Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-19 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Tony Rietwyk t...@rightsoft.com.au wrote: Going WAY off topic, but: If they can convert LLVM to Javascript, why can't they convert to a JVM bytecode for Android, etc? Sounds like a great project! In the lines of this? http://vmkit.llvm.org/ The code

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-19 Thread Jason H
-project.org Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Tony Rietwyk t...@rightsoft.com.au wrote:   Going WAY off topic, but: If they can convert LLVM to Javascript, why can't they convert to a JVM bytecode for Android

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Mandeep Sandhu
] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web On 17/01/13 17:51, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 19:38, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 17:31, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
18.01.2013, 12:44, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com:  to know a minimum of 3 technologies, but more like 6: HTML, JS, CSS, MIME, MIME's a tech?!?! I thought it's just a standard used in emails and HTTP headers to define the content type. It's also a common way to distinguish file

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Mandeep Sandhu
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Konstantin Tokarev annu...@yandex.ru wrote: 18.01.2013, 12:44, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com: to know a minimum of 3 technologies, but more like 6: HTML, JS, CSS, MIME, MIME's a tech?!?! I thought it's just a standard used in emails and HTTP

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
18.01.2013, 13:35, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Konstantin Tokarev annu...@yandex.ru wrote:  18.01.2013, 12:44, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com:   to know a minimum of 3 technologies, but more like 6: HTML, JS, CSS, MIME,  MIME's

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 18/01/13 11:35, Mandeep Sandhu wrote: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Konstantin Tokarev annu...@yandex.ru wrote: 18.01.2013, 12:44, Mandeep Sandhu mandeepsandhu@gmail.com: to know a minimum of 3 technologies, but more like 6: HTML, JS, CSS, MIME, MIME's a tech?!?! I thought

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Samuel Rødal
On 01/17/2013 05:00 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 17/01/13 17:51, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 19:38, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 17:31, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Attila Csipa
On 18/01/13 13:41, Samuel Rødal wrote: No, NaCL provides sand-boxing as well and is thus a very safe alternative to downloading a native executable. Downloading and installing a browser plugin tends to be a much more stream-lined process too. I guess someone just needs to write a killer

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Jason H
...@gmail.com To: interest@qt-project.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web On 17/01/13 22:50, Jason H wrote: What is the web you speak of? LOL It's this one:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWW ;-) Anyway, that [zero-install

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Jason H
:43 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web to know a minimum of 3 technologies, but more like 6: HTML, JS, CSS, MIME, MIME's a tech?!?! I thought it's just a standard used in emails and HTTP headers to define the content type. SQL, .NET or Java or PHP, not to mention Linux/IIS

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Mandeep Sandhu
OT, but isn't that done by examining file extensions or file headers (like how the 'file' command works in Linux)? Once you've detected what the data is, you need to tell whomever asked about it what it actually is. You need a communication protocol for that. Like MIME. So you get the

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jason H scorp...@yahoo.com wrote: Bringing this discussion back to Qt, there is something that elegantly does this already. QML. Drop the idea that it is for GPUs and graphics and instead use it to serialize to HTML/JS/CSS (or my JML) and you have your new,

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Jason H
, 2013 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web OT, but isn't that done by examining file extensions or file headers (like how the 'file' command works in Linux)? Once you've detected what the data is, you need to tell whomever asked about it what it actually is.  You need

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Jason H
:23 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jason H scorp...@yahoo.com wrote:   Bringing this discussion back to Qt, there is something that elegantly does this already. QML. Drop the idea that it is for GPUs and graphics and instead use

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Jason H
-project.org interest@qt-project.org Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web Well I've been posting about QML as a web technology for over a year now. Maybe 2. And I'm on the Wt list for about a year ;-) I can understand why they want

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
18.01.2013, 18:24, Pau Garcia i Quiles pgqui...@elpauer.org: On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jason H scorp...@yahoo.com wrote: Bringing this discussion back to Qt, there is something that elegantly does this already. QML. Drop the idea that it is for GPUs and graphics and instead use it to

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread M. Bashir Al-Noimi
On 16/01/2013 09:30 م, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Jan Krause jan.krause.n...@gmail.com wrote: I read this post yesterday, I found Emscripten-Qt really promising

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread M. Bashir Al-Noimi
On 17/01/2013 09:50 م, Jason H wrote: What is the "web" you speak of? LOL Anyway, that [zero-install] is definitely a legitimate issue. However I have to puke and kick a puppy when it comes to overall web development. We were

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread d3fault
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Jason H scorp...@yahoo.com wrote: Bringing this discussion back to Qt, there is something that elegantly does this already. QML. Drop the idea that it is for GPUs and graphics and instead use it to serialize to HTML/JS/CSS (or my JML) and you have your new,

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-18 Thread Tony Rietwyk
-Original Message- Anyway, that [zero-install] is definitely a legitimate issue. However I have to puke and kick a puppy when it comes to overall web development. We were approaching something really good with Java and .NET, but these got sidelined by a handful of

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Jason H
17, 2013 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web On 17/01/13 03:07, d3fault wrote: Whoa. +1 for being simultaneously entirely pointless (hurr Let's compile cross-platform C/C++ into cross-platform INTERPRETED JavaScript) How's that pointless?  I, for a change, would *love

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/01/13 16:31, Jason H wrote: You all are doing it wrong!!! grin If you want to make Qt5 web-able, what you need is a way to directly translate the OpenGL calls of Qt5's QML to WebGL. I'm not even using OpenGL. There's nothing to translate. There's about 3000 lines of code that are

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
17.01.2013, 18:40, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 16:31, Jason H wrote:  You all are doing it wrong!!! grin  If you want to make Qt5 web-able, what you need is a way to directly  translate the OpenGL calls of Qt5's QML to WebGL. I'm not even using OpenGL.  There's

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Yves Bailly
Le 17/01/2013 15:31, Jason H a écrit : You all are doing it wrong!!! I've been researching this a week or so. Emcripten is not going to work. You do not want your binary transalted to JS. The demos are slow, and regardless of optimization will always be slow. 4MB of compressed javascript

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
17.01.2013, 18:49, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 16:43, Konstantin Tokarev wrote:  17.01.2013, 18:40, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com:  On 17/01/13 16:31, Jason H wrote:    You all are doing it wrong!!!  grin    If you want to make Qt5 web-able, what you need is a way

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Jason H
is there, and in metro areas is ok, but it cannot be compared to your home pipe. From: Yves Bailly yves.bai...@sescoi.fr To: interest@qt-project.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web Le 17/01/2013 15:31

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/01/13 16:53, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 18:49, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 16:43, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 18:40, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 16:31, Jason H wrote: You all are doing it wrong!!! grin If

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/01/13 16:43, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 18:40, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 16:31, Jason H wrote: You all are doing it wrong!!! grin If you want to make Qt5 web-able, what you need is a way to directly translate the OpenGL calls of Qt5's QML to

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/01/13 17:17, Yves Bailly wrote: Le 17/01/2013 16:10, Nikos Chantziaras a écrit : I don't have customers. Why does everybody assume that *everything* out there is developed on a commercial basis? Have you people never used a piece of software that is development by someone on their

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking more of ScummVM, DOSBox, Snes9x, etc. Would you run those on the server? Sure you can do it. But running on the client instead has enormous benefits. Having to download 10MB of JS is a small price to

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/01/13 17:31, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking more of ScummVM, DOSBox, Snes9x, etc. Would you run those on the server? Sure you can do it. But running on the client

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
17.01.2013, 19:38, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 17:31, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:  On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com  mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote:  I'm thinking more of ScummVM, DOSBox, Snes9x, etc.  Would you run those  on

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 17/01/13 17:51, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 19:38, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 17:31, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com mailto:rea...@gmail.com wrote: I'm thinking more of ScummVM,

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Jason H
. From: Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com To: interest@qt-project.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web On 17/01/13 17:51, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 19:38, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 17:31, Pau

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Bob Hood
+1 On 1/17/2013 1:50 PM, Jason H wrote: What is the web you speak of? LOL Anyway, that [zero-install] is definitely a legitimate issue. However I have to puke and kick a puppy when it comes to overall web development. We were approaching something really good with Java and .NET, but these

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
Hello, Me being the Debian maintaner for Wt, +1 (I think I was the first one to ever mention Wt in this list and in Planet KDE/Qt :-) ) On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Bob Hood bho...@comcast.net wrote: +1 On 1/17/2013 1:50 PM, Jason H wrote: What is the web you speak of? LOL

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Inderpreet Singh
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:20 AM, Jason H scorp...@yahoo.com wrote: Wt on the other hand, is C++ and takes care of all of that for you. You can provide a CSS, but you don't have to. It doesn't matter if tomorrow the web ditches HTML for XML or pure javascript, or ditches MIME headers for JSON

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-17 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
:* Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web On 17/01/13 17:51, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 17.01.2013, 19:38, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com mailto:rea...@gmail.com: On 17/01/13 17:31, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea

[Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-16 Thread M. Bashir Al-Noimi
Hi, I read this post yesterday, I found Emscripten-Qt really promising project, even I found it in Qt repository. Does anyone know whether Emscripten-Qt will join to Qt project? -- Best Regards Muhammad Bashir Al-Noimi

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-16 Thread Jan Krause
Am 16.01.2013 09:34, schrieb M. Bashir Al-Noimi: Hi, I read this post http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTI3NDc yesterday, I found Emscripten-Qt really promising project, even I found it in Qt repository. Does anyone know whether Emscripten-Qt will join to Qt project? --

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-16 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Jan Krause jan.krause.n...@gmail.comwrote: I read this posthttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTI3NDcyesterday, I found Emscripten-Qt really promising project, even I found it in Qt repository. Does anyone know whether Emscripten-Qt will join

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-16 Thread Alexander Nestorov
Has anyone tried passing the generated javascript to Google's closure compiler? https://developers.google.com/closure/compiler/ -- alexandernst ___ Interest mailing list Interest@qt-project.org http://lists.qt-project.org/mailman/listinfo/interest

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-16 Thread d3fault
Whoa. +1 for being simultaneously entirely pointless (hurr Let's compile cross-platform C/C++ into cross-platform INTERPRETED JavaScript) and extremely useful (launching a browser and pointing it to a web-page exhausts 99% of end-users' capabilities). Can't wait to see what comes from this.

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-16 Thread d3fault
I hope they port QtWebkit next, that way I can write my GUI in html/javascript to then have it rendered by Webkit, which will incidentally be running as html/javascript. The html/javascript html/javascript renderer. mind = blown (is dat sum bootstrap?) Ok I'll shutup now, d3fault

Re: [Interest] Bringing Qt, C++ To The Web

2013-01-16 Thread Alex Strickland
On 2013/01/17 03:36 AM, d3fault wrote: I hope they port QtWebkit next, that way I can write my GUI in html/_javascript_ to then have it rendered by Webkit, which will incidentally be running as html/_javascript_. The html/_javascript_ html/_javascript_ renderer. mind =