Re: Working Group chartering

2006-01-10 Thread Andy Bierman
Burger, Eric wrote: IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on an idea. We then spend tons of resources on figuring out if the idea will work. We produce lots of half-baked documents with little basis in working code. Then folks try implementing what's been spec'ed, find it

Re: Working Group chartering

2006-01-10 Thread Dave Crocker
IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on an idea. ... Standardize stuff that already works -- what a concept. ... I don't care how the technology gets developed. IRTF, vendors, universities, whatever. The current model in the IETF appears to be: Your running

Re: Working Group chartering

2006-01-10 Thread Dave Crocker
IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on an idea. ... Standardize stuff that already works -- what a concept. ... I don't care how the technology gets developed. IRTF, vendors, universities, whatever. The current model in the IETF appears to be: Your running

RE: Working Group chartering

2006-01-10 Thread Gray, Eric
Eric, --- [SNIP --- -- IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on -- an idea. We then spend tons of resources on figuring out if the -- idea will work. We produce lots of half-baked documents with -- little basis in working code. Then folks try implementing -- what's been

RE: Working Group chartering

2006-01-10 Thread Burger, Eric
PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:03 PM To: Burger, Eric Cc: ietf@ietf.org Subject: RE: Working Group chartering Eric, --- [SNIP --- -- IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on -- an idea. We then spend tons of resources on figuring out if the -- idea will work. We

Re: Working Group chartering

2006-01-10 Thread Melinda Shore
On 1/10/06 12:55 PM, Burger, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Normally, I would agree, but in one area in particular where I'm active, RAI, I've seen it all. There has been a ton of work that was interesting and nice to have. I'm going to hazard a guess here and suggest that that area has more

RE: Working Group chartering

2006-01-10 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On tirsdag, januar 10, 2006 12:26:22 -0600 James M. Polk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:55 PM 1/10/2006 -0500, Burger, Eric wrote: Also, I am a big proponent of microeconomics, which would have rational actors only put forth and push stuff clearly needed for products. HOWEVER, in the

RE: Working Group chartering

2006-01-09 Thread Burger, Eric
IMHO, *way* too many I*E*TF work groups get chartered based on an idea. We then spend tons of resources on figuring out if the idea will work. We produce lots of half-baked documents with little basis in working code. Then folks try implementing what's been spec'ed, find it doesn't work, but then