Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-23 Thread Scott O Bradner
I did it once - it took 2 or 3 hours *it was quite a while back and I do not remember) there were no significant expenses - the depo was in Boston my only expense was a few hours parking - the depo was done in the office of the law firm that was providing the IETF with pro-bono legal services

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-23 Thread Scott O Bradner
I did not do them any favor - I did the IETF a favor (as the then ISOC VP for Standards) Scott On Jul 22, 2012, at 4:43 PM, John R Levine wrote: I did it once - it took 2 or 3 hours *it was quite a while back and I do not remember) there were no significant expenses - the depo was in

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: In theory yes, a signed document would be sufficient. In practice it would then require an expert witness at $400/hr to explain that it meant it was authentic. The depositions are typically to state that the RFC's

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread John Levine
Yes, we typically then point out that much of what they want is available on line, and frequently negotiate with opposing counsel to moderate demands for depositions, etc., but, in the end, we propose, the judge and opposing counsel dispose. That won't change. I'd want to set the depo rate

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:31 AM, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: Yes, we typically then point out that much of what they want is available on line, and frequently negotiate with opposing counsel to moderate demands for depositions, etc., but, in the end, we propose, the judge and opposing

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Jul 22, 2012, at 21:38, Marshall Eubanks wrote: IETF volunteers will not be paid from these fees. I've been following this discussion only with one ear, but, I can't figure out why somebody would volunteer to do this. Grüße, Carsten

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread John R Levine
For people with unique skills or knowledge, $800/hr is not unusual. So long as the rate is published ahead of time, you're not going to get much argument. (Yes, we know it's high. But we've already told you how to download stuff yourself for free.) Please note : out of pocket expenses (if

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread John R Levine
I did it once - it took 2 or 3 hours *it was quite a while back and I do not remember) there were no significant expenses - the depo was in Boston my only expense was a few hours parking - the depo was done in the office of the law firm that was providing the IETF with pro-bono legal services

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread John R Levine
I did not do them any favor - I did the IETF a favor (as the then ISOC VP for Standards) Really, if you didn't make the opposing party pay for your time, you did them a favor. It's absolutely expected to pay hostile witnesses for their depo time. (If nobody mentioned it, why would they offer

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-22 Thread David Morris
Yeah, with what the lawyers in the room are getting per hour, there is no reason to volunteer as an expert wittness. Ever. Even if you are there on behalf of the IETF, if the IETF prevails, they can only recover costs they incurred and if they don't, make a donation. On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, John R

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-20 Thread Bob Hinden
Richard, On Jul 20, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Richard L. Barnes wrote: On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: On 7/20/2012 7:25 AM, Richard L. Barnes wrote: We have the technology. Surely a CMS signed object (or even just an HTTPS download) would provide adequate authentication that

Re: [IAOC] Feedback Requested on Draft Fees Policy

2012-07-20 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Marshall Jiankang Yao - Original Message - From: IETF Administrative Director i...@ietf.org To: IETF Announcement List ietf-annou...@ietf.org Cc: i...@ietf.org; i...@iab.org; ietf@ietf.org; wgcha...@ietf.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 9:07 PM Subject: Feedback Requested on Draft