Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016, Sergey via Info-cyrus wrote: On Wednesday 12 October 2016, Sergey via Info-cyrus wrote: I'm wrong, "expunge_mode: immediate" works. I was expecting quick delete, but it is slow: about 30 seconds or more. and a lot time for big mailboxes: some minutes. If I remember correctly, this "lazy" delete of message files is a performance optimization so that IMAP clients don't have to wait for the deletion to happen. Also, expunged messages don't count against the mailbox quota. Andy Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On Wednesday 12 October 2016, Sergey via Info-cyrus wrote: > I'm wrong, "expunge_mode: immediate" works. I was expecting > quick delete, but it is slow: about 30 seconds or more. and a lot time for big mailboxes: some minutes. -- Regards, Sergey Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On Tuesday 11 October 2016, Patrick Boutilier via Info-cyrus wrote: > > | The default for the imapd.conf(5) configuration option expunge_mode > > | has changed from default to delayed. > > > > I attempt to use "default" and "immediate" values for expunge_mode but > > messages remains to be on file system. This creates problems for users > > with overquoted mailboxes because these messages are included in quota. > > Are you sure that the messages are actually being expunged and not just > deleted from the client end? I'm wrong, "expunge_mode: immediate" works. I was expecting quick delete, but it is slow: about 30 seconds or more. I just had to wait little longer. -- Regards, Sergey Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On 10/11/2016 10:07 AM, Sergey via Info-cyrus wrote: On Tuesday 11 October 2016, Patrick Boutilier via Info-cyrus wrote: http://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/download/release-notes/2.5/x/2.5.0.html#imap-relnotes-2-5-0-upgrading Thanks. I see what link unchanged but redirection is not happening now. It can be read now. | The default for the imapd.conf(5) configuration option expunge_mode | has changed from default to delayed. I attempt to use "default" and "immediate" values for expunge_mode but messages remains to be on file system. This creates problems for users with overquoted mailboxes because these messages are included in quota. Are you sure that the messages are actually being expunged and not just deleted from the client end? Btw, it may be worth it to make the option for ignore expunged messages in quota ? <> Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On Tuesday 11 October 2016, Patrick Boutilier via Info-cyrus wrote: > http://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/download/release-notes/2.5/x/2.5.0.html#imap-relnotes-2-5-0-upgrading Thanks. I see what link unchanged but redirection is not happening now. It can be read now. | The default for the imapd.conf(5) configuration option expunge_mode | has changed from default to delayed. I attempt to use "default" and "immediate" values for expunge_mode but messages remains to be on file system. This creates problems for users with overquoted mailboxes because these messages are included in quota. Btw, it may be worth it to make the option for ignore expunged messages in quota ? -- Regards, Sergey Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On 10/11/2016 07:46 AM, Sergey via Info-cyrus wrote: On Saturday 19 September 2015, Patrick Boutilier wrote: https://docs.cyrus.foundation/imap/release-notes/2.5/x/2.5.0.html Looks for Default Change: delete_mode and Default Change: expunge_mode Hm. Link is moved now and possible changed. How can I found changes for 2.4 --> 2.5 update ? I look to redirected page but still not found desired section. I ran into this same problem: messages are not deleted from mail folders immediately. I added "expunge_mode: immediate" to imapd.conf but it does not help. :-( I use Cyrus-IMAP 2.5.9 now. http://www.cyrusimap.org/imap/download/release-notes/2.5/x/2.5.0.html#imap-relnotes-2-5-0-upgrading <> Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On Saturday 19 September 2015, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > https://docs.cyrus.foundation/imap/release-notes/2.5/x/2.5.0.html > Looks for Default Change: delete_mode and Default Change: > expunge_mode Hm. Link is moved now and possible changed. How can I found changes for 2.4 --> 2.5 update ? I look to redirected page but still not found desired section. I ran into this same problem: messages are not deleted from mail folders immediately. I added "expunge_mode: immediate" to imapd.conf but it does not help. :-( I use Cyrus-IMAP 2.5.9 now. -- Regards, Sergey Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
(I tried sending this message directly to Patrick B., and it was rejected because utexas.edu apparently has a high spam score? Anyway...) You have been extremely helpful: thank you very much! In particular, I was looking at the documentation here: http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs/cyrus-imapd/2.5.3/man.php which is the same old incomplete stuff that we were dealing with before, and was just about to sift through the mailing list archive to find out where the real documentation is being developed these days. To avoid confusion for armchair cyrus admins like myself, would it be possible to include a note at http://www.cyrusimap.org/docs pointing people to the new and improved documentation at https://docs.cyrus.foundation/imap ? On 9/19/2015 9:50 AM, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > On 09/19/2015 11:41 AM, Patrick Goetz wrote: >> Upgrading from 2.4.17 to 2.5.3 I kept the same configuration files, save >> for changing the names of some deprecated variables in >> /etc/cyrus/imapd.conf. >> >> >> Now I am noticing some unexpected behavior; namely when messages are >> deleted (in Thunderbird, Trash emptied and folders compacted) the >> messages seem to persist in ~/cyrus/user/my_username >> >> Was this the behavior before, and I just didn't notice it because I'm >> only ever looking in the mail folders when debugging, or is this a new >> feature of 2.5.x? >> >> In particular, I notice that the /etc/cyrus/cyrus.conf file appears to >> have these new fields which I didn't have before: >> >> # Expire data older than 28 days. >> # deleteprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 4 -D 28" at=0430 >> # expungeprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 4 -X 28" at=0445 >> >> >> I commented them out, thinking these were for removing old mail no >> matter what; i.e. deleted or not. Am I suddenly getting a delayed >> expunge feature that I didn't have in 2.4.17, hence need to uncomment >> the pruning lines above? >> >> Thanks. > > > https://docs.cyrus.foundation/imap/release-notes/2.5/x/2.5.0.html > > > Looks for Default Change: delete_mode and Default Change: expunge_mode > . Also, Underscores in cmd Names in cyrus.conf :-) > > > > > > > >> >> >> Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ >> List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ >> To Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus >> > > > > > Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ > List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ > To Unsubscribe: > https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus > Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
Upgrading from 2.4.17 to 2.5.3 I kept the same configuration files, save for changing the names of some deprecated variables in /etc/cyrus/imapd.conf. Now I am noticing some unexpected behavior; namely when messages are deleted (in Thunderbird, Trash emptied and folders compacted) the messages seem to persist in ~/cyrus/user/my_username Was this the behavior before, and I just didn't notice it because I'm only ever looking in the mail folders when debugging, or is this a new feature of 2.5.x? In particular, I notice that the /etc/cyrus/cyrus.conf file appears to have these new fields which I didn't have before: # Expire data older than 28 days. # deleteprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 4 -D 28" at=0430 # expungeprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 4 -X 28" at=0445 I commented them out, thinking these were for removing old mail no matter what; i.e. deleted or not. Am I suddenly getting a delayed expunge feature that I didn't have in 2.4.17, hence need to uncomment the pruning lines above? Thanks. Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
Re: 2.4.17 --> 2.5.3 Delayed expunge?
On 09/19/2015 11:41 AM, Patrick Goetz wrote: Upgrading from 2.4.17 to 2.5.3 I kept the same configuration files, save for changing the names of some deprecated variables in /etc/cyrus/imapd.conf. Now I am noticing some unexpected behavior; namely when messages are deleted (in Thunderbird, Trash emptied and folders compacted) the messages seem to persist in ~/cyrus/user/my_username Was this the behavior before, and I just didn't notice it because I'm only ever looking in the mail folders when debugging, or is this a new feature of 2.5.x? In particular, I notice that the /etc/cyrus/cyrus.conf file appears to have these new fields which I didn't have before: # Expire data older than 28 days. # deleteprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 4 -D 28" at=0430 # expungeprune cmd="cyr_expire -E 4 -X 28" at=0445 I commented them out, thinking these were for removing old mail no matter what; i.e. deleted or not. Am I suddenly getting a delayed expunge feature that I didn't have in 2.4.17, hence need to uncomment the pruning lines above? Thanks. https://docs.cyrus.foundation/imap/release-notes/2.5/x/2.5.0.html Looks for Default Change: delete_mode and Default Change: expunge_mode . Also, Underscores in cmd Names in cyrus.conf :-) Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus <> Cyrus Home Page: http://www.cyrusimap.org/ List Archives/Info: http://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/pipermail/info-cyrus/ To Unsubscribe: https://lists.andrew.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/info-cyrus
