[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-29 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar 
On 29 June 2016 at 15:05, Priyanka Nag  wrote:
> [1] Apologies that this part wasn't well explained previously but the list
> of talks that you see on the pirate pad, mainly under the 'Getting Started
> with your Fedora contribution' section are going to be flash talks for 5
> mins each. Since we couldn't find existing female contributors in all of
> these different contribution pathways, to share their experience with us; a
> group of volunteers decided to try finding out details about these different
> contribution pathways, how to get started, the related IRC channels and
> mailing lists for each and finally give a 5 min presentation about their
> findings. This can save the rest of the audience's effort to do a complete
> research on the different contribution pathways (which is often the first
> barrier in contribution) and they should have most of the data at hand to
> now go back and start contributing. The FWD event was also thought of as a
> first step to initiating a consistent women contributor community, where
> each month we could take up one of these contribution pathways and make it
> as the flavor of the month...doing some actual hands-on contribution
> together for that chosen project or pathway. This can probably even be
> clubbed with the monthly Fedora meetups that we have in Pune. That ofcourse
> can be discussed in more details with the local ambassadors.

While getting local ambassadors in loop is useful from a logistics
and/or budget perspective, what's more important here is to reach out
to as many *existing* women contributors as possible (and as early as
possible) so that you exhaust all of your options of getting qualified
speakers (local or remote) before you resort to doing it yourself
within Red Hat by reading up the wiki pages.

> [2] The new speakers can try and do some actual contributions before the FWD
> event so that they can also share their experience (and blockers) at the
> event. They could also join the upcoming Fedora monthly meetup and release
> party, planned on 9th July, at Pune.

I can't see how that will work in practice.  It surely took me more
than 2 weeks to get myself into the various groups I am currently in,
so actually doing something useful will have to come after that.  In
any case, that doesn't solve the issue I pointed out.

That said, please don't misunderstand my objection as an objection to
anybody participating in the community.  My point is that people
should be encouraged to participate for the right reasons.  That is,
join the community to pitch in, learn and grow and not just gain
credentials as a speaker, that too on the basis of being employed at
the company that is hosting the event.

> [3] The organizers are suggested to try reach out to college students (not
> just via emails or messages, but by physically going down to colleges) since
> this event can be a good place for new contributors to know how to get
> started with their contribution as well as meet other existing and
> experienced community members.

+1.  I believe Red Hat has contacts in Cummins College for example.
They have been active in the django and/or python community in the
past IIRC, so I am sure they will look forward to the event.  There
are a number of women teachers in MITCOE who I am sure will be
interested too.  I'm sure there are other colleges we can reach out
to.

> [4] The organizers are also suggested to do more social media posts about
> the event, so as to create more awareness around this event.

Sure, but my first point stays: please make a bigger effort to reach
out to existing women contributors to share their experiences.

> [5] The new contributors and speakers can also join the Fedora telegram
> group, since not all of us are big IRC fans.

/me grumbles about these younglings not getting it...

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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-29 Thread Amita Sharma 



On 06/29/2016 03:05 PM, Priyanka Nag wrote:

Hey all,

A few of the local Fedora ambassadors and event organizers for FWD 
Pune event met this morning for a quick discussion on the proposed 
event and here we have the meeting notes for everyone:


[1] Apologies that this part wasn't well explained previously but the 
list of talks that you see on the pirate pad, mainly under the 
'*Getting Started with your Fedora contribution' *section are 
going**to be flash talks for 5 mins each. Since we couldn't find 
existing female contributors in all of these different contribution 
pathways, to share their experience with us; a group of volunteers 
decided to try finding out details about these different contribution 
pathways, how to get started, the related IRC channels and mailing 
lists for each and finally give a 5 min presentation about their 
findings. This can save the rest of the audience's effort to do a 
complete research on the different contribution pathways (which is 
often the first barrier in contribution) and they should have most of 
the data at hand to now go back and start contributing. The FWD event 
was also thought of as a first step to initiating a consistent women 
contributor community, where each month we could take up one of these 
contribution pathways and make it as the flavor of the month...doing 
some actual hands-on contribution together for that chosen project or 
pathway. This can probably even be clubbed with the monthly Fedora 
meetups that we have in Pune. That ofcourse can be discussed in more 
details with the local ambassadors.


[2] The new speakers can try and do some actual contributions before 
the FWD event so that they can also share their experience (and 
blockers) at the event. They could also join the upcoming Fedora 
monthly meetup and release party, planned on 9th July, at Pune.


[3] The organizers are suggested to try reach out to college students 
(not just via emails or messages, but by physically going down to 
colleges) since this event can be a good place for new contributors to 
know how to get started with their contribution as well as meet other 
existing and experienced community members.


[4] The organizers are also suggested to do more social media posts 
about the event, so as to create more awareness around this event.


[5] The new contributors and speakers can also join the Fedora 
telegram group, since not all of us are big IRC fans.


[6] The speaker and attendee list to be moved to Wiki from the etherpad.

Thanks, updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWD_Pune .

Regards,
Amita


I hope I have covered all the points that was discussed in today's 
meeting. If not, today's meeting attendees, please add those points to 
the thread here.


If anyone has any further questions on any of the above points or any 
suggestions for the event in general, please do feel free to shoot a 
response to this thread.





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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-29 Thread Priyanka Nag 
Hey all,

A few of the local Fedora ambassadors and event organizers for FWD Pune
event met this morning for a quick discussion on the proposed event and
here we have the meeting notes for everyone:

[1] Apologies that this part wasn't well explained previously but the list
of talks that you see on the pirate pad, mainly under the '*Getting Started
with your Fedora contribution' *section are going to be flash talks for 5
mins each. Since we couldn't find existing female contributors in all of
these different contribution pathways, to share their experience with us; a
group of volunteers decided to try finding out details about these
different contribution pathways, how to get started, the related IRC
channels and mailing lists for each and finally give a 5 min presentation
about their findings. This can save the rest of the audience's effort to do
a complete research on the different contribution pathways (which is often
the first barrier in contribution) and they should have most of the data at
hand to now go back and start contributing. The FWD event was also thought
of as a first step to initiating a consistent women contributor community,
where each month we could take up one of these contribution pathways and
make it as the flavor of the month...doing some actual hands-on
contribution together for that chosen project or pathway. This can probably
even be clubbed with the monthly Fedora meetups that we have in Pune. That
ofcourse can be discussed in more details with the local ambassadors.

[2] The new speakers can try and do some actual contributions before the
FWD event so that they can also share their experience (and blockers) at
the event. They could also join the upcoming Fedora monthly meetup and
release party, planned on 9th July, at Pune.

[3] The organizers are suggested to try reach out to college students (not
just via emails or messages, but by physically going down to colleges)
since this event can be a good place for new contributors to know how to
get started with their contribution as well as meet other existing and
experienced community members.

[4] The organizers are also suggested to do more social media posts about
the event, so as to create more awareness around this event.

[5] The new contributors and speakers can also join the Fedora telegram
group, since not all of us are big IRC fans.

[6] The speaker and attendee list to be moved to Wiki from the etherpad.

I hope I have covered all the points that was discussed in today's meeting.
If not, today's meeting attendees, please add those points to the thread
here.

If anyone has any further questions on any of the above points or any
suggestions for the event in general, please do feel free to shoot a
response to this thread.
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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-28 Thread A. Mani 
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar
 wrote:
>
> Firstly I want to clarify that I am not talking about the Kolkata
> event because there is a formal CfP out on this list and there is not
> a lot to complain about there.  It would be nice however if you could
> link the speaker names to their user pages to know who they are.
>
Done yesterday,

> So moving on, I have missed the discussions because I am not on those
> mailing lists.  Likewise, I am sure a lot of women contributors to
> Fedora who may be qualified and interested in attending and speaking
> at the conference may have missed the conversation completely and may
> find themselves excluded.  When doing a local chapter of a global
> event, it is not sufficient to just reach out to the global lists, one
> must reach out locally.

Speakers were selected from the responses in many lists.
I might have missed a few lists true ( there were no mails in the
India list for long), but potential speaker list was already full.

Attending part: I don't think anybody will be missing it

>
> I think PJP (pjp AT fedoraproject.org ) can help with DVDs and
> stickers if you haven't reached out to him already.

Thanks, have sent mail


Best

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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-28 Thread pravin....@gmail.com 
On 28 June 2016 at 16:02, Priyanka Nag  wrote:

>
> I understand that speaking on any topic just by reading it up on a wiki
> page is never enough and should be avoided. But here we have a small
> chicken and egg problem. Since we don't have too many female Fedora
> contributors at Pune, we can't find speakers who could talk on different
> ways one could contribute to Fedora and since we never talk on these
> contribution pathways and how to get started, we can't manage to find more
> contributors. So, the idea was to get a few enthusiastic participants, who
> were willing to find out about these different contribution pathways and
> how to get started and give a presentation to the rest of our audience.
>
> That is why i feel this event should happen and you all are almost there.
:)
All suggestions are here is to get event successful and get more community
next time. As suggested in other emails, combination of Fedora Contributors
from Red Hat, Some hangout sessions with community contributors and few
with new enthusiastic participants (college/company) can make it truly
successful.

Best Regards,
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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-28 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar 
On 28 June 2016 at 16:02, Priyanka Nag  wrote:
> I am not much involved with the Fedora community, so not even sure if I
> should comment on this thread..but since I have been involved in the
> planning of the FWD Pune event and am also a speaker for the FWD Kolkata
> event, I wanted to share my thoughts around this discussion as well.

Please don't hesitate to share your thoughts even if you're not sure
about them, that's how we move things forward.

> I understand that speaking on any topic just by reading it up on a wiki page
> is never enough and should be avoided. But here we have a small chicken and
> egg problem. Since we don't have too many female Fedora contributors at
> Pune, we can't find speakers who could talk on different ways one could
> contribute to Fedora and since we never talk on these contribution pathways
> and how to get started, we can't manage to find more contributors. So, the
> idea was to get a few enthusiastic participants, who were willing to find
> out about these different contribution pathways and how to get started and
> give a presentation to the rest of our audience.

I personally don't doubt the intent of any organizers and I know such
oversight is not uncommon especially due to the fragmented nature of
communities.  I also acknowledge the chicken and egg problem.  I only
disagree with the solution, which was to take the easy way out and go
with almost an all-Red Hat lineup without making an attempt to make a
call for participation in a wider and more relevant audience like
fedora-india, GLUG, PLUG, etc.  You could even invite speakers to talk
over a video chat, there are a number of ideas that you could come up
with along these lines before thinking of the compromise.

Also, it is not that we never talk about pathways to contribution, in
fact my personal beef is that "Contributing to Fedora" is almost all
we talk about all the time and I'd really like us to move forward from
that :)

> Other than this, whether this can be called a Fedora event or not...well, I
> don't think I am eligible to comment on that. Whereas I always love events
> to be community events and not individual or an organizational
> initiative...but I am not sure what is best here with respect to the Fedora
> community.

Contrary to what my response seems to indicate, I would really like
this to be a Fedora event.  For it to qualify to be a Fedora event
however, it needs to be much more transparent than it currently is.

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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-28 Thread Priyanka Nag 
Hey all,

I am not much involved with the Fedora community, so not even sure if I
should comment on this thread..but since I have been involved in the
planning of the FWD Pune event and am also a speaker for the FWD Kolkata
event, I wanted to share my thoughts around this discussion as well.

I understand that speaking on any topic just by reading it up on a wiki
page is never enough and should be avoided. But here we have a small
chicken and egg problem. Since we don't have too many female Fedora
contributors at Pune, we can't find speakers who could talk on different
ways one could contribute to Fedora and since we never talk on these
contribution pathways and how to get started, we can't manage to find more
contributors. So, the idea was to get a few enthusiastic participants, who
were willing to find out about these different contribution pathways and
how to get started and give a presentation to the rest of our audience.

Other than this, whether this can be called a Fedora event or not...well, I
don't think I am eligible to comment on that. Whereas I always love events
to be community events and not individual or an organizational
initiative...but I am not sure what is best here with respect to the Fedora
community.


On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar <
siddhesh.poyare...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 16 June 2016 at 10:05, Amita Sharma  wrote:
> > Sure, Please feel free to edit wiki page (draft) [1] to add your
> name/names
> > as speakers, whoever wants to talk more on actual upstream contribution.
> > This is the link of the main event -
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Women_Day_2016
> >
> >
> > Indeed, it is a fedora event. I appreciate your guidance and help.
> >
> > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWD_Pune
>
> Can we please not market this as a Fedora event?  Or if we are, please
> make a more serious attempt to involve the community in it.  That is,
> please try and do the following:
>
> 1. Send a 'first class' communication about the event on the mailing
> list, not a forwarded snippet of some arbitrary conversation that
> happened internally in Red Hat.  It took me a while to even understand
> what was being talked about from the two emails
>
> 2. Make the meeting times public so that if anyone from outside RH
> wants to join, then they can.  Not a lot actually do in my experience,
> but you're part of a larger community so please at least do due
> diligence.  Also, we don't have kerberos ids in Fedora, so I assume
> you're talking about RH internal kerberos ids in the piratepad link[1]
> on the wiki page.  I don't know why that is important in Fedora
>
> 3. Speaking about a topic is not just about content (that anybody can
> read a wiki page and deliver) but about presenting an example of a
> community member.  Apart from some, I could not identify a lot of the
> people from the speaker list in the piratepad page as contributors to
> Fedora.  I also did not see a call for speakers for the event, which
> is something you'd want to do if you don't have qualified speakers for
> the event.  I guess you could bias the selection process in favour of
> women since it is a women's day event, but I don't know how women's
> day celebrations work so I don't know how that works.
>
> Siddhesh
>
> [1] http://piratepad.net/a5QZnEPaP8
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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-27 Thread A. Mani 
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:58 PM, A. Mani  wrote:
> These days, I have been contributing intermittently and was more active 
> before.
> Trishna is new contributor
> Priyanka has been involved in a number of FOSS events and is a new
> Fedora contributor
>
> So three in all


Co-organiser  is also in Fedora

new contributor


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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-27 Thread Kushal Das 
On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar
 wrote:
> On 27 June 2016 at 21:34, A. Mani  wrote:
>> You seem to have missed all the conversations in the Fedora Women and
>> Diversity list
>> Everything was done in these.
>
> Firstly I want to clarify that I am not talking about the Kolkata
> event because there is a formal CfP out on this list and there is not
> a lot to complain about there.  It would be nice however if you could
> link the speaker names to their user pages to know who they are.
>
Even in that event, except one person no one else is a known
contributor in Fedora.

Kushal
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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-27 Thread Parag Nemade 
Hi,

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 9:34 PM, A. Mani  wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar
>  wrote:
>> Can we please not market this as a Fedora event?  Or if we are, please
>> make a more serious attempt to involve the community in it.  That is,
>> please try and do the following:
>>
>> 1. Send a 'first class' communication about the event on the mailing
>> list, not a forwarded snippet of some arbitrary conversation that
>> happened internally in Red Hat.  It took me a while to even understand
>> what was being talked about from the two emails
>
>
> You seem to have missed all the conversations in the Fedora Women and
> Diversity list
> Everything was done in these.

I think Siddhesh has given this feedback on Pune event[1] only to
which I also agree.

If there are Fedora contributors who want to organize an event, I
don't think there will be any problem for funding that event. But that
event should have speakers who have actually worked for Fedora. I
don't know how can a person who has not experienced any Fedora
contribution can even talk about Fedora.


Regards,
Parag.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWD_Pune
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[fedora-india] Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Need your help in organizing a Fedora Women Day event at Pune

2016-06-27 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar 
On 16 June 2016 at 10:05, Amita Sharma  wrote:
> Sure, Please feel free to edit wiki page (draft) [1] to add your name/names
> as speakers, whoever wants to talk more on actual upstream contribution.
> This is the link of the main event -
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Women_Day_2016
>
>
> Indeed, it is a fedora event. I appreciate your guidance and help.
>
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWD_Pune

Can we please not market this as a Fedora event?  Or if we are, please
make a more serious attempt to involve the community in it.  That is,
please try and do the following:

1. Send a 'first class' communication about the event on the mailing
list, not a forwarded snippet of some arbitrary conversation that
happened internally in Red Hat.  It took me a while to even understand
what was being talked about from the two emails

2. Make the meeting times public so that if anyone from outside RH
wants to join, then they can.  Not a lot actually do in my experience,
but you're part of a larger community so please at least do due
diligence.  Also, we don't have kerberos ids in Fedora, so I assume
you're talking about RH internal kerberos ids in the piratepad link[1]
on the wiki page.  I don't know why that is important in Fedora

3. Speaking about a topic is not just about content (that anybody can
read a wiki page and deliver) but about presenting an example of a
community member.  Apart from some, I could not identify a lot of the
people from the speaker list in the piratepad page as contributors to
Fedora.  I also did not see a call for speakers for the event, which
is something you'd want to do if you don't have qualified speakers for
the event.  I guess you could bias the selection process in favour of
women since it is a women's day event, but I don't know how women's
day celebrations work so I don't know how that works.

Siddhesh

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