Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-06 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 05/04/2013 18:12, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wrote: Or use the FTL to predict the company stock price so that you get rich without implementing anything. That's terrible for the IETF. It completely nullifies the NomCom random selection process; all the suggestions in RFC 3797 seem to be blown away

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-06 Thread Ted Lemon
On Apr 6, 2013, at 3:21 AM, Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com wrote: That's terrible for the IETF. It completely nullifies the NomCom random selection process; all the suggestions in RFC 3797 seem to be blown away by this. This seems like exactly the sort of problem that Jari's

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Loa Andersson
Bob, thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started to receive packets that was sent in the future already now? /Loa On 2013-04-02 18:19, Bob Hinden wrote: AB, On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Dave Cridland
On 5 Apr 2013 09:47, Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu wrote: Bob, thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started to receive packets that was sent in the future already now? Indeed, and this tells us that

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 05/04/2013 10:03, Dave Cridland wrote: On 5 Apr 2013 09:47, Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu wrote: Bob, thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started to receive packets that was sent in the future already now?

RE: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Adrian Farrel
So instead of asking the community do you have an intention to implement and deploy? we should ask have you already been going to have implemented and deployed yet? thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Loa Andersson
On 2013-04-05 11:11, Brian E Carpenter wrote: On 05/04/2013 10:03, Dave Cridland wrote: On 5 Apr 2013 09:47, Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu wrote: Bob, thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started to receive

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Michael Richardson
Loa == Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu writes: Loa thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed Loa in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started to receive Loa packets that was sent in the future already now? I for one, have always found these

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Steve Crocker
I too have always found at least one of the Crocker brothers {suspicious, smart, funny, irrelevant, prescient, handsome, annoying, etc.}. I've never been able to tell which is which :) Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2013, at 9:58 PM, Michael Richardson mcr+i...@sandelman.ca wrote: Loa == Loa

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread John C Klensin
--On Friday, April 05, 2013 10:03 +0100 Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: ... Indeed, and this tells us that publication of this was important, since we'll need to be in a position to handle the issues that will occur much sooner than deployment, and for that matter development of the

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Spencer Dawkins
On 4/5/2013 9:09 AM, Steve Crocker wrote: I too have always found at least one of the Crocker brothers {suspicious, smart, funny, irrelevant, prescient, handsome, annoying, etc.}. I've never been able to tell which is which :) There are days when I'm really glad to be part of this community

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Ted Lemon
On Apr 5, 2013, at 10:29 AM, Spencer Dawkins spen...@wonderhamster.org wrote: There are days when I'm really glad to be part of this community ... Yes, but the question is, is this such a day? :)

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Bob Hinden
Loa, On Apr 5, 2013, at 1:47 AM, Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu wrote: Bob, thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started to receive packets that was sent in the future already now? See Section 5. It may be

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Wes Beebee (wbeebee)
Or use the FTL to predict the company stock price so that you get rich without implementing anything. - Wes On 4/5/13 5:12 AM, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote: So instead of asking the community do you have an intention to implement and deploy? we should ask have you already been going

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Dave Crocker
On 4/5/2013 6:58 AM, Michael Richardson wrote: Loa == Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu writes: thinking about this and assuming that the FTL Communication are deployed Loa in a not too far distant future, wouldn't we have started to receive Loapackets that was sent in the future already now? I for

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread Dave Cridland
Actually, getting rich without implementing anything seems to happen quite often enough these days - it's called acquisition. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) wbee...@cisco.comwrote: Or use the FTL to predict the company stock price so that you get rich without

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-05 Thread James Polk
At 03:59 PM 4/5/2013, Dave Cridland wrote: Actually, getting rich without implementing anything seems to happen quite often enough these days - it's called acquisition. or be a Kardashian On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Wes Beebee (wbeebee) mailto:wbee...@cisco.comwbee...@cisco.com wrote:

RE: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-02 Thread l.wood
Kids! Remember, if we're not bright enough to do physics, we can always do engineering, the slow younger brother of physics! But if engineering is too difficult, there's always computer science, where terms like bandwidth mean what we want them to mean. And if even that's too hard, there's

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-02 Thread Ted Lemon
On Apr 2, 2013, at 6:41 AM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: Kids! Remember, if we're not bright enough to do physics, we can always do engineering, the slow younger brother of physics! Is your point that if we do an engineering solution, that will slow things down enough that we won't have packet

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-02 Thread Bob Hinden
AB, On Apr 1, 2013, at 5:45 PM, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: RFC6921It is well known that as we approach the speed of light, time slows down. AB I know that time slows for something when it is in speed of light, but communication is not something moving. If the packet

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-01 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
-editor.org wrote: A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6921 Title: Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication Author: R. Hinden Status: Informational Stream

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-01 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
: A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6921 Title: Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication Author: R. Hinden Status: Informational Stream: Independent

Re: RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-01 Thread SM
The words in this message are to be interpreted as described in RFC 6919. Here are some considerations for Faster-Than-Light Communication (see RFC 6921). * Bring value when you send a message. Do not seek value. Value-seeking questions such as, What are you doing tonight? make people

RFC 6921 on Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication

2013-04-01 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6921 Title: Design Considerations for Faster-Than-Light (FTL) Communication Author: R. Hinden Status: Informational Stream: Independent