Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, To me your example does not sound problematic assuming that your application is like a typical app - a clearly different thing than the store that sells apps (the store sells a lot of different apps and your is in no way relevant for operating the store etc). Also, for any particular real

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, This disclaimer is because every case can be a bit special. We are trying to avoid a case where someone clearly violates the license and then comes with explanation, because N.N. said years ago that ABCDC is ok. The basic rules are simple: - If you use Qt under open-source, check what

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, Note that I am not a lawyer, and also note that a generic comment may not be applicable in a specific case. If there is a company who wants to clarify their usage of Qt, it is best done by directly talking about that case. Remember, that the restriction on mixing is only relevant when Qt

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Krzysztof Kawa
> The key point is: The Qt Company, just like Trolltech initially and other > companies in between, does not want mixing open-source Qt and commercial Qt. > Reason is simple: if mixing was allowed, many companies would use it to pay > less for their use of Qt. > It is unfortunate that also real

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
31.03.2020, 22:57, "Bernhard Lindner" : > Hi Tuukka! > >>  I have also tried to explain these, but your tone feels rather aggressive. >> I do not >>  understand what makes you say: “Even a solo developer needs to hire a >> lawyer before >>  touching anything Qt-related.” > > Because this is

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Bernhard Lindner
Hi Tuukka! > I have also tried to explain these, but your tone feels rather aggressive. I > do not > understand what makes you say: “Even a solo developer needs to hire a lawyer > before > touching anything Qt-related.” Because this is what users hear in MLs and forums, when they ask about Qt

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Jean-Michaël Celerier
Regarding 5. : > Large company F is creating a product with Qt under commercial license. Part of the work is subcontracted to Company G that uses Qt under commercial license. Company G subcontracts some of the work further to low-cost Company H, who uses Qt under open-source license. This is

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Elvis Stansvik
Den tis 31 mars 2020 kl 20:46 skrev Elvis Stansvik : > > Den tis 31 mars 2020 kl 20:40 skrev Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest > : > > > > Il 31/03/20 20:34, Elvis Stansvik ha scritto: > > > Do you see the absurdity? For me as manager at F, to be sure we're not > > > breaking the contract with Frob,

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Elvis Stansvik
Den tis 31 mars 2020 kl 20:40 skrev Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest : > > Il 31/03/20 20:34, Elvis Stansvik ha scritto: > > Do you see the absurdity? For me as manager at F, to be sure we're not > > breaking the contract with Frob, we would have to stipulate our > > contract with G not only that

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest
Il 31/03/20 20:34, Elvis Stansvik ha scritto: Do you see the absurdity? For me as manager at F, to be sure we're not breaking the contract with Frob, we would have to stipulate our contract with G not only that they themselves stick with paid-support Frob tools, but that they in turn must

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Elvis Stansvik
Den tis 31 mars 2020 kl 19:32 skrev Tuukka Turunen : > > > > Hi Jérôme et al, > > > > This thread has long ago left the original question and become a discussion > about Qt licensing in general and especially about the point of not mixing > commercial Qt with open-source version of Qt. > > > >

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
31.03.2020, 20:34, "Tuukka Turunen" : > Hi Jérôme et al, > > This thread has long ago left the original question and become a discussion > about Qt licensing in general and especially about the point of not mixing > commercial Qt with open-source version of Qt. > > The key point is: The Qt

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Francis Herne
> ... > > Example 6: Company I is building two independent products with separate > development teams. One development team uses Qt under commercial license to > create product 1 and the other development team uses Qt under open-source > license to create product 2. This is ok. > Hopefully I was

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt, Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Francis Herne
On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 18:02:15 BST Tuukka Turunen wrote: > Hi, > > I apologise, if I have been unclear with words 'company' and project'. If > you read the license agreement and faq behind the links I have posted > multiple times, it should be rather clear what is meant. > Yours, > >

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi Jérôme et al, This thread has long ago left the original question and become a discussion about Qt licensing in general and especially about the point of not mixing commercial Qt with open-source version of Qt. The key point is: The Qt Company, just like Trolltech initially and other

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt, Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, I apologise, if I have been unclear with words 'company' and project'. If you read the license agreement and faq behind the links I have posted multiple times, it should be rather clear what is meant. Yours, Tuukka On 31.3.2020, 18.50, "Roland Hughes" wrote: I sent

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Jérôme Godbout
Hi, the mix is not a corner case, it’s the reality of many people around. We are a services compagnie, and this is really a headache to understand where it should fall since we do project for client but we are a single cie. The license of Qt have is such an ambiguity and our lawyer recommend

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi Andy, You are asking to explicitly define terms like project, company, product. These are rarely possible to define outside of the generic use of the term and each individual contract. I assume you understand that it is not possible to take any stand of those in an email. We have these

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest
Il 31/03/20 15:35, Tuukka Turunen ha scritto: The point of the "Prohibited combination" is to prevent a company or a chain of companies (like in a typical subcontracting scenario) from making part of the product with non-paid Qt and part with paid. Qt being as defined in the commercial license

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Andy
> "This is at the moment not listed as an allowed case..." And this again is here the Qt company is digging it's own grave. What constitutes a "product"? If a company has one team working on an open source library and another team using it in a proprietary application - what then? What if an

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, The point of the "Prohibited combination" is to prevent a company or a chain of companies (like in a typical subcontracting scenario) from making part of the product with non-paid Qt and part with paid. Qt being as defined in the commercial license agreement, i.e. including tools and

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread dbeancoltd--- via Interest
?? -Original Message- From: Tuukka Turunen To: Thiago Macieira ; interest Sent: Tue, Mar 31, 2020 01:03 PM Subject: Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers Hi Thiago, As I wrote a bit earlier, for completely independent

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi Thiago, As I wrote a bit earlier, for completely independent projects/products it is fine that one is using commercial and one open-source. This is much more likely to happen in a big corporation than a small company, but possible scenario in both. Note that these really should not be

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Giuseppe D'Angelo via Interest
On 3/31/20 1:22 PM, Tuukka Turunen wrote: For completely independent projects/products this is fine. Note that these really should not be same or in practice the same - or in any way depending, relating, using etc each other as defined in the license agreement. See licensing FAQ question 2.7

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday, 30 March 2020 16:59:11 -03 Elvis Stansvik wrote: > > Please read the commercial license agreement and the licensing FAQ. The > > restriction has nothing to do with open-source licensing. It is about a > > company, who is using a commercially licensed Qt not to use parts of the > > same

Re: [Interest] Reg Supported Qt version

2020-03-31 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:49:25 -03 praveen illa wrote: > Thanks for your email. > > The linux kernel security issues are in control for our board. We will > change it if required. I didn't say security. I simply said "support". Are you getting updates from your vendor? And now that you

Re: [Interest] Qt Creator licensing for companies with Qt Commercial developers

2020-03-31 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, For completely independent projects/products this is fine. Note that these really should not be same or in practice the same - or in any way depending, relating, using etc each other as defined in the license agreement. See licensing FAQ question 2.7 at https://www.qt.io/faq/ and License

Re: [Interest] QtWebkit error while building Qt5.12.7 sources

2020-03-31 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
31.03.2020, 11:54, "Ramakanth Kesireddy" : > Since the old compiler doesn't supports c++11, we got to use Qt WebKit 5.6.3 > only. However, we shall move to the latest 5.12 LTS once the compiler is > upgraded. > > So ICS 59.2 would be compatible with Qt WebKit 5.6.3? No, necessary patch wasn't

Re: [Interest] QtWebkit error while building Qt5.12.7 sources

2020-03-31 Thread Ramakanth Kesireddy
Since the old compiler doesn't supports c++11, we got to use Qt WebKit 5.6.3 only. However, we shall move to the latest 5.12 LTS once the compiler is upgraded. So ICS 59.2 would be compatible with Qt WebKit 5.6.3? On Tue, 31 Mar, 2020, 12:50 Konstantin Tokarev, wrote: > > > 31.03.2020, 05:32,

Re: [Interest] QtWebkit error while building Qt5.12.7 sources

2020-03-31 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
31.03.2020, 05:32, "Ramakanth Kesireddy" : > Thanks for your mail. > Can you let me know any specific version of ICU that shall be compatible with > Qt WebKit 5.6.3? If you use 5.9 branch (which you really have no reason not to use, AFAICS), it's 59.2 --  Regards, Konstantin