Re: IETF Diversity

2013-06-20 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us their work has been ignored and/or shouted down since it doesn't fit the narrative. The usual fate of those who care more about the data than the herd-meme of the moment. For a good example of this in action, those who are unfamiliar with the

Re: [abfab] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-03

2013-06-20 Thread Sam Hartman
I'm fine with this text. Either with eap-lower-layer as a MUST or the more complex version.

Re: Reducing Internet Latency Workshop

2013-06-20 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
Hi Matt, I currently writing a position paper but I'm travel tomorrow and over the weekend and am not sure if I will be able to finish the paper today. Is it maybe possible to submit the paper a couple days later? Mirja On Friday 14 June 2013 10:42:43 Matthew Ford wrote: Possibly of

Re: IETF Diversity

2013-06-20 Thread Scott Brim
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.eduwrote: From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us their work has been ignored and/or shouted down since it doesn't fit the narrative. The usual fate of those who care more about the data than the herd-meme of

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
On Jun 19, 2013, at 9:29 AM, joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: Given that this document was revved twice and had it's requested status change during IETF last call in response to discussion criticism and new contribution I am going to rerun the last call. I reviewed this version and I

JOSE Virtual Interim 6/17 mixup

2013-06-20 Thread Sean Turner
There was an intent to have a virtual meeting of the JOSE WG on 2013-06-17. The announcement never made it to the IETF announce list. Because of this that virtual meeting is considered a design team meeting and not an official virtual interim meeting. As such, all output is subject to

Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)

2013-06-20 Thread Mark Nottingham
Keep in mind that you're talking to an organisation that believes that Vancouver qualifies as Asia. On 19/06/2013, at 12:07 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: Hi Aaron, At 11:40 19-06-2013, Aaron Yi DING wrote: Relating to the statement above(I assume Phillip is addressing the US Academia),

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread John C Klensin
Olafur, Based on reviewing the current draft and the handling of my objections and other of others to the prior ones, I agree that the document is ready for publication. However, I feel a need to comment on one of your observations below because it seems to lie at the core of why this

RE: [abfab] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-abfab-eapapplicability-03

2013-06-20 Thread Black, David
I think this is ok, but my email client isn't distinguishing the new vs. old text. If it's just changes to produce this new bullet, I have a small edit: o Channel binding MUST be used for all application authentication. The EAP server MUST either require that the correct EAP lower-layer

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:17:16AM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: So some review of the DNSEXT-specified procedures and expectations may be in order. I encourage you, then, to organize the BOF session that will spin up the WG to achieve this. DNSEXT is only still alive because our last

NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATE of validated volunteers list so far

2013-06-20 Thread NomCom Chair 2013
Below is the current validated list of volunteers for Nomcom 2013. If your name has a *, I'm waiting for a message back from you. Big thanks to everyone who has volunteered! Now what are the rest of you waiting for? We still need quite a few to get up to 200 volunteers. Please reply and

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/20/2013 09:36 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:17:16AM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: So some review of the DNSEXT-specified procedures and expectations may be in order. I encourage you, then, to organize the BOF session that will spin up the WG to achieve this.

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jun 20, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: Perhaps we could have a non-WG mailing list so that people could submit proposals for review prior to the expert review process. Even some of the get off my lawn crowd offered good suggestions for this EUI case (make 1

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread joel jaeggli
On 6/20/13 10:04 AM, Doug Barton wrote: I agree with at least a little of what each of Olafur, John, and Andrew have said; but I think there's a middle ground between throw the doors wide open and everything we have tried before didn't work. At least I hope there is. Well recall that we

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:04:54AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Perhaps we could have a non-WG mailing list so that people could submit proposals for review prior to the expert review process. The WG list isn't going away with the WG. The list is explicitly called out as a good place to try out

namedroppers (wasRe: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard)

2013-06-20 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 05:10:20PM +, Ted Lemon wrote: You mean like namedroppers? If only we still had that list. Alas, it was the victim of politics. Perhaps Randy Bush will bring it back to life. A -- Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread Doug Barton
On 06/20/2013 10:27 AM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:04:54AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: Perhaps we could have a non-WG mailing list so that people could submit proposals for review prior to the expert review process. The WG list isn't going away with the WG. The list is

Re: Conclusions on South American IETF Meeting

2013-06-20 Thread Arturo Servin
Thank you Bob and the IAOC for taking the time to analize the possiblities of a meeting outside North America, Europe and Asia. Independently of the result, I think it had been a good opportunity for many of us to take advantage of the momentum and to initiate some actions to promote the

Re: Conclusions on South American IETF Meeting

2013-06-20 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
+1! On 6/20/13 3:13 PM, Arturo Servin wrote: Thank you Bob and the IAOC for taking the time to analize the possiblities of a meeting outside North America, Europe and Asia. Independently of the result, I think it had been a good opportunity for many of us to take advantage of the

Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)

2013-06-20 Thread SM
At 08:02 20-06-2013, Mark Nottingham wrote: Keep in mind that you're talking to an organisation that believes that Vancouver qualifies as Asia. That should be added to the Tao. :-) At 08:24 20-06-2013, John C Klensin wrote: Political convenience and expedience trumps geographical reality

IAOC Website Updated

2013-06-20 Thread IETF Administrative Director
One of the IAOC goals for 2013 was to update the IAOC website to improve consistency, organization, linkage, and ease of use. I am pleased to announce that the IAOC site has been updated and is available now for your use at http://iaoc.ietf.org/. On the home page see a video of an Overview of

Policy makers (was: Conclusions on South American IETF Meeting)

2013-06-20 Thread SM
At 11:00 20-06-2013, The IAOC wrote: series of events and programs in South America. This would include: - Increasing the IETF Fellows and policy makers from the region I don't see any policy makers reviewing Internet-Drafts. I don't see any policy makers writing IETF RFCs. Policy

Re: namedroppers (wasRe: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard)

2013-06-20 Thread Randy Bush
You mean like namedroppers? If only we still had that list. any reports of its death are from questionable sources it was the victim of politics. like much of life randy

Re: Is the IETF is an international organization? (was: IETF Diversity)

2013-06-20 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:26 AM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 08:02 20-06-2013, Mark Nottingham wrote: Keep in mind that you're talking to an organisation that believes that Vancouver qualifies as Asia. That should be added to the Tao. :-) At 08:24 20-06-2013, John C Klensin wrote:

Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Ben Campbell
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

Re: Last Call: draft-jabley-dnsext-eui48-eui64-rrtypes-03.txt (Resource Records for EUI-48 and EUI-64 Addresses in the DNS) to Proposed Standard

2013-06-20 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:36 -0400 Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:17:16AM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: So some review of the DNSEXT-specified procedures and expectations may be in order. ... But more generally, as a practical matter it is

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Barry Leiba
-- Why does this need to be published as an IETF stream RFC? If I understand correctly, this documents an existing protocol as implemented by commercial products. I agree with Martin's comment that there is value in publishing this sort of thing, but I applaud the Adobe and the author for

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, June 20, 2013 22:14 -0400 Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: FWIW, the IESG has discussed this in the context of other documents, and is looking at boilerplate that does not say that the document is a product of the IETF, and makes it clear that the content is not a

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Ben Campbell
On Jun 20, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: -- Why does this need to be published as an IETF stream RFC? If I understand correctly, this documents an existing protocol as implemented by commercial products. I agree with Martin's comment that there is value in

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Ben Campbell
On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:12 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: p.s. I started a much more detailed response to Ben, but I think the essence of it is above. IMO, a discussion that amounts to whether or not an AD used bad judgment by choosing to sponsor an individual Informational

NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATE of validated volunteers list so far

2013-06-20 Thread NomCom Chair 2013
Below is the current validated list of volunteers for Nomcom 2013. If your name has a *, I'm waiting for a message back from you. Big thanks to everyone who has volunteered! Now what are the rest of you waiting for? We still need quite a few to get up to 200 volunteers. Please reply and

Conclusions on South American IETF Meeting

2013-06-20 Thread The IAOC
The IAOC would like to thank all the people who commented on the IETF list and responded to the survey. It was very helpful to the IAOC in identifying issues and interest. As of 17 June 2013, the survey had 656 responses. This was more responses than for any other survey we have done, and is

IAOC Website Updated

2013-06-20 Thread IETF Administrative Director
One of the IAOC goals for 2013 was to update the IAOC website to improve consistency, organization, linkage, and ease of use. I am pleased to announce that the IAOC site has been updated and is available now for your use at http://iaoc.ietf.org/. On the home page see a video of an Overview of

Protocol Action: 'MPLS Generic Associated Channel (G-ACh) Advertisement Protocol' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-mpls-gach-adv-08.txt)

2013-06-20 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'MPLS Generic Associated Channel (G-ACh) Advertisement Protocol' (draft-ietf-mpls-gach-adv-08.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Multiprotocol Label Switching Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adrian Farrel