wrote: Hi Julian, --On December 14, 2011 5:29:16 PM +0100 Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: I am not convinced the use of Depth in sync report is violating the definition in 3253. In some ways it is a matter of how you look at the It does. RFC

Re: Last Call: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-06.txt (Collection Synchronization for WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2011-12-14 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-14 18:34, Cyrus Daboo wrote: Hi Ken, --On December 14, 2011 12:29:18 PM -0500 Ken Murchison mu...@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: D:sync-result ... other collection props the report asked for ... D:sync-tokenhttp://example.com/ns/sync/1234/D:sync-token /D:sync-result I don't necessarily

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2011-12-13 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-13 20:07, Mykyta Yevstifeyev (М. Євстіфеєв) wrote: ... Maybe it's worth pointing out that this does not apply as verbatim instruction, but as HTML example. I have that - in source code. Maybe I should add in HTML source code? The latter sounds good. It would be good to confirm

Last Call: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-06.txt (Collection Synchronization for WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2011-12-13 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2010-06-08 09:14, Julian Reschke wrote: On 07.06.2010 17:11, Werner Donné wrote: Hi, I don't see why Depth:infinity should be ruled out from the start. You can let the server decide if the performance penalty is too high or not. A server with a relational system underneath it, for example

Re: Last Call: draft-daboo-webdav-sync-06.txt (Collection Synchronization for WebDAV) to Proposed Standard

2011-12-13 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-02 00:41, The IESG wrote: ... Abstract This specification defines an extension to WebDAV that allows efficient synchronization of the contents of a WebDAV collection. - Expand acronyms on first use. Typically, the first time a client connects to the server it will

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2011-12-11 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-09 18:58, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type' draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt as an Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2011-12-11 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-11 15:19, Mykyta Yevstifeyev (М. Євстіфеєв) wrote: 11.12.2011 16:13, Julian Reschke wrote: On 2011-12-09 18:58, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type' draft-yevstifeyev

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2011-12-11 Thread Julian Reschke
Hi there, feedback below: 1. Introduction RFC 5988 [RFC5988] defined a way of indicating relationships between resources on the Web. This document specifies a new type of such relationship - 'disclosure' Link Relation Type. It designates a list of patent disclosures or a

Re: Last Call: draft-yevstifeyev-disclosure-relation-00.txt (The 'disclosure' Link Relation Type) to Informational RFC

2011-12-11 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-12-11 21:05, Julian Reschke wrote: Hi there, feedback below: ... Forgot one more thing. The registry already contains the copyright link relation; maybe it would be good to explain who these are different. Best regards, Julian ___ Ietf

Re: the success of MIME types was Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-29 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-29 09:32, t.petch wrote: ... You will be aware of the recent threads on apps-discuss about MIME types (of ... Internet Media Types :-) ... which the text/plain you mention is one) which concluded, AFAICS, that there is no rationale why a (top level) type should or should not

Re: discouraged by .docx

2011-11-29 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-27 19:38, Frank Ellermann wrote: ... bandwidth plans. PDF/A is an unrelated goal, e.g., I don't care about the monospaced font details as long as it is monospaced and can handle the simple i18n examples in IRIbis or EAI presentations. ... Hear, hear.

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-26 21:52, Yaakov Stein wrote: That leaves ASCII, a few forms of PDF, and RFC 5198-conforming UTF-8. That wouldn't bother me much, but be careful what you wish form. What we have been told is that the rationale behind the use of ASCII and several other formats is that they will

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-27 09:20, Yaakov Stein wrote: Dave I agree that we are thinking as content creators, and that is the problem. The requirement is not that we will be able to write a new document in 50 years in the same format. The requirement is that we should be able to read the documents written

Re: text/lp [was Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again]

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-27 17:20, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The problem here is that RFC and Internet-Drafts are not plain ASCII. They are technically in a special format that I would call line-printer ready text file, and ASCII is the encoding, not the

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-28 18:21, Ted Ts'o wrote: On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 06:12:42PM +0100, Julian Reschke wrote: What's important is that things that *should* work well on small displays, such a reflowing prose paragraphs, and re-pagination, do so. This is where text/plain fails big (and HTML does

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-28 18:46, Eric Burger wrote: Hacking text display applications when HTML was designed for it already and most RFC's natively generate HTML (xml2rfc), do we really have a problem to solve? ... If all documents were submitted in xml2rfc format (or something equally expressive): not

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-28 19:24, Theodore Tso wrote: On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: It requires a format that does allow reflowing and repagination. HTML does, PDF/A does, text/plain does not (maybe RFC 2646 would help, maybe not). text/plain is what we use, and that's a problem

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-28 20:29, John C Klensin wrote: --On Monday, November 28, 2011 18:27 +0100 Julian Reschke julian.resc...@gmx.de wrote: That's more of an attribute of the text reader than any thing else. I've had readers that reflow text just fine --- far better than PDF, at any rate

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-28 20:44, Martin Rex wrote: ... The real problem is buggy software for displaying on small displays. Reflowing ASCII is *no* problem whenever ASCII text is reflowable at all. It can be done in 1-2 KByte of code. Displaying HTML or XML But our format currently is not reflowable.

Re: discouraged by .docx was Re: Plagued by PPTX again

2011-11-28 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-11-28 22:09, Martin Rex wrote: Julian Reschke wrote: On 2011-11-28 20:44, Martin Rex wrote: ... The real problem is buggy software for displaying on small displays. Reflowing ASCII is *no* problem whenever ASCII text is reflowable at all. It can be done in 1-2 KByte of code

XML-based registry format, Re: Re: watersprings.org archive of expired Internet Drafts

2011-10-10 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-10-10 11:23, t.petch wrote: Julian On a thread on this list some time ago, IANA reported progress in converting their web site to XML and at the same time, apologised for how long it now takes to access the Port Registry. Having accessed it - a good chance to complete The Times

Re: watersprings.org archive of expired Internet Drafts

2011-10-08 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-10-08 09:20, t.petch wrote: ... I want an I-D and I know fairly accurately what it is called although my reference might be to an out-of-date version, or perhaps to a version that is yet to be adopted by a WG with a consequent name change. The brilliance of watersprings was I could go

Re: Last Call: draft-melnikov-mmhs-header-fields-04.txt (Registration of Military Message Handling System (MMHS) header fields for use in Internet Mail) to Informational RFC

2011-09-15 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-15 18:46, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: ... 9) I'd like you hereby disallowed further registration of header fields beginning with MMHS, likewise RFC 5504 Downgraded prefix (http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5504#page-18). ... No. It's a bad idea in RFC 5504, and it would be a bad idea

Re: [hybi] IESG note?, was: Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-06 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-03 20:51, Joel Martin wrote: Roy, You may feel that the wording of your note is not pejorative (because what you wanted to say is so much more so), but the tone and wording come across that way even if it is technically accurate. Having a note in the spec that WebSocket connections

Re: Who raised the bar? [Conclusion of the last call on draft-housley-two-maturity-levels]

2011-09-06 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-07 00:01, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 2011-09-07 09:35, Ted Hardie wrote: ... My personal opinion for some time has been that we ought to recognize that the previous PS moved into WG draft years ago and that anything named an RFC should be recognized as something that market will

Re: [websec] Last Call: draft-ietf-websec-origin-04.txt (The Web Origin Concept) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-03 21:13, Adam Barth wrote: On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Roy T. Fieldingfield...@gbiv.com wrote: On Aug 23, 2011, at 2:19 PM, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Web Security WG (websec) to consider the following document: - 'The Web Origin Concept'

IESG note?, was: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-03 Thread Julian Reschke
Hi, I believe that almost everything Roy says below is non-controversial; if we can tune the language to be less offensive it might fit well into the Introduction (and not require an IESG Note to get into the document). Best regards, Julian On 2011-09-01 21:55, Roy T. Fielding wrote: I

Re: IESG note?, was: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-03 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-03 12:54, Julian Reschke wrote: Hi, I believe that almost everything Roy says below is non-controversial; if we can tune the language to be less offensive it might fit well into the Introduction (and not require an IESG Note to get into the document). Best regards, Julian ... Like

Re: [websec] Last Call: draft-ietf-websec-origin-04.txt (The Web Origin Concept) to Proposed Standard

2011-09-02 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-09-02 12:20, Adam Barth wrote: I replied to Julian's message on a W3C list. Julian, is there more discussion you'd like to have about these points? ... Well, as discussed, the syntax of the Origin header makes it hard to detect errors which happen when multiple instances get folded

Re: Limitations in RFC Errata mechanism

2011-08-31 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-31 06:05, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: ... Well, a reasonable argument. At Appendix A of draft-rfc-editor-errata-process-02 (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rfc-editor-errata-process-02#appendix-A) I found a proposal from Brian Carpenter to point to errata list in the RFC itself,

Re: [websec] Last Call: draft-ietf-websec-origin-04.txt (The Web Origin Concept) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-25 Thread Julian Reschke
Below a few late comments.. 6. Serializing Origins - It really really seems that the two algorithms need to be swapped (the first one converts to ASCII, but the second does not). - Also, I'd prefer a declarative definition. 7. The HTTP Origin header - header *field* - the syntax doesn't

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-05 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 16:12, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bill McQuillan [mcqui...@pobox.com] Perhaps it could be included in the ID-Announce message. In a lot of situations, the I-D submission tool knows the name of the relevant

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 09:11, Bill McQuillan wrote: On Wed, 2011-08-03, Hector Santos wrote: I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development

Re: I-D Working groups and mailing list

2011-08-04 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-08-04 16:11, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: From: Hector Santos I would like to propose that new I-D submissions include information about the existence of a Working Group, if any, and/or discussion group list address, if any, for to join and participate in the development of the I-D or

HTTP header field and upgrade token definitions, was: Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-11 16:02, The IESG wrote: ... This is a set of comments on how the specification defines new HTTP header fields and the upgrade token. 1) In the IANA considerations section, please group subsections by registrations and new registries. 2) Specification document(s) should

Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today

2011-07-15 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-11 16:50, Internet-Drafts Administrator wrote: This is a reminder that the Internet Draft Final Submission (version -01 and up) cut-off is today, July 11, 2011. All Final Version (-01 and up) submissions are due by 17:00 PT (00:00 UTC). ... Out of curiosity - why do we still see

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-12 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-11 16:02, The IESG wrote: .. I believe Section 11 (IANA Considerations) should be grouped to into URI scheme registrations, HTTP header field registrations, and new registries. Best regards, Julian ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-12 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-12 06:40, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: ... Throughout the document: _This section is non-normative._ are quite unusual. Such statements occur at the beginning of Introduction, which is meant to be nob-normative a priori, its subsections, and Section 4.7, Examples. These sections,

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-12 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-12 09:48, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/7/12 Mykyta Yevstifeyevevniki...@gmail.com: Sec-WebSocket-Extensions: bar; baz=2 is exactly equivalent to Sec-WebSocket-Extensions: foo, bar; baz=2 These two examples don't match the aforementioned ABNF; the space

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-12 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-12 10:23, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/7/12 Julian Reschkejulian.resc...@gmx.de: That being said, I'm not happy with extension-param = token [ = token ] In HTTP header fields, parameters usually support both token and quoted-string form. Right. Making this special

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-12 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-12 11:09, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: ... Section 5.2.2, bullet 3, sub-bullet 4. When defining the ABNF for a header, the header name should be included in it as well. So the first line should be: ... Why? There is the following formulation: The 'Foo' headers takes the form of

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-11 Thread Julian Reschke
Hi, this document has an informative reference to an unstable document at http://dev.w3.org/html5/websockets/. It should be replaced by a reference to the actual W3C WG's Working Draft: http://www.w3.org/TR/websockets/ (and potentially marked work in progress). Best regards, Julian

Re: reading drafts on an ipad

2011-07-09 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-07-08 21:10, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: I saw xml2rfc now has the option to convert to epub, which would make it easy to read drafts on the iPad and other mobile devices, but unfortunately when I tried to convert a draft it didn't work. Same here. It gives a bunch of error messages.

Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

2011-06-24 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-24 20:27, Martin Rex wrote: ... Yes, I know that this is currently not easy for the one doing the write-up. Maybe this could be simplified by the IETF Mailing List exploder to _first_ put a message in the mailing list archive, obtain a URL into the archive for it and then send out

Re: RFC production center XML format usage, was: [IAOC] xml2rfc and legal services RFPs

2011-06-24 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-02-23 11:09, Julian Reschke wrote: ... I just realized that I have an archive of XML versions of RFCs in AUTH48 state; so I *can* report the percentage of XML versions since ~RFC5000. Note that these may be inaccurate (for instance, not all RFC numbers get assigned, right?); it just

Re: Why ask for IETF Consensus on a WG document?

2011-06-24 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-24 20:55, Martin Rex wrote: Julian Reschke wrote: On 2011-06-24 20:27, Martin Rex wrote: ... Yes, I know that this is currently not easy for the one doing the write-up. Maybe this could be simplified by the IETF Mailing List exploder to _first_ put a message in the mailing list

Re: Last Call: draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06.txt (The 'about' URI scheme) to Proposed Standard

2011-06-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-17 06:01, Barry Leiba wrote: More substantively, I fail to understand how this specification proposes to create a class of reserved about: URIs when the about: scheme seems to be internal information to an application. I think the Security Considerations section doesn't address any

Re: Last Call: draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06.txt (The 'about' URI scheme) to Proposed Standard

2011-06-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-17 06:37, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: ... I suppose adding it as an IANA-registered scheme, referencing something that's Informational, is a reasonable way for a new browser implementer to be reminded that support for such a scheme is common and probably expected. ... Optimally, we

Re: Last Call: draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06.txt (The 'about' URI scheme) to Proposed Standard

2011-06-17 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-17 06:32, Boris Zbarsky wrote: ... and because the normalization is not defined in the spec. Normalization is defined in RFC 3986. Browsers don't actually implement RFC 3986 in practice because it's not compatible with web content, last I checked Pretending like they do

Re: Last Call: draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-06.txt (The 'about' URI scheme) to Proposed Standard

2011-06-16 Thread Julian Reschke
On 2011-06-16 10:59, Lachlan Hunt wrote: On 2011-06-15 17:59, Boris Zbarsky wrote: On 6/15/11 5:07 AM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote: The point of this comment is to propose abandoning normalization of 'about' URIs because of some ad hoc behavior of an only application - Gecko. No, it's to

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