Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Keith Moore
On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve) wrote: Its 'rough' consensus... I don't wanna rat-hole here, but imho send the draft onwards for publication asap please. I'm not even sure it's rough consensus within the v6ops group. Again, haven't read all of the messages, but

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Keith Moore wrote: On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve) wrote: Its 'rough' consensus... I don't wanna rat-hole here, but imho send the draft onwards for publication asap please. I'm not even sure it's rough consensus within the v6ops

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Roger Jørgensen
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve) wrote: Its 'rough' consensus... I don't wanna rat-hole here, but imho send the draft onwards for publication asap please. I'm not even sure it's rough

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Keith Moore
On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: If you disagree the wg chairs conclusions as far as the wg process outcome and the document shepherds report which can you can find here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic/history/ Then you should consider

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Keith Moore
On Jun 9, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Roger Jørgensen wrote: I will claim our goal is native IPv6 along IPv4, and in the long run, IPv6 only. We don't need more tunneling of IPv6 over IPv4, that was okay 10years ago, maybe even 5 or 3 years ago. Now it is time to actual do the right thing and say

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jun 9, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Keith Moore wrote: - the criteria for standards track actions (which this is, despite the document being labeled as Informational) requires both rough consensus and technical soundness. Informational status was at the behest of the iesg, we have been advised

RE: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve)
Its 'rough' consensus... I don't wanna rat-hole here, but imho send the draft onwards for publication asap please. G/ -Original Message- From: v6ops-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:v6ops-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Keith Moore Sent: 09 June 2011 16:38 To: james woodyatt Cc: v6...@ietf.org

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 11:05:29AM -0400, Keith Moore wrote: The best way to not rat-hole is just to drop the proposed action. One voice doesn't make it consensus to drop. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- did you enable IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG

Re: [v6ops] Last Call: draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 Thread Keith Moore
On Jun 9, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote: I don't have a problem with the idea that an Informational document can describe the consequences of moving something to Historic. I have a serious problem with the idea that a standards-track document can be moved off of the standards