Re: [efloraofindia:284143] ID KANNUR 1

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Vinayaraj ji. On 15 December 2017 at 23:01, Vinayaraj V R wrote: > Mostly > Abelmoschus manihot > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Some Malvaceae member? >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "Girish

[efloraofindia:284149] Re: Fwd: Re: Gentiana ornata (D.Don) Wall. ex Griseb. ??

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Beautiful images. On 15-Dec-2017 8:05 PM, "Saroj Kasaju" wrote: > Additional images of same location shot by Swastika Kasaju! > > On 15 Dec 2017 10:29, "J.M. Garg" wrote: > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "J.M. Garg"

[efloraofindia:284151] Re: Blumea axillaris (Lam.) DC. ??

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Beautiful capture. On 15-Dec-2017 9:07 PM, "Saroj Kasaju" wrote: > Dear Members, > > Location: Taudaha, Nepal > Altitude: 4500 ft. > Date: 15 December 2017 > > Syn: Blumea mollis (D. Don) Merr. > > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > -- You received this message because you

[efloraofindia:284150] Re: Muehlenbeckia platyclados (F.Muell.) Meisn

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Superb images. On 15-Dec-2017 8:53 PM, "Saroj Kasaju" wrote: Dear Members, Location: Taudaha, Nepal Altitude: 4500 ft. Date: 15 December 2017 Thank you. Saroj Kasaju -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group.

[efloraofindia:284138] Fwd: SYMBIOSIS : 1032

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Bimal ji -- Forwarded message -- From: "Bimal Sar kar" Date: 16-Dec-2017 6:59 AM Subject: SYMBIOSIS : 1032 To: Cc: Hello, Attaching a collage of Bee visiting flowers of Merremia hederacea.

[efloraofindia:284147] Re: Fwd: Re: Gentiana ornata (D.Don) Wall. ex Griseb. ??

2017-12-15 Thread Saroj Kasaju
Gentiana depressa D.Don ! Thank you! Saroj Kasaju On 15 Dec 2017 20:20, "Saroj Kasaju" wrote: Additional images of same location shot by Swastika Kasaju! On 15 Dec 2017 10:29, "J.M. Garg" wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From:

[efloraofindia:284152] Re: SK443 22 MAR-2017:ID

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Very nice. On 15-Dec-2017 9:14 PM, "Saroj Kasaju" wrote: > Location: Chobhar, Nepal > Altitude: 4600 ft. > Date: 15 December 2017 > > Is ID correct? > > > Thank you. > > Saroj Kasaju > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 9:11 AM, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Thanks,

[efloraofindia:284146] Fwd: Grewia oppositifolia

2017-12-15 Thread JM Garg
Does not seem to match with images at *Grewia optiva J. R. Drumm. ex Burret* On Monday, 18 January 2010 08:27:53 UTC+5:30, devendra wrote: > > Name of species- Grewia oppositifolia > > Photo taken

[efloraofindia:284144] Fwd: Ipomoea coccinea and Ipomoea rubriflora

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks a lot, Ron ji. -- Forwarded message -- From: Ron Kushner Date: 16 December 2017 at 11:23 Subject: Re: Ipomoea coccinea and Ipomoea rubriflora To: "J.M. Garg" Hi Garg ji, I'm not entirely certain of which entry you want to dispose of... Regarding

Re: [efloraofindia:284139] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 5

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Kanhaiya Lal ji. On 15 December 2017 at 20:55, Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary < klchaudhar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Looks like some Dracaena sp?? > > On Friday, 8 December 2017 22:26:37 UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "Sourav Mahmud"

Fwd: [efloraofindia:284141] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 2

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Mahadeswara ji. -- Forwarded message -- From: M Swamy Date: 16 December 2017 at 10:21 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:283107] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 2 To: "J.M. Garg" Polyscias species. On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:08 PM,

Re: [efloraofindia:284142] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 2

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Aarti ji. On 15 December 2017 at 21:52, Aarti S. Khale wrote: > Garg Ji, > Although picture is not too clear, looks like Polyscias Species to me. > Regards, > Aarti > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:38 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> Forwarding again

Re: [efloraofindia:284137] Request ID of the small shrub

2017-12-15 Thread Nidhan Singh
Thanks Kanhaiya Ji for sharing this..I have also shot this from Shillong this year.. It is a Leptodermis sp. but I think it neither matches L. lanceolata nor L. kumaonensis.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from

Fwd: [efloraofindia:284067] Herb ID from BD_SM_1227

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
-- Forwarded message -- From: J.M. Garg Date: 8 December 2017 at 07:38 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:283268] Herb ID from BD_SM_1227 To: Sourav Mahmud Cc: efloraofindia Details are not clear, pl. post

[efloraofindia:284097] Re: Request for identity of Arisaema

2017-12-15 Thread Pascal Bruggeman
The second and third picture with the entire plant is Arisaema tortuosum. The first picture is strange and a bigger overview with the leaves on it is necessary to ID. There is a pseudostem and it has 2 leaves with quite long petioles so it is definitely not an Amorphophallus but it does not

Re: [efloraofindia:284097] Revision of Microchirita (Gesneriaceae) for Thailand

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks a lot, Tapas ji. On 15-Dec-2017 4:09 PM, "Tapas Chakrabarty" wrote: > Respected Sir, > > Please find attached a paper as above. > There are three species included in this treatment which extend their > distribution to India. > > With kind regards, > > Tapas. > > -- >

[efloraofindia:284093] Re: Arisaema tortuosum

2017-12-15 Thread Pascal Bruggeman
First and third picture is Arisaema concinumm, second picture is normal tortuosum. Neglectum is a true and independent species that only occurs in S India, particularly in Maharashtra state, but does not occur around Kalimpong. Regardsm Pascal From: "J.M. Garg" Date:

Re: Re: [efloraofindia:284093] Tree for ID : Washington DC : 08DEC17 : AK-08

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Aarti ji. On 15-Dec-2017 12:35 PM, "Aarti S. Khale" wrote: > Yes the leaves do match with Gurcharan Ji's suggested id. > Thanks a lot Gurcharan Ji. > Sorry for the late response. > Regards, > Aarti > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Aarti S. Khale

Re: [efloraofindia:284096] Re: Tamil name nirmalli of Pseudarthria viscida

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Very interesting discussions. On 15-Dec-2017 4:04 PM, "Dinesh Valke" wrote: > Thank you very very much Jitendra ji for this information. > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Jitendra Gavali > wrote: > >> >> Dear all, >> Just to

[efloraofindia:284106] Re: Request for identity of Arisaema

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Pascal ji On 15-Dec-2017 6:45 PM, "Pascal Bruggeman" wrote: > The second and third picture with the entire plant is Arisaema tortuosum. > The first picture is strange and a bigger overview with the leaves on it is > necessary to ID. There is a pseudostem and it

[efloraofindia:284105] Re: Arisaema tortuosum

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks a lot, Pascal ji. On 15-Dec-2017 6:40 PM, "Pascal Bruggeman" wrote: > First and third picture is Arisaema concinumm, second picture is normal > tortuosum. Neglectum is a true and independent species that only occurs in > S India, particularly in Maharashtra state,

Re: [efloraofindia:284100] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 3

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Promila ji. On 15-Dec-2017 4:36 PM, "Promila Chaturvedi" < thegardener.chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote: It is Arelia, I think. On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:21 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Sourav Mahmud" >

Re: [efloraofindia:284101] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 5

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Promila ji. On 15-Dec-2017 4:40 PM, "Promila Chaturvedi" < thegardener.chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dracaena fragrans. > > On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:26 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "Sourav Mahmud"

Re: [efloraofindia:284093] Request for Id

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Ritesh ji. On 15-Dec-2017 3:44 PM, "Ritesh Kumar Choudhary" wrote: > Looks like a Daphne sp. > > Regards, > Ritesh > ​ > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [efloraofindia:284109] Argyeia pilosa wight & arn (Convolvulaceae)

2017-12-15 Thread Sushant More
Yes sir it variable species at same place i observed lots of variations. On Fri 15 Dec, 2017, 5:24 PM J.M. Garg, wrote: > Thanks, Lalithamba ji. > But as per type specimen, I find lot of differences until and unless it is > highly variable. > > -- Forwarded message

[efloraofindia:284092] Fwd: Request for identity of Arisaema

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Images are too small to see any details. However, I think two genera are involved: Hood of Arisaema & leaves & fruit of not Amorphophallus -- Forwarded message -- From: digpati roy Date: 1 December 2017 at 08:43 Subject: Re: Request for identity of Arisaema To:

Re: [efloraofindia:284099] Two new species and a new name

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Tapas ji. On 15-Dec-2017 4:13 PM, "Tapas Chakrabarty" wrote: > Respected Sir, > > Please find an attachment a file as above. > You may request the individual authors for PDF of their publications. > > With kind regards, > > Tapas. > > -- > You received this message

Re: [efloraofindia:284103] Names of Plants in India :: Uraria rufescens (DC.) Schindl.

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Wonderful efforts. On 15-Dec-2017 5:02 PM, "Dinesh Valke" wrote: > via Species > ‎ > ‎U > ‎ > ‎ > *Uraria rufescens* (DC.) Schindl. ...

Re: [efloraofindia:284102] Clerodendrum splendens from Trivandrum : 15 Dec 2017: SS-2

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Sandhya ji, for images with superb details. On 15-Dec-2017 4:50 PM, "'Sandhya Sasidharan' via efloraofindia" < indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Dear friends, > > An evergreen climber from my garden in Trivandrum city. > > Flaming glory bower - *Clerodendrum splendens. * > >

[efloraofindia:284107] Re: Names of Plants in India :: Uraria rufescens (DC.) Schindl.

2017-12-15 Thread Dinesh Valke
update ... • *Assamese*: আছুৰা বন achuraa-bana , সৰু বিয়নী সাবতা saru biyani sabata

Re: [efloraofindia:284108] Names of Plants in India :: Uraria rufescens (DC.) Schindl.

2017-12-15 Thread Dinesh Valke
Thanks very much Garg ji. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 6:52 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > Wonderful efforts. > > On 15-Dec-2017 5:02 PM, "Dinesh Valke" wrote: > >> via Species >> ‎ >

Re: [efloraofindia:284069] Request for Id

2017-12-15 Thread Ritesh Kumar Choudhary
Looks like a Daphne sp. Regards, Ritesh ​ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

[efloraofindia:284076] Two new species and a new name

2017-12-15 Thread Tapas Chakrabarty
Respected Sir, Please find an attachment a file as above. You may request the individual authors for PDF of their publications. With kind regards, Tapas. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [efloraofindia:284088] Re: Tree for Identification from Patiala, Punjab-December 2017::NS01

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
I think also matches with images of this species by Raman ji at Request Tree ID 159 - Lalbagh, Bangalore - RA On 8 December 2017 at 18:12, Nidhan Singh wrote: > As I have seen pics of

Re: [efloraofindia:284089] Re: Tree for Identification from Patiala, Punjab-December 2017::NS01

2017-12-15 Thread Nidhan Singh
Yes Garg Ji.. Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send an email to

Re: [efloraofindia:284074] Plant for ID-PC-07-31.07.2015-

2017-12-15 Thread Promila Chaturvedi
Thanks, Mr. Widodo. On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 9:10 PM, JM Garg wrote: > *Gossypium hirsutum L.* > > only > as per images herein due to laciniate epicalyx segments. > > On

Re: [efloraofindia:284078] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 5

2017-12-15 Thread Promila Chaturvedi
Dracaena fragrans. On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:26 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Sourav Mahmud" > Date: 05-Dec-2017 9:21 PM > Subject: [efloraofindia:283110] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 > To: "efloraofindia"

Fwd: [efloraofindia:284081] Asteraceae Week Part I-Radiate heads:: Senecio edgeworthii Pune SMP 09

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
To me appears to be *Senecio bombayensis* Balakr. as per images & details herein. -- Forwarded message -- From: Satish Phadke Date:

[efloraofindia:284080] Names of Plants in India :: Uraria rufescens (DC.) Schindl.

2017-12-15 Thread Dinesh Valke
via Species ‎ > ‎U ‎ > ‎ *Uraria rufescens* (DC.) Schindl. ... *family*: Fabaceae ~ Papilionaceae [image: Uraria rufescens (DC.) Schindl.]

Fwd: [efloraofindia:284082] Kas week : Senecio edgeworthii SMP

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
To me appears to be *Senecio bombayensis* Balakr. as per images & details herein. -- Forwarded message -- From: Satish Phadke Date:

Fwd: [efloraofindia:284084] Argyeia pilosa wight & arn (Convolvulaceae)

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Lalithamba ji. But as per type specimen, I find lot of differences until and unless it is highly variable. -- Forwarded message -- From: Lalithamba Avadhanam Date: 15 December 2017 at 16:53 Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:279570] Argyeia pilosa wight &

[efloraofindia:284085] ID KANNUR 1

2017-12-15 Thread Girish Kumar
Respected sir Please identify this small shrub from Kannur District of Kerala. Girish Kumar E Assistant professor P G Department of Botany Mahatma Gandhi Government Arts College, Mahe U T of Puducherry- 673311 & Regional coordinator NSS, Mahe girish...@gmail.com -- You

Re: [efloraofindia:284068] Re: Tamil name nirmalli of Pseudarthria viscida

2017-12-15 Thread Dinesh Valke
Thank you very much Vijayasankar ji. Perhaps ENVIS - FRLHT has a tab on original reference. But this name nirmalli is stuck (just as the name viscida) to *Pseudarthria viscida* all-across internet !! Both: *nirmulli* (water-thorn) and *nirmalli* (water-jasmine) belong to *Hygrophila auriculata,*

Re: [efloraofindia:284071] Re: Tamil name nirmalli of Pseudarthria viscida

2017-12-15 Thread Jitendra Gavali
Dear all, Just to add above discussion, here in north Gujarat (Vireshwar, in Sabarkantha dist) forests, We have one tree Strychnos potatorum (other species S. nux-vomica -strychnine obtained from seeds; rather poisonous fruit/seed tree in western parts) is known as નિર્મળી, નિર્માળી (Nirmali or

Re: [efloraofindia:284072] Re: Tamil name nirmalli of Pseudarthria viscida

2017-12-15 Thread Dinesh Valke
Thank you very very much Jitendra ji for this information. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Jitendra Gavali wrote: > > Dear all, > Just to add above discussion, here in north Gujarat (Vireshwar, in > Sabarkantha dist) forests, We have one tree > Strychnos

Re: [efloraofindia:284077] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 3

2017-12-15 Thread Promila Chaturvedi
It is Arelia, I think. On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:21 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Sourav Mahmud" > Date: 05-Dec-2017 9:20 PM > Subject: [efloraofindia:283108] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 > To:

Re: [efloraofindia:284083] Senecio dalzelii

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Aditya ji. Your id is perfectly all right in view of the following: http://ngcpr.org/link-files/Endemic%20plant%20species%20pdf/Senecio%20dalzellii.pdf http://plants.jstor.org/stable/10./al.ap.specimen.k000852227 I have left comment on Herbaium JCB link

Fwd: [efloraofindia:284130] Hoppea dichotoma

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Does not matches with images of any species of Centaurium -- Forwarded message -- From: J.M. Garg Date: 1 December 2017 at 18:16 Subject: Fwd: [efloraofindia:174791] Hoppea

Fwd: Fwd: [efloraofindia:284112] Unidentified plants from East Khasi Hills.

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Kanhaiya Lal ji. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary Date: 15 December 2017 at 18:53 Subject: Re: Fwd: [efloraofindia:283241] Unidentified plants from East Khasi Hills. To: "J.M. Garg" Dear Gargji Buddleja macrostachya Regards On 15

[efloraofindia:284123] Fwd: Climber Id from BD_SM_1204 2

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Hi, Sourav ji, Image is too small to see any details. In future, pl. post min. 800 by 600 pixel image along with details & max. 3 id request per day in separate mails. Pl. check with images at *Cucumis maderaspatanus* L.

[efloraofindia:284127] Re: SK882 26 NOV-2017:ID

2017-12-15 Thread Saroj Kasaju
I guess so Mr. Garg. Could not point out due to confusion ! Thank you. Saroj Kasaju On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:55 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > Find it closer to images at *Solena heterophylla* Lour. >

Re: [efloraofindia:284129] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 2

2017-12-15 Thread Aarti S. Khale
Garg Ji, Although picture is not too clear, looks like Polyscias Species to me. Regards, Aarti On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 7:38 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > Forwarding again for Id assistance please. > > I think a cultivated shrub from Bangladesh > > > > > -- Forwarded message

[efloraofindia:284115] Re: Unidentified plants from East Khasi Hills.

2017-12-15 Thread Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary
Buddleja macrostachya On Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:10:33 UTC+5:30, nnchatterjee wrote: > > Kindly request you to identify with scientific names. These photos have > been taken in East Khasi Hills, Meghalaya. > > Regards, > N. N. Chatterjee > -- You received this message because you are

Re: [efloraofindia:284122] Re: Tree for Identification from Patiala, Punjab-December 2017::NS01

2017-12-15 Thread Nidhan Singh
Thanks Dinesh Ji.. I think id is resolved now and does not seem contrary to views expressed herein... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[efloraofindia:284111] Re: Arisaema tortuosum

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Thanks, Pascal ji. On 15-Dec-2017 6:40 PM, "Pascal Bruggeman" wrote: > First and third picture is Arisaema concinumm, second picture is normal > tortuosum. Neglectum is a true and independent species that only occurs in > S India, particularly in Maharashtra state, but

Re: [efloraofindia:284117] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 5

2017-12-15 Thread Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary
Looks like some Dracaena sp?? On Friday, 8 December 2017 22:26:37 UTC+5:30, JM Garg wrote: > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Sourav Mahmud" > Date: 05-Dec-2017 9:21 PM > Subject: [efloraofindia:283110] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 > To: "efloraofindia"

[efloraofindia:284113] Fwd: SK890 07 DEC-2017:ID

2017-12-15 Thread J.M. Garg
Hi, Ritesh ji. On closer scrutiny of posted images, I also feel they are from the same plant. I should I take these as *Polygonum* *sagittatum* ? -- Forwarded message -- From: Saroj Kasaju Date: 8 December 2017 at 21:48 Subject: Re: SK890 07 DEC-2017:ID

Re: [efloraofindia:284135] Request for ID of a Shrub

2017-12-15 Thread Dinesh Valke
Most possibly *Rauvolfia tetraphylla*. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary < klchaudhar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Members, > > Request your help in identifying a Shrub. > > Photographed in Cherrapunjee area, Meghalaya, about 1500 m asl, in Sept > 2017 > >

Re: [efloraofindia:284132] Fwd: Shrub id from BD_SM_1203 5

2017-12-15 Thread Sourav Mahmud
Thanks Promila Ji On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Promila Chaturvedi < thegardener.chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dracaena fragrans. > > On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 10:26 PM, J.M. Garg wrote: > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: "Sourav Mahmud"

Re: [efloraofindia:284134] ID KANNUR 2

2017-12-15 Thread Dinesh Valke
Most probably *Strobilanthes ciliatus*. Regards. Dinesh On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Girish Kumar wrote: > Please identify this herb... probably Acanthaceae from Kannur District of > Kerala... > > Girish Kumar E > Assistant professor > P G Department of Botany >

Re: [efloraofindia:284136] Request for ID of a Shrub

2017-12-15 Thread Tapas Chakrabarty
I think you have reached to the species Dinesh ji. On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Dinesh Valke wrote: > Most possibly *Rauvolfia tetraphylla*. > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Kanhaiya Lal Chaudhary < > klchaudhar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>