Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread SM
At 08:02 12-05-2011, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from the Domain Keys Identified Mail WG (dkim) to consider the following document: - 'DKIM And Mailing Lists' draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt as a BCP The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-13 Thread Ian Eiloart
On 12 May 2011, at 17:44, Hector Santos wrote: For the record, the old MLM was read as well Levine's poison pill MLM. With no intent nor suggest the writer is stupid, writers do say stupid things and that paragraph was stupid then and it remains to be stupid as in a stupid manner; he

Re: [ietf-dkim] DKIM and mailing lists

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
Perhaps its a cultural thing. You should hear the number of the times my Jewish wife had said; oh silly! stop being stupid! or New York, Miami Cuban or Ricans cousins saying stupppid (its a special prolonged funny emphasis), or Cuban exiles elders calling me a Stupid Communist just

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of SM Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:16 AM To: i...@ietf.org Cc: ietf-dkim@mipassoc.org Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP Hi SM, By

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 13/May/11 09:15, SM wrote: In Section 4.1: In an idealized world, if an author knows that the MLM to which a message is being sent is a non-participating resending MLM, the author SHOULD be cautious when deciding whether or not to send a signed message to the list. The

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
On 5/13/11 8:12 PM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: [...] In such cases where the submission fails that test, the receiver or verifier SHOULD discard the message but return an SMTP success code, i.e. accept the message but drop it without delivery. An SMTP rejection of such

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
Rolf E. Sonneveld wrote: On 5/13/11 8:12 PM, Alessandro Vesely wrote: [...] In such cases where the submission fails that test, the receiver or verifier SHOULD discard the message but return an SMTP success code, i.e. accept the message but drop it without delivery. An

[ietf-dkim] IETF-SMTP signed mail DKIM BODY HASH Failures

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
I am wondering if anyone else can confirm BODY HASH errors with the originating author domain DKIM signature mail submitted to the IETF-SMTP fora. The IETF-SMTP MLM does not resign and in addition, it does not change the subject (adding [IETF-SMTP]) and does not appear to change the body by

Re: [ietf-dkim] Last Call: draft-ietf-dkim-mailinglists-10.txt (DKIM And Mailing Lists) to BCP

2011-05-13 Thread Hector Santos
Hector Santos wrote: Nothing wrong with DKIM=DISCARDABLE. What is wrong is trying to dictate to others MLM should ignore ADSP. As a MLM vendor, I have technical and ethical engineering obligation not to cause problems when taking on a new inherently incompatible technology that doesn't