Re: [ilugd] [OT] Android users here?
On 12/21/2010 11:42 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote: 2010/12/21 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर)r...@linux-delhi.org: [...] Is that mandatory? If Android forces me to store my contact data on Google's servers, well, include me out -- Meego suddenly looks so much better! [...] snip Sadly, I think that Meego is going nowhere: Too little, too late. The OpenMoko community is still somewhat active though, and there is always hope that someone might revive hardware for it. I doubt OpenMoko would be coming out with a good enough handset. Their community may be active but the hardware is expensive to create and doesn't make business sense for OpenMoko to manufacture for low volumes (especially with the 3G chip). MeeGo on the other hand looks very promising - the kind of interface they're building, and especially Nokia creating a different UX which can give iphone and android users a good competition, I personally think we can look forward to it. The only downside, Nokia's interface and/or device could be proprietary and also be different from the default open source interface available. But then it's QT and also you may be able to hack it - similar to Nokia N900. That only time would tell (probably by June 2011). Also, I don't think it would ever be 'late' in the long run. Cellphone has a life-time of usually 3-5 years. Even if you preserve the handset, the battery may be hard to find, and there's a limit to which you can run on non-genuine batteries. Considering the speed at which the cellphone technology is advancing, the next phone may be much ahead than the current generation Androids and iPhones. Creating an ecosystem (appstore etc.) wouldn't take more than a few years. With more and more people using mobile phones and the population explosion, MeeGo (and others) could easily survive and compete. Regards Vivek Kapoor http://exain.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Android users here?
[...] Considering the speed at which the cellphone technology is advancing, the next phone may be much ahead than the current generation Androids and iPhones. Creating an ecosystem (appstore etc.) wouldn't take more than a few years. With more and more people using mobile phones and the population explosion, MeeGo (and others) could easily survive and compete. [...] Remember Symbian? I agree, it wasn't open source before, but Nokia had still tried hard to survive by allowing other handset manufacturer too to use Symbian on their handsets. Unfortunately, things did not turn out to be too rosy and figured the time had come to go open source, with Symbian^3. And, there was Moblin too that tried to co-exist. Cut to today, and there is no Moblin anywhere nearby, and the Symbian group has closed down. While Nokia does think that Meego is the future for their company, have you ever wondered why, despite the change in the heart of the phones, their appearances always stayed the same? Why, with every single attempt, Nokia has been forced to look back and re-strategize? It doesn't matter how good/bad/open a mobile operating system is, to be able to sustain yourself in this market. Of course, keeping the hardware and software open, and adhering to open standards are important. But what's also important is how you utilise your software, and how you market it. I was recently appalled to find that Samsung had modified the very find Android into a closed-source OS of theirs, Bada. And what disgusted me was their calling it open closed-source software! Anyway, my point is simple here. Building an ecosystem that can self-sustain and flourish is not tough. WHat's tough is to stays ahead in the game. And that's exactly where Nokia has been lagging behind, for the last couple of years! Regards, Shayon Pal ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Android users here?
On 12/21/2010 02:25 PM, Shayon Pal m...@shayonpal.com wrote: [...] Considering the speed at which the cellphone technology is advancing, the next phone may be much ahead than the current generation Androids and iPhones. Creating an ecosystem (appstore etc.) wouldn't take more than a few years. With more and more people using mobile phones and the population explosion, MeeGo (and others) could easily survive and compete. [...] Remember Symbian? I agree, it wasn't open source before, but Nokia had still tried hard to survive by allowing other handset manufacturer too to use Symbian on their handsets. Unfortunately, things did not turn out to be too rosy and figured the time had come to go open source, with Symbian^3. And, there was Moblin too that tried to co-exist. Cut to today, and there is no Moblin anywhere nearby, and the Symbian group has closed down. While Nokia does think that Meego is the future for their company, have you ever wondered why, despite the change in the heart of the phones, their appearances always stayed the same? Why, with every single attempt, Nokia has been forced to look back and re-strategize? Well, it's common knowledge (atleast to those who're interested in it) that Symbian though innovative in the initial years couldn't keep up the pace. It did go open source, but then the strategy of open-sourcing a failed product didn't work. Symbian did not succeed as far as high-end phones were concerned. It certainly powers a large number of devices till today for those people who don't care about the OS of the phone. They just want something that works, and that's the majority. To keep the facts straight, Symbian failed as an open source product (there are a variety of reasons for it, and they're not important), and now Nokia has taken it back. It's no longer open-source. Nokia has been changing strategies, yes, but I am not sure why that should be considered negative. Their current strategy says that Symbian^3 would continue to power the low-end and mid-range devices, and that's where the market is. MeeGo is meant for the top-end devices. It may not be fair to comment till a MeeGo device comes out in the market. Nokia is not popular in the top-end US market, but overall it sells the largest number of phones all over the world. And they make excellent and durable hardware. MeeGo is not linked with Symbian's interface in any way, and from the early look of it, it's something which could be spectacular. See N900 with Maemo - it could be considered a hobbyist's phone but it could do some real neat things when others were just thinking about them (including multi-tasking for that matter). It doesn't matter how good/bad/open a mobile operating system is, to be able to sustain yourself in this market. Of course, keeping the hardware and software open, and adhering to open standards are important. But what's also important is how you utilise your software, and how you market it. I was recently appalled to find that Samsung had modified the very find Android into a closed-source OS of theirs, Bada. And what disgusted me was their calling it open closed-source software! Anyway, my point is simple here. Building an ecosystem that can self-sustain and flourish is not tough. WHat's tough is to stays ahead in the game. And that's exactly where Nokia has been lagging behind, for the last couple of years! Yes agreed. But it has been only a couple of years, and Nokia indeed has realized it. They changed their CEO and brought in a US based guy so that they can get someone who's a non-european to give a better view of the actual market (primarily the US one). They've stopped announcing phones months ahead of their launch, they've continuously improvised their hardware and features - example, their qwerty keyboards have improved a lot and you can do a single-handed operation, the N8 has a mass-storage device connectivity in-built so you can plug-in a USB directly amongst many other things. They're bleeding at the moment due to the OS they have and its interactivity with the hardware. But I believe that's just short-term, and it'd change soon. Regards Vivek Kapoor http://exain.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
LinkedIn Rockey K. requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Vinay, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Rockey Accept invitation from Rockey K. http://www.linkedin.com/e/xrfxzz-ghylgetq-15/qWyQOxWKoBniiga-E9SHaxMCNW6ih6nQ4y5zLL81tR/blk/I33837502_25/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_dj9vcz0RdPcUcPd9bQ4Ph7hWl5hobPgUd34Ve3gQc38LrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/ View invitation from Rockey K. http://www.linkedin.com/e/xrfxzz-ghylgetq-15/qWyQOxWKoBniiga-E9SHaxMCNW6ih6nQ4y5zLL81tR/blk/I33837502_25/0RcBYOc3kTcPwPcQALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ -- (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Drupal 7 Release Party - Jan 8-9 2011
Hello Please participate in the Drupal 7 Release scheduled for Jan 8-9 2011. Final venue is still to be announced. The Drupal 7 Release Party is a worldwide event to celebrate the imminent release of Drupal 7. Jan 7, 2011 is not the exact release date. The idea is to have a two day event - a celebration of drupal - technology and community. *Proposed Schedule:* *Day 1* 10.00-10.30 : Welcome 10.30-11.30 : Introduction to Drupal 11.30-13.00 : Hands On Introduction to Drupal 7 (Getting Started with Drupal 7) 13.00-14.00 : Lunch 14.00-17.00 : Hackathon - Building a Blog, Brochure Website, Community Website with Drupal 7 17.00-18.00 : Cutting the Drupal 7 Cake and networking *Day 2* 10.00-13.00 : Developing Drupal Modules Workshop by Sudhir Porwal 13.00-14.00 : Lunch 14.00-17.00 : Theming Drupal Workshop by Gaurav Mishra 17.00-18.00 : Drupal Quiz *Links* - Register for the event at: http://www.drupal7releaseparty.org/india/release-party-drupal-user-delhincr - Help organise the event at: http://d7rpdel.pbwiki.com/ regards Kinshuk ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:10894] Delhi FOSS meet
We are 13 (narendra, kalpana, vikas, arulalan, sheel, nalin, satyakam, gaurav misra, sagar, aditya , chirag anki ) Please add your name if you want to attend. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Arulalan T arulal...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings to every one here .!. I am happy to see this month delhi lug meet with more than 10 to 15 people. Its nice. And this will be my first lug meetup in delhi. Hope I will be meet many delhi luggies... I am not much familiar in delhi. So please mention the place with route path in any metro way... Lets rock .!. -- l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm IIT Delhi cannot be confirmed by today. Let me count the options +++ Venue 1) IHC - India habitat center - Open space is there. no much crowd. we can sit peacefully. No wifi, no power. 2) Delhi haat - Open space is there. much crowd. we can try to sit peacefully. No wifi, no power. 3) IITDelhi - OpenSpace (near wind T or food court) , we can sit peacefully , no wifi , no power, but things will look like l...@iitd only promote IITD (only 1-2 member out of 10 is from iitdelhi , rest from NCR) 4) My Home Office - wifi , power outleft, very near to malviya nagar metro but max 8 can come in one room. Only two rooms are available. Sitting can be done on ground because many workshop and barcamps has such fashion. I have kitchen and we can fry some Pakoda. (we did this in last meetup - ubuntu remix workshop). 5) USO House - I asked my friend rocky to ask for venue. 6) Any Park - 7) Select City Mall - near to malviya nagar metro , has good space to sit and discuss. no wifi, no power. Choose a venue, We need to act fast.. 4 darys remaining +++ Time +++ I vote for 1pm to 5pm. +++ Speaker * Narendra Sisodiya - Roadmap for those who want to promote FOSS, success and failure so far. * Arulalan - Python/Ruby Intro Class * Add your name here if you want to present.. -- ┌─┐ │Narendra Sisodiya │http://narendrasisodiya.com └─┘ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
On Tuesday 21 Dec 2010, Rockey K. via LinkedIn wrote: LinkedIn Rockey K. requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- So is it OK to add this security (and presumably privacy) expert to the untrustable with private data wiki page now? -- Raj -- Raj Mathurr...@kandalaya.org http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
On Tuesday 21 Dec 2010, Rockey K. via LinkedIn wrote: LinkedIn Rockey K. requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Just observed that all of the spam mails [linkedln/facebook/Gtalk] from the ilugd mailing list are automatically moved to spammed folder and others which are not spam from ilugd mailing list are coming directly to the inbox.This is actually very good feature , but I am unable to find that is this due to gmail spam filter or anything related to ilugd mailing list setting ??? -- With Regards, Gaurav Paliwal http://gauravpaliwal.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 21 Dec 2010, Rockey K. via LinkedIn wrote: LinkedIn Rockey K. requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- Just observed that all of the spam mails [linkedln/facebook/Gtalk] from the ilugd mailing list are automatically moved to spammed folder and others which are not spam from ilugd mailing list are coming directly to the inbox.This is actually very good feature , but I am unable to find that is this due to gmail spam filter or anything related to ilugd mailing list setting ??? [...] Heh, am also now signed on via GMail, and was wondering what this was all about till I saw my spam folder. Now, only if we could convince Google that such mails from Orkut are also spam. Also, just because GMail is good at trapping spam does not excuse the act. Black-list him, I say. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Gaurav Paliwal said on Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 09:30:08PM +0530,: Just observed that all of the spam mails [linkedln/facebook/Gtalk] from the ilugd mailing list are automatically moved to spammed folder and others which are not spam from ilugd mailing list are coming directly to the inbox.This is actually very good feature , but I am unable to find that is this due to gmail spam filter or anything related to ilugd mailing list setting ??? It is a gmail feature. Happens to me for some other mailing lists too. -- Mahesh T. Pai || http://[paivakil|fizzard].blogspot.com TRUTH, n. An ingenious compound of desirability and appearance. Discovery of truth is the sole purpose of philosophy, which is the most ancient occupation of the human mind and has a fair prospect of existing with increasing activity to the end of time. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Sorry , I sincerely apologize for repeating such activity. ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Mid-range laptop for Linux (Debian)
2010/12/22 Raj Mathur (राज माथुर) r...@linux-delhi.org: [...] Coming back to the matter in hand, I was planning to buy a mid-range laptop (actually someone else planning to buy me one, for reasons too complex to go into), and was wondering if you could share your experiences with laptops that are fully FOSS-compliant. Range is Rs 40K to 60K, and I'd prefer laptops with devices that are supported with native Linux drivers. Suggestions and recommendations, please, all you mobile gurus out there! [...] Have been happy with the Sony Vaio VPCEB36FG (all those letters/digits are important), in spite of Sony's reputation of not being FOSS-friendly. Intel i3 quad-core 2.4GHz, 15.6 screen, ATI Radeon HD 5600 graphics card, full HD, 4GB RAM, 500GB hard drive at 52K (most places will give you a 2% discount for cash). Had to fiddle with some hardware, and the only things that still have issues are: * Does not hibernate/suspend properly. Have not tried to figure out why yet. * The tablet mouse works, but does not have complete Synaptics support, i.e., there is no easy way to turn it off from X, and accidental clicks when typing are a pain. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Mid-range laptop for Linux (Debian)
Gora, Is this recommendations to buy Sony VIAO or are you saying not to buy because it has lots of issues with GNU Linux?? Anyway, I bought Dell Inspiron 1545 with freedos, around a year ago, and it never had any problem in using Linux and/or installing any device driver. So I would recommend Dell. Don't try HP, they make experimental laptop, which has bleeding edge devices for no use, and dies anytime. On 22-Dec-2010 9:39 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote: ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Mid-range laptop for Linux (Debian)
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Ravi Kumar ra2...@gmail.com wrote: Gora, Is this recommendations to buy Sony VIAO or are you saying not to buy because it has lots of issues with GNU Linux?? Anyway, I bought Dell Inspiron 1545 with freedos, around a year ago, and it never had any problem in using Linux and/or installing any device driver. So I would recommend Dell. Don't try HP, they make experimental laptop, which has bleeding edge devices for no use, and dies anytime. On 22-Dec-2010 9:39 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote: ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd I had buy Dell Studio 15 Laptop 3 months back. I had installed Ubuntu 10.4 and it works very well. All multimedia keys, hibernate/suspend works smoothly. I can recommended Dell Studio 15 . -- Regards Amit Karpe. http://www.amitkarpe.com/ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Mid-range laptop for Linux (Debian)
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Ravi Kumar ra2...@gmail.com wrote: Gora, Is this recommendations to buy Sony VIAO or are you saying not to buy because it has lots of issues with GNU Linux?? Well, to me, these were minor annoyances that I was willing to put up with, especially as I imagine that they will be solved with future kernel releases. At that price point, the laptop is a steal: Comparable models from other manufacturers (e.g., Dell, Lenovo, etc.) were over 70K, though I am not sure how build quality compares. Your mileage might vary. Anyway, I bought Dell Inspiron 1545 with freedos, around a year ago, and it never had any problem in using Linux and/or installing any device driver. [...] Yes, Dell in general does have better Linux support, and their build quality for the business laptops is good (the Alien series is also worth looking at). However, do not buy online from them, as their service is terrible, even though the site is nice. I had actually ordered a Dell online, but cancelled after what was supposed to be a 2-week delivery turned into over a month with no definite delivery date in sight, and no communication from Dell's side. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:10912] Delhi FOSS meet
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Nalin Savara nsn...@gmail.com wrote: BTW, whats the planned date of meet ? That would be 26th Dec 2010, Sunday. Regards, Nalin -- l...@iitd - http://tinyurl.com/ycueutm -- Thanks, Sagar Belure ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Mid-range laptop for Linux (Debian)
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Gora Mohanty g...@mimirtech.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Ravi Kumar ra2...@gmail.com wrote: Gora, Is this recommendations to buy Sony VIAO or are you saying not to buy because it has lots of issues with GNU Linux?? Well, to me, these were minor annoyances that I was willing to put up with, especially as I imagine that they will be solved with future kernel releases. At that price point, the laptop is a steal: Comparable models from other manufacturers (e.g., Dell, Lenovo, etc.) were over 70K, though I am not sure how build quality compares. Your mileage might vary. Anyway, I bought Dell Inspiron 1545 with freedos, around a year ago, and it never had any problem in using Linux and/or installing any device driver. [...] Yes, Dell in general does have better Linux support, and their build quality for the business laptops is good (the Alien series is also worth looking at). However, do not buy online from them, as their service is terrible, even though the site is nice. I had actually ordered a Dell online, but cancelled after what was supposed to be a 2-week delivery turned into over a month with no definite delivery date in sight, and no communication from Dell's side. Regards, Gora ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd +2 for Dell. Bought an Inspiron 1545 without OS last year, works smoothly till date (used Ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04). Another one six months back, works smoothly again, 10.04. Regards, Abhinav Contact Me [image: Linkedin] http://linkedin.com/in/abhinavsahai[image: Facebook] http://facebook.com/abhinavsahai[image: Flickr]http://flickr.com/photos/abhinavsahai[image: Twitter] http://twitter.com/abhinavsahai[image: Blogger]http://abhinavsahai.com/ ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] [LUG@IITD:10912] Delhi FOSS meet
26th dec sunday ? At what time ? 26th dec sunday may be a bit of a problem for me. Regards, Nalin ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] My ubuntu 10.X getting crash in my Laptop while installing the following jasper packages
Dear All, When I installed these packages alone and restarted my ubuntu os on Hp Pavilion dv2700 laptop, ubuntu got crashed. Its like, I can see only the tty1. but cant type anything to login. 1. jasper 2. libjasper-dev 3. libjasper-java 4. libjasper-runtime 5. openjpeg-tools My ubuntu got crashed more than 8 times, whenever I installed the above packages. Last time, I checked with Linux Mint distro on IBM Lennova laptop also. That also crashed. But last time, I recovered the Linux Mint back to normal, by removing those packages completely by using live cd. I need to install jasper library for installing pygrib [1] [2]. Do any one experienced like this problem. Do any one know more about jasper ? If anybody willing to install these packages and will try it means, please post your experience too. So that we can report about those packages to ubuntu development team. [1] http://code.google.com/p/pygrib/ [2] http://code.google.com/p/pygrib/wiki/LinuxMacInstallation -- Regards, Arulalan.T Kanchi Linux User Group Rocks ! http://kanchilug.wordpress.com My Experiments In Linux are here http://tuxcoder.wordpress.com ___ Ilugd mailing list Ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
