TSIGARIDAS PANAGIOTIS wrote:
I believe, I found part of the following text in WAP Forum's WEB-pages.
However, I think the answer -from business and technology point of view-
is simple;
Is WAP mobile Internet ? Yes and NO
WAP is using existing Internet standards. The WAP architecture
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Wellas I see it, and belive me I may be wrong 'Its been known' :-) This been
the IETF talks about well Internet ...
I disagree, WAP, Wireless Application Protocol, Its a way of transmitting
data I.E. to and fr
will not get a
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"Parkinson, Jonathan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 06-07-2000 03:30:32 PM
To: 'Jon Crowcroft' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet??
Wellas I see it, and belive me I may be w
Does it need to be if the Web/Wap app can handle this format?
web/wap apps handle a very small number of protocols compared to the
protocols that are handled by IP and used in practice.
Keith
Vernon Schryver wrote:
think we mean having unincumbered availability of the common application
protocols, email, http, ftp, ssh, ...
that's not quite enough; in the UK we're seeing cable-modem ISPs
attempt to restrict services to those applications, or to a subset of
From: Joe Touch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
bucket, where do you draw the line?
At IP, as Bob Braden said.
SMTP is _over_ IP.
Multicast _redefines_ IP (or portions of the address space thereof); it
could be argued
Bob Braden writes:
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Jon Postel would have said: If it speaks IP (UDP/TCP are not
necessary), then it's Internet, else not.
I will add a bit to this discussion.
1. A WAP phone without an IP address is not an Internet device. And,
no one claims so.
2. A WAP device
Vernon Schryver wrote:
From: Joe Touch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
bucket, where do you draw the line?
At IP, as Bob Braden said.
SMTP is _over_ IP.
Multicast _redefines_ IP (or portions of the
Joe;
would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
bucket, where do you draw the line?
At IP, as Bob Braden said.
SMTP is _over_ IP.
Wrong. RFC821 says:
SMTP is independent of the particular transmission subsystem and
requires only a reliable
Great Catch. It doesn't get any more Mobile on the Internet then that!
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From: Parkinson, Jonathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 8:24 AM
To: 'Lars-Erik Jonsson'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet??
Okay WAP at the moment
Good Point I will tap into Japan Wireless infra-structure!
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From: Renfield Kuroda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 9:07 PM
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I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than TCP/IP
The Internet allows all protocols to in-operate with her. This is the
uniqueness
of the web. Therefore WAP falls within this area!
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From: Lars-Erik Jonsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:54 AM
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The Web is NOT the Internet. The Web is one Internet application.
/L-E
The Internet allows all protocols to in-operate with her. This is the
uniqueness
of the web. Therefore WAP falls within this area!
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To: 'Taylor, Johnny'
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet??
Hi all,
I fully agree with Lars. Even I believe WAP does not fall under the Internet
Umbrella
Ashutosh Agarwal
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if i have a device which can only send and receive email, am i "on the
internet?"
if i have a device that lets me send and receive messages to/from internet
users, am i "on the internet"
note that sms with a gateway satisfies the last one.
my point is not to push sms or whatever. but that by
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Stewart Nolan wrote:
The web sits atop the internet, as do the protocols mentioned, as does
WAP.
Yes - the Internet in my mind is just a collection of protocols, be they
what they may. Over what physical medium data travel is irrelevant, but
doesn't the term "on the
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Jon, I wonder how WAP will fit into Multicast apps - even
if its single line txt based msg's app ?
football scores/(tennis etc)
share price (look at stockbroker trading terminal - they have very
small amount of realestate for the given instrument)
many many things would work v. well -
From: Lloyd Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my point is not to push sms or whatever. but that by "on the internet" i
think we mean having unincumbered availability of the common application
protocols, email, http, ftp, ssh, ...
that's not quite enough; in the UK we're seeing cable-modem
Vernon,
would pacbell filtering all multicast at all CPE equipemt fall into your
bucket, where do you draw the line?
-rick
On Wed, 5 Jul 2000, Vernon Schryver wrote:
From: Lloyd Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my point is not to push sms or whatever. but that by "on the internet" i
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Jon Postel would have said: If it speaks IP (UDP/TCP are not
necessary), then it's Internet, else not.
I thought part of the argument was about capitalization of the I. if its
lowercase, then its using IP, if its uppercase then you can expect to use
global Internet addresses and achieve a
At 13.54 +0200 00-06-30, Lars-Erik Jonsson wrote:
I would like to hear your opinions about how WAP people often say that WAP is
"mobile Internet".
Well, Ericsson do in their ads :-) :-) (I say to a person at Ericsson).
From my point of view, you can (through a proxy service) access
(some)
I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than TCP/IP is Internet.
The Mobile Internet is data/communication devices you carry around with you.
Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet users, plus another 2
million WAP users, and the numbers are exploding.
But, and I know this
r e n;
I don't think WAP Mobile Internet any more than TCP/IP is Internet.
There is no such thing as WAP Mobile Internet.
The Mobile Internet is data/communication devices you carry around with you.
Here in Japan we have 8 million non-WAP mobile internet users, plus another 2
million WAP
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