Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread ned+ietf
There are some false equivalences floating around here. I don't think anyone is suggesting that having provisioning systems or even DNS servers themselves check for syntax errors in the contents of complex records like DKIM, SPF, DMARC, or whatever is necessarily a bad idea. (Whether or

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03.txt (DeprecatingUse of the X- Prefix in Application Protocols) to BestCurrent Practice

2012-03-07 Thread t.petch
- Original Message - From: Paul E. Jones pau...@packetizer.com To: 'Mark Nottingham' m...@mnot.net Cc: 'Randall Gellens' ra...@qualcomm.com; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:19 AM Subject: RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03.txt (DeprecatingUse of the X- Prefix in

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 07/Mar/12 09:42, ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: It would still be possible to work around the need for a plugin, e.g. by depending on some wizard web site, as in John's thought experiment. For the rest of us, the possibility to install a plugin that takes care of all the nitty-gritty

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread John R. Levine
Gee, by sheer random walk this has wandered back to the original topic, that provisioning software is the major bar to deploying new RRs. Most provisioning systems really don't care about most of the data they are throwing about. It may as well be a opaque blob. I couldn't disagree more.

Fwd: Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-typed-wc-fec-03.txt (LDP Typed Wildcard FEC for PWid and Generalized PWid FEC Elements) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Stewart Bryant
FYI MPLS and L2VPN WGs. Stewart Original Message Subject: Last Call: (LDP Typed Wildcard FEC for PWid and Generalized PWid FEC Elements) to Proposed Standard Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0800 From: The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org To:

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Stewart Bryant
Authors There was on point that I notice that you did not address from the AD review and so I am picking it up as a LC comment: In section 10 you say: This document makes the following update to the PwOperStatusTC textual convention in RFC5542 [8]: This update should be recorded in

Re: [PWE3] Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Thomas Nadeau
After looking over this just now - and forgive me as I didn't realize it contained a reference to 5542 until now - it seems to me that rather that including this in the RFC as an update to RFC5542, this be added as an errata entry to 5542. It seems odd to me to note that the single

Re: [PWE3] Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Stewart Bryant
It cannot be an erratum. An erratum indicated an error a the time of writing and that is clearly not the case. Is the text For example, the PW Preferential Forwarding status state machine as defined in [RFC (this document)] is in state STANDBY. actually in the MIB definition itself?

RE: tsv-dir review of draft-garcia-shim6-applicability-03

2012-03-07 Thread Alberto GarcĂ­a
Hi Dan, | | Section 7.7, Shim6 and IPv6 NAT, the problem could be overcome by | the | | Shim6 node knowing its IPv6 address after NPTv6 translation. | Probably | not | | worth adjusting the document, though, as NPTv6 is experimental. | | Well, this would not work for HBA, since

RE: Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha)
Ooops. Thank you for pointing this out Stewart. I will make the update and publish a new revision. Mustapha. -Original Message- From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stbry...@cisco.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:48 PM To: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-...@tools.ietf.org Cc:

Re: [PWE3] Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Andrew G. Malis
Mustapha, You might want to wait for any other LC comments before updating. Thanks, Andy On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha) mustapha.aissa...@alcatel-lucent.com wrote: Ooops. Thank you for pointing this out Stewart. I will make the update and publish a new

RE: [PWE3] Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha)
makes sense Andy. Thanks, Mustapha. From: Andrew G. Malis [mailto:ama...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:53 PM To: Aissaoui, Mustapha (Mustapha) Cc: stbry...@cisco.com; draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-...@tools.ietf.org; p...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread ned+ietf
On 07/Mar/12 09:42, ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: It would still be possible to work around the need for a plugin, e.g. by depending on some wizard web site, as in John's thought experiment. For the rest of us, the possibility to install a plugin that takes care of all the

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1203070926260.60...@joyce.lan, John R. Levine wr ites: Gee, by sheer random walk this has wandered back to the original topic, that provisioning software is the major bar to deploying new RRs. Most provisioning systems really don't care about most of the data

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread John R. Levine
Most provisioning systems really don't care about most of the data they are throwing about. It may as well be a opaque blob. ... Assuming you're not talking about editing zone files with vi, can you give some specific examples of what you're talking about? Most provisioning systems ...

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 08:49:22AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: Take SPF as a example. If providers had supported UNKNOWN format then the SPF generation tools would have done UNKNOWN + SPF type specific rather than TXT + SPF. My father used to have a saying: If Johnny hadn't died, they

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message alpine.bsf.2.00.1203071719100.78...@joyce.lan, John R. Levine wr ites: Most provisioning systems really don't care about most of the data they are throwing about. It may as well be a opaque blob. ... Assuming you're not talking about editing zone files with vi, can you give

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread John R. Levine
Most provisioning systems ... I well know they don't because they are still stuck in 1980's think mode. ... Hi. Could you give some concrete examples of DNS provisioning systems that let you enter arbitrary RRs? I've never seen one in the wild, other than the one I wrote for myself.

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Hector
Mark Andrews wrote: Stop asking for type support and ask for UNKNOWN record support from your provider. UNKNOWN record support will handle type and anything new that will come along. +1 By supporting UNKNOWN record format, providers get to know which types are actually being used

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Martin Rex
Mark Andrews wrote: Martin Rex writes: Mark Andrews wrote: John Levine writes: In case it wasn't clear, this is an authoritative server. If this is about permitted RCODEs here http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1035#section-4.1.1 then an RCODE of 4 in the response

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 20120307223904.gw79...@mail.yitter.info, Andrew Sullivan writes: On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 08:49:22AM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: Take SPF as a example. If providers had supported UNKNOWN format then the SPF generation tools would have done UNKNOWN + SPF type specific rather

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 201203072304.q27n4gdx000...@fs4113.wdf.sap.corp, Martin Rex writes : Mark Andrews wrote: Martin Rex writes: Mark Andrews wrote: John Levine writes: In case it wasn't clear, this is an authoritative server. If this is about permitted RCODEs here

RE: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Andrews Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:28 PM To: m...@sap.com Cc: jo...@iecc.com; ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with Maybe you

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 9452079d1a51524aa5749ad23e00392807e...@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.c om, Murray S. Kucherawy writes: -Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mar k Andrews Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 3:28 PM To: m...@sap.com Cc:

Re: provisioning software, was DNS RRTYPEs, the difficulty with

2012-03-07 Thread Martin Rex
Mark Andrews wrote: Randy claimed that presentation formats were not standardised. They are. Randy and others claimed that the presentation formats were owned by BIND and they are not. I never claimed that STD 13 was the be all and end all w.r.t. DNS. STD 13 didn't follow the normal

Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-typed-wc-fec-03.txt (LDP Typed Wildcard FEC for PWid and Generalized PWid FEC Elements) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge WG (pwe3) to consider the following document: - 'LDP Typed Wildcard FEC for PWid and Generalized PWid FEC Elements' draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-typed-wc-fec-03.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the

Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt (Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit) to Proposed Standard

2012-03-07 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge WG (pwe3) to consider the following document: - 'Pseudowire Preferential Forwarding Status Bit' draft-ietf-pwe3-redundancy-bit-06.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Protocol Action: 'xNAME RCODE and Status Bits Clarification' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-dnsext-xnamercode-00.txt)

2012-03-07 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'xNAME RCODE and Status Bits Clarification' (draft-ietf-dnsext-xnamercode-00.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the DNS Extensions Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Ralph Droms and Jari Arkko. A URL of this

RFC 6527 on Definitions of Managed Objects for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol Version 3 (VRRPv3)

2012-03-07 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6527 Title: Definitions of Managed Objects for Virtual Router Redundancy Protocol Version 3 (VRRPv3) Author: K. Tata Status:

RFC 6536 on Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Access Control Model

2012-03-07 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6536 Title: Network Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) Access Control Model Author: A. Bierman, M. Bjorklund Status: Standards Track Stream:

RFC 6539 on IBAKE: Identity-Based Authenticated Key Exchange

2012-03-07 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6539 Title: IBAKE: Identity-Based Authenticated Key Exchange Author: V. Cakulev, G. Sundaram, I. Broustis Status: Informational Stream: Independent

RFC 6542 on Kerberos Version 5 Generic Security Service Application Program Interface (GSS-API) Channel Binding Hash Agility

2012-03-07 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6542 Title: Kerberos Version 5 Generic Security Service Application Program Interface (GSS-API) Channel Binding Hash Agility

RFC 6558 on Sieve Extension for Converting Messages before Delivery

2012-03-07 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6558 Title: Sieve Extension for Converting Messages before Delivery Author: A. Melnikov, B. Leiba, K. Li Status: Standards