Re: [Ietf-dkim] DKIM replay requires the replayed signature to validate

2023-01-11 Thread Barry Leiba
No, replaying a message that happens to have a DKIM signature in it is not what we're talking about when we refer to "DKIM replay". The point of a DKIM replay attack is specifically to use a signature that continues to validate in order to get false credibility. Barry On Wed, Jan 11, 2023 at 11:

Re: [Ietf-dkim] DKIM replay requires the replayed signature to validate

2023-01-11 Thread Dave Crocker
On 1/11/2023 8:15 AM, Grant Taylor wrote: I'd think that both are a replay.  A signature that validates would be a successful replay while a signature that fails is a failed replay.  But both are replays to me. Remember, an attack doesn't need to succeed to be considered an attack. If the D

Re: [Ietf-dkim] DKIM replay requires the replayed signature to validate

2023-01-11 Thread Grant Taylor
On 1/11/23 6:54 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: The thing that we should go out of our texts' way to make clear is that DKIM Replay requires that the replay attack send mail that retains DKIM /validation/.  Not the mere reuse of the signature, but the continued validity of that signature, for the messa

[Ietf-dkim] DKIM replay requires the replayed signature to validate

2023-01-11 Thread Dave Crocker
A discussion elsewhere surfaced a point of confusion about this topic.  On the average, when one person is unclear, so will others be. The thing that we should go out of our texts' way to make clear is that DKIM Replay requires that the replay attack send mail that retains DKIM /validation/.