Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-16 Thread jfcm
At 23:42 08/12/03, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: I'm not sure if it needs to be a /32 or if it needs to be just a single one, but I fully agree this should be documented very well and in a central place. Buried somewhere on a RIR website isn't good enough. (Try finding the the micro allocation

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-16 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 16-dec-03, at 12:06, jfcm wrote: I suggest ISO should define an international trans network numbering scheme that could be adopted as the IPv6.010 numbering plan, the same way as the ccTLD list is the ISO 3166 2 letters list, and IDNA uses unicodes etc. The ISO is already in charge of NSAP

RE: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-13 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Joao Damas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BIG SNIP No, no and definitely no!!! It is one thing to put all IXP prefixes in the same block, after all it does not matter if they are not seen in the global Internet as, in fact, they should not be

Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-12 Thread Sascha Lenz
Hay, On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:16:03PM +0100, Gert Doering wrote: Hi, On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:01:53PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: There are currently quite some ISP's who filter anything /35. Generally ISP's should be filtering on allocation boundaries. Thus if a certain prefix is

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-11 Thread leo vegoda
leo vegoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I don't think it's clear that the wording in the IPv6 policy document should be improved. It's a bit ambiguous at the moment. We're keen to help improve the text. An extra don't slipped in there. Sorry, -- leo vegoda RIPE NCC Registration Services

Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-11 Thread Joao Damas
On 9 Dec, 2003, at 2:20, Jeroen Massar wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [2 mails into one again] Bill Manning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % Expect to see routers being optimized that will only route % the upper 64bits of the address, so you might not want to do % anything smaller

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-11 Thread leo vegoda
Hi Bill, Bill Manning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Leo, this is the text we use for IX delegations. For CI uses, transit of said prefix is a valid injection. -- Exchange Point Announcement Statement Our statement regarding the injection

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 10-dec-03, at 10:28, leo vegoda wrote: http://lacnic.net/en/chapter-4.html http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/ipv6-address-policy http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-policies.html http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv6_policy.html http://www.iana.org/ipaddress/ipv6-allocation-policy-26jun02 In fact, we

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread leo vegoda
Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8-dec-03, at 21:00, Paul Vixie wrote: for example, bill says above that /35 routes are being discouraged and that's probably true but by whom? and where? It is generally understood in the routing community that some kind of prefix length

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread leo vegoda
Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10-dec-03, at 10:28, leo vegoda wrote: http://lacnic.net/en/chapter-4.html http://ftp.apnic.net/apnic/docs/ipv6-address-policy http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ipv6-policies.html http://www.arin.net/policy/ipv6_policy.html

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread Bill Manning
% We assign small networks to IXPs. % % The document has the following in it reflecting this: % % CIDR block Smallest RIPE NCCSmallest RIPE NCC % Allocation Assignment % 2001:0600::/23 /35 /48 % % Again, if people feel

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-10 Thread Masataka Ohta
Bill Manning; % Expect to see routers being optimized that will only route % the upper 64bits of the address, so you might not want to do % anything smaller than that. This, if it happens, will be exactly opposed to the IPv6 design goal, which was to discourage/prohibit hardware/software

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Bill Manning
% (i personally don't think a /35 route with just one host in it makes % much sense, % % Agree. /35 routes are being discouraged in favor of /32 entries... 4,064,000,000 addresses to ensure that just one host -might- have global reachability. IMHO, a /48 is even

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Paul Vixie
/35 routes are being discouraged in favor of /32 entries... 4,064,000,000 addresses to ensure that just one host -might- have global reachability. IMHO, a /48 is even overkill... :) i think the important points for ietf@ to know about are (a) that this is an open issue, (b)

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Bill Manning
% /35 routes are being discouraged in favor of /32 entries... % 4,064,000,000 addresses to ensure that just one host -might- % have global reachability. IMHO, a /48 is even overkill... :) % % i think the important points for ietf@ to know about are (a) that this % is an open

RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Paul Vixie wrote: /35 routes are being discouraged in favor of /32 entries... 4,064,000,000 addresses to ensure that just one host -might- have global reachability. IMHO, a /48 is even overkill... :) i think the important points for ietf@

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread John Stracke
Bill Manning wrote: % b) that it's generally agreed that all the RIR's ought % to have the same rules regarding microallocations, (b) on the other hand, has any number of legal implications... collusion, monopolies, etc. But this is a example where uniformity is desirable on technical

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Zefram
Bill Manning wrote: /35 routes are being discouraged in favor of /32 entries... 4,064,000,000 addresses to ensure that just one host -might- have global reachability. IMHO, a /48 is even overkill... :) Just wondering, as I have about IPv4 anycast allocations: why

Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:01:53PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: There are currently quite some ISP's who filter anything /35. Generally ISP's should be filtering on allocation boundaries. Thus if a certain prefix is allocated as a /32, they should not be accepting anything smaller (/33,

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Bill Manning
% Bill Manning wrote: % /35 routes are being discouraged in favor of /32 entries... % 4,064,000,000 addresses to ensure that just one host % -might- have global reachability. IMHO, a /48 is even % overkill... :) % % Just wondering, as I have about IPv4 anycast allocations:

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:17:00 GMT, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Just wondering, as I have about IPv4 anycast allocations: why can't we designate a block for microallocations, within which prefix length filters aren't applied? The number of routes in the DFZ is the same either way; is there

RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [This should go to v6ops@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] :) ] Zefram wrote: Bill Manning wrote: /35 routes are being discouraged in favor of /32 entries... 4,064,000,000 addresses to ensure that just one host -might- have global reachability. IMHO, a

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 8-dec-03, at 22:01, Jeroen Massar wrote: There are currently quite some ISP's who filter anything /35. Generally ISP's should be filtering on allocation boundaries. Thus if a certain prefix is allocated as a /32, they should not be accepting anything smaller (/33, /34 etc) So how are ISPs

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
[my apologies for burning so much bandwith] On 8-dec-03, at 22:17, Zefram wrote: Just wondering, as I have about IPv4 anycast allocations: why can't we designate a block for microallocations, within which prefix length filters aren't applied? The number of routes in the DFZ is the same either

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Zefram
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine if somebody flubs and withdraws a /12 and announces a /12 worth of /28 That's why I suggested relaxing the filters only within a designated block. So (for IPv4) the /12 worth of /28s gets ignored, but the

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Franck Martin
Just some perspectives on the IPv6 addressing scheme, that I have highlighted to APNIC. A country like Tuvalu with about 10,000 people, which is an island with many possibility of connectivity to the Internet would be attributed what range if they request IPv6? Don't tell me they do not need

RE: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Gert Doering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 10:01:53PM +0100, Jeroen Massar wrote: There are currently quite some ISP's who filter anything /35. Generally ISP's should be filtering on allocation boundaries. Thus if a certain

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Ted Hardie
At 11:21 AM +1200 12/09/2003, Franck Martin wrote: Just some perspectives on the IPv6 addressing scheme, that I have highlighted to APNIC. A country like Tuvalu with about 10,000 people, which is an island with many possibility of connectivity to the Internet would be attributed what range if

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Mark Prior
Franck Martin wrote: Just some perspectives on the IPv6 addressing scheme, that I have highlighted to APNIC. A country like Tuvalu with about 10,000 people, which is an island with many possibility of connectivity to the Internet would be attributed what range if they request IPv6? Don't tell me

Re: [ipv6-wg@ripe.net] RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Bill Manning
% Root nameservers are a very different story of course... % % A /32 contains 65k /48's, so these IX blocks could provide for % enough /48's for 65k IX's, thus unless that switch at the back % of my desk, which connects 'neighbours' too is to be called an % IX, because they have a linux router

RE: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Jeroen Massar
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- [2 mails into one again] Bill Manning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % Expect to see routers being optimized that will only route % the upper 64bits of the address, so you might not want to do % anything smaller than that. This, if it happens,

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-08 Thread Bill Manning
% I, personally, see absolutely no problem into making it the 'critical infra' % or 'root server' prefix, when it is documented correctly. EP.NET acts as % a neutral body, with this way kinda of a sub-RIR though. All root-servers % should be using the space then btw, not a few, but all of

Re: /48 micro allocations for v6 root servers, was: national security

2003-12-07 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 7-dec-03, at 20:52, Paul Vixie wrote: Just for fun, I cooked up a named.root file with only those IPv6 addresses in it. This seems to confuse BIND such that its behavior becomes very unpredictable. hmmm. that configuration works fine for me here. Ok... But does it also do anything useful?