Re: Request for Comments: RFC Wiki Syntax

2004-02-26 Thread Julian Reschke
Franck Martin wrote: Is there any linux tool to format the document fast? I don't want to do it by hand.. You may want to take a look at xml2rfc (http://xml.resource.org). Regards, Julian -- green/bytes GmbH -- http://www.greenbytes.de -- tel:+492512807760

Re: power in Korea..

2004-02-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26 Feb 2004, at 15:15, Joe Touch wrote: Matt Holdrege wrote: I am shocked that the IETF didn't rewire downtown Seoul to accommodate our conference! The next thing we'll hear is that our TDMA phones won't work. Or that they don't have TGI Friday's within easy walking distance. :-) About

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Dean Anderson
I should also note that my own message below that I quoted is hypocritical on my part. If the mail was IETF mail or other important email, I would have a different opinion. Of course, It was hypocritical of me to say that mail to others is any less important to its senders and recipients. I

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Dave Aronson
On Wed February 25 2004 16:15, Dean Anderson wrote: There are many ways to reasonably accurately identify mail to this list and distinguish it from all others: It is sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Nitpick: [EMAIL PROTECTED] could be in the Cc, or worse yet Bcc, field. -- Dave Aronson,

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Dean Anderson wrote: There are many ways to reasonably accurately identify mail to this list and distinguish it from all others: It is sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I haven't seen very much spam that has that characteristic, so I don't think such spam is much of a

Re: power in Korea..

2004-02-26 Thread Aaron Falk
On Feb 26, 2004, at 2:15 AM, Joe Abley wrote: Also, for GSM subscribers: http://www.etechkorea.info/articles/20020601001.php These are CDMA phones which are specially designed for GSM roamers (you stick your GSM SIM in the back of them). I used a KTF CDMA phone with my Microcell GSM SIM

RE: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Robert G. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... It has been pointed out several times now that unless you are willing to receive mail only from a small, closed group of individuals that all agree to use digital signatures and whose mail you whitelist while blacklisting EVERYTHING ELSE you are

License for downloading music - well!

2004-02-26 Thread Dan Kolis
The Electronic Frontier Foundation has proposed a scheme to decriminalize file-swapping, whereby users would pay $5 a month in license fees. The annual $3 billion this would net would compensate artists and record labels, the group says. San Jose Mercury News (2/26), Wired (2/26)

Re: License for downloading music - well!

2004-02-26 Thread John Stracke
Dan Kolis wrote: Paypal and micropayments have been horribly remiss in not developing adiquate solutions to small payments. Check out Peppercoin (http://www.peppercoin.com), which has developed a stochastic model based on aggregating a user's payments. They're getting some traction in the

Peppercoin

2004-02-26 Thread Dan Kolis
Hi, John S mentioned this micropayment scheme: http://www.peppercoin.com/General/FAQAnswerPage.ppp?keyID=helpfaq/faqs/Abo utPeppercointopicIndex=3 Interesting, but its really built on information goods specifically. Like tradedoor crypto sprinkled with dollar value connections. Thanks.

Principles of Spam-abatement

2004-02-26 Thread John Leslie
I strongly recommend gathering some principles of spam-abatement to enlighten the spam BOF at IETF-59. (I'd be happy to edit such a document, but it might be better to chose someone who will attend IETF-59... Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can communicate the fact that

Re: Principles of Spam-abatement

2004-02-26 Thread Ted Hardie
Please note that the BoF scheduled for Korea, MARID, has a very specific topic and that discussion of other spam-related issues is not appropriate for that session. The BoF agenda is available at: http://www.ietf.org/ietf/04mar/marid.txt To quote the salient part of the agenda: This BoF will be

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread James Seng
Can we don't pretend we can solve the spam problem on [EMAIL PROTECTED] james Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 26-feb-04, at 15:05, Robert G. Brown wrote: It has been pointed out several times now that unless you are willing to receive mail only from a small, closed group of individuals that all

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Robert G. Brown wrote: Why in the world does anyone think that digital signature maps with several orders of magnitude more entities to track, more complexity, and hence more opportunities for spoofing and finagling are going to succeed where simple DNS hostname lookup

Agenda, GEN-AREA meeting

2004-02-26 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
This may have some general interest. Comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED], please -- Agenda for the GEN-AREA meeting in Seoul Chair: Harald Alvestrand, GEN AD Date: Monday, March 1, 2004 Time: 1930-2200 Purpose of meeting: - Go through

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2004-02-26 Thread hinden
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Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Ed Gerck wrote: Spammers need scale (because they get a very low return). Therefore, part of the solution should be to deny scalability to spammers. You seem to think that is not possible. However, it is trivial for a receiver to impose and enforce *both* work and time

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Clint Chaplin
Which is a royal pain for me: my email client (mandated by work) doesn't alllow me to filter on CC: or BCC: addresses. Yuck. Dave Aronson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/26/04 05:29:04 On Wed February 25 2004 16:15, Dean Anderson wrote: There are many ways to reasonably accurately identify mail to

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Ed Gerck
Vernon Schryver wrote: The idea of forcing your correspondents to jump through hoops that spammers' computers can't is fundamentally wrong and crazy. Correspondents are also computers, humans don't do SMTP. A spammer's computer will happily continue trying to guess the answer to your

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Vernon Schryver
From: Ed Gerck ... If we force strangers to jump some hoops before their email can reach our mailboxes, it seems clear to me that we can still keep receiving email from strangers. That is the e-postage and other...I'm sorry but the best phrase is snake oil. There is no and can never be

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Ed Gerck
Vernon Schryver wrote: The spam problem starts with accepting mail from strangers. This phrase is a good soundbite. I'd add: The spam problem starts with *freely* accepting mail from strangers. If we force strangers to jump some hoops before their email can reach our mailboxes, it seems

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 26-feb-04, at 15:05, Robert G. Brown wrote: It has been pointed out several times now that unless you are willing to receive mail only from a small, closed group of individuals that all agree to use digital signatures and whose mail you whitelist while blacklisting EVERYTHING ELSE you are

RE: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Robert G. Brown
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have ~98% accuracy thanks to bayesian filtering. i haven't calculated my false positive rate, but i get false positives. even *one* false positive is unacceptable. even if my filter accuracy was 99.99% i would still need to trawl my spam

Re: digital signature request

2004-02-26 Thread Jake Nelson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see above response. also, from my perspective digital signature verification is simpler than maintaining a filter list. i'm tired of the spam/anti-spam arms race. i'm going to deploy a solution that is unspoofable. No, you aren't. You're quite welcome to try,

If you're not already in Korea, don't forget to pack small hand drums, shakers, rattles, etc.

2004-02-26 Thread Spencer Dawkins
We usually need healing for the plenaries, and many traditions drum as part of a healing ceremony, so ... See you in Seoul, Spencer

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2004-02-26 Thread ted . lemon
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Re: Principles of Spam-abatement

2004-02-26 Thread Dave Crocker
John, If we can communicate the fact that a message is discarded because it was categorized as spam back to the sender without adverse side unfortunately, that act of communication _is_ the adverse side effect. it tells the spammer that yours is an active, responsive email account. d/ --