I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
I've puzzled by this statement nomcom did a bad job.
How could we, people outside of noncom, know that they did a bad job?
They are the only ones who have all the
On 3/9/13 1:46 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
I've puzzled by this statement nomcom did a bad job.
How could we, people outside of noncom, know that they did a bad job?
I have a huge number of concerns with Russ's message and am frustrated
and disappointed when I think about this year's nomcom process. I just
sent a message to the nomcom and iab about one of my concerns, and would
like to ask you whether you think you should do the same. I
specifically ask you
On 3/6/2013 4:26 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
However, there is something you can do. Take a quick moment to look at
the set of nominees and consider what you know about their
qualifications.
...
I'd also appreciate private feedback on how I could improve my approach
for raising this concern. I'm
Dave, it seems to me that with your suggestion it feels as if
you (or we the community) want to redo some of the nomcom work?
I.e. you do not trust their evaluations?
They also have received (I presume) lots of feedback on the candidates
and probably did some interviews. We do not have that
-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Crocker
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:57 AM
To: hartmans-i...@mit.edu
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
On 3/6/2013 4:26 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
However, there is something you can do. Take a quick moment to look
Dave == Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net writes:
Dave And I have a further suggestion, which some other folk and I
Dave happened to have discussed privately some time ago and
Dave unrelated to the specific TSV situation...
Dave There's an option available that the candidates
On 3/6/2013 6:03 AM, Bert Wijnen (IETF) wrote:
Dave, it seems to me that with your suggestion it feels as if
you (or we the community) want to redo some of the nomcom work?
I.e. you do not trust their evaluations?
They also have received (I presume) lots of feedback on the candidates
and
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Eric Gray
eric.g...@ericsson.com wrote:
...
So far, it has not been any part of the normal duties of an
IESG member or AD to hold press conferences, glad-handing with
the masses, baby kissing, etc.
...
I can't speak to baby kissing but the
-
From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Eric Gray eric.g...@ericsson.com
wrote:
...
So far
To: Eric Gray
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Eric Gray eric.g...@ericsson.com
wrote:
...
So far, it has not been any part of the normal duties of an IESG
member or AD to hold press
to do...
--
Eric
-Original Message-
From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Eric
Eric,
On 06/03/2013 14:29, Eric Gray wrote:
John,
I considered this before making my reply, especially in light of a
number of recent
events with which I am intimately familiar.
To become the Chair of the IESG involves a second level of selection
that is much
more
Eric: you may be thinking of the IAB chair. IETF chair / Gen AD is selected by
the noncom, whereas the IAB chair is selected by IAB members (from the pool of
the IAB members).
[Baby kissing? Now there is a job requirement that I missed… :-) ]
Jari
-Original Message-
From: John C Klensin [mailto:john-i...@jck.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:22 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 14:16 + Eric Gray eric.g
Thanks.
-Original Message-
From: Margaret Wasserman [mailto:m...@lilacglade.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:46 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Hi Eric,
The IETF Chair (who also chairs
: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
On 06/03/2013 14:29, Eric Gray wrote:
John,
I considered this before making my reply, especially in light of a
number of recent events with which I am intimately familiar.
To become the Chair of the IESG involves
Thanks, Mary.
-Original Message-
From: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:40 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
You are describing the process
:-)
-Original Message-
From: Donald Eastlake [mailto:d3e...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:37 AM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
As far as I know, that's completely wrong. The IETF Chair
Hi Sam,
I think the Nomcom has made the right decision to bring the job requirement
discussion to the community.
The discussion about the evolution of the Transport Area had also been very
insightful to me.
I hope you provided your feedback to the Nomcom when they asked for it.
Ciao
On 3/6/2013 6:17 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
Dave == Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net writes:
Dave Candidates could choose to circulate the first part
Dave publicly.
I think having a public discussion of specific candidates would be
undesirable.
Just to be clear: I am not
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
On 3/6/2013 6:17 AM, Sam Hartman wrote:
Dave == Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net writes:
Dave Candidates could choose to circulate the first part
Dave publicly.
I think having a public discussion of
On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
Melinda
On 3/6/2013 9:05 AM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
just because one nomcom did a bad job (and I agree they did).
It has always
Hi,
Just to be clear: I am not suggesting public discussion. I'm suggesting
that candidates make their responses available to the community, so the
community can have additional information for providing feedback to the
Nomcom.
I agree with Dave on this.
I try to give feedback on the
as it should be).
--
Eric
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From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Hinden
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:45 PM
To: dcroc...@bbiw.net
Cc: Bob Hinden; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Hi,
Just
Sam,
Thanks for raising this issue. The issue about what kind of candidates are
suitable for the task.
However, even if you asked us to not reply to your mail on the public list, I
wanted to do it for one aspect. I have a suggestion that relates to who you are
directing your criticism to.
--On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 09:35 -0800 Dave Crocker
d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
...
It has always been an election process. Nomcom does the
voting.
Candidates formulate their questionnaire responses and their
Nomcom interviews in a manner to cast themselves in the most
appealing light.
Cc: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Bob,
This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able to
give feedback on someone you don't know if you knew what they might
have to say about themselves?
I would think that - if you don't
; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Hi,
Just to be clear: I am not suggesting public discussion. I'm suggesting
that candidates make their responses available to the community, so the
community can have additional information for providing feedback
to disclose.
:-)
--
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Mary Barnes [mailto:mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:22 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric
Of
Mary Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:22 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Eric,
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Eric Gray eric.g...@ericsson.com
wrote:
Bob,
This confuses me
Eric,
On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Eric Gray wrote:
Bob,
This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able to give
feedback on someone
you don't know if you knew what they might have to say about themselves?
I would think that - if you don't know somebody - you
Okay, thanks Bob. This makes sense...
-Original Message-
From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:36 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Eric Gray eric.g...@ericsson.com wrote:
Bob,
This confuses me. Are you saying that you would be more able
to give feedback on someone you don't know if you knew what they might
]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:36 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Eric Gray wrote:
Bob,
This confuses me. Are you saying that you
: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:36 PM
To: Eric Gray
Cc: Bob Hinden; dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Nomcom off in the wilderness: Transport AD
Importance: High
Eric,
On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:59 PM, Eric Gray wrote:
Bob
On 03/06/2013 05:05 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like process
Speaking as someone who's filled in these things and both been
selected
On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
On this specific point ...
Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose
(presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's
confidentiality obligations when needed) truly confidential
material such as future job prospects or even plans
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Spencer Dawkins
spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote:
On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
On this specific point ...
Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose
(presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's
confidentiality obligations
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Spencer Dawkins
spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote:
On 3/6/2013 3:11 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
On this specific point ...
Less likely, but still possible, a candidate may disclose
(presumably with permission based on the Nomcom's
confidentiality obligations
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Stephen Farrell
stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie wrote:
On 03/06/2013 05:05 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On 3/6/13 4:57 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
Candidates could choose to circulate the first part publicly.
I'm really, really against turning this into an election-like
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