Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-30 Thread Yves Bailly
Le 27/09/2013 20:20, Thiago Macieira a écrit : On sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 13:44:23, Uwe Rathmann wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:13:33 -0400, K. Frank wrote: [...] The existence of 2 different systems is a problem of itself. The development is working on the QML side, while the

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-30 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 30 de setembro de 2013 08:52:37, Yves Bailly wrote: Sure some tweakings are needed here and there, because a mobile is not a desktop. But widgets are working fine despite some shortcomings, mostly related to the styles and stylesheets management in my case, which are also

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-30 Thread Philipp Kursawe
Well, at least the QComboBox in QML is a big joke (on the desktop). It usese a popup menu which is slow as hell and unscrollable with more than 10 entries. QML has to go a lng way until it works on the Desktop On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Thiago Macieira thiago.macie...@intel.com wrote:

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-30 Thread André Pönitz
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:20:24AM -0700, Thiago Macieira wrote: Every year in the Qt Developer Days plenary sessions, the audience asked for more bugfixing, fewer new features, and definitely no regressions. We listened. So instead of breaking QtWidgets by refactoring it, we kept it as-is,

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-30 Thread Thiago Macieira
On segunda-feira, 30 de setembro de 2013 15:47:07, André Pönitz wrote: People did not ask for replacing a well-known standardized language with established development and deployment processes by some ad-hoc domain specific language without similar provisions. People did not ask to shift their

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-28 Thread Uwe Rathmann
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:20:24 -0700, Thiago Macieira wrote: The Qt development team grew considerably during the Nokia time (which is a good thing of that time too), faster than the commercial business. The insane growth of the Qt development happened before - in the TrollTech days. From the

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-27 Thread André Somers
Op 26-9-2013 20:13, K. Frank schreef: Hello List! This whole Elop thing got me thinking about the history of Qt and Nokia. Nothing's perfect, of course, and everything's a mixed bag, but, all in all, do people think Nokia's involvement with Qt ended up helping Qt or not? I started using

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-27 Thread Uwe Rathmann
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:13:33 -0400, K. Frank wrote: Did this detour (for lack of a better word) end up being helpful? Nokia was not interested in the desktop and the previous user base. IMHO this had 3 effects: a) LGPL Good and bad: the business case of selling support licenses is dead (

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-27 Thread Thiago Macieira
On sexta-feira, 27 de setembro de 2013 13:44:23, Uwe Rathmann wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:13:33 -0400, K. Frank wrote: Did this detour (for lack of a better word) end up being helpful? Nokia was not interested in the desktop and the previous user base. IMHO this had 3 effects: a) LGPL

[Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-26 Thread K. Frank
Hello List! This whole Elop thing got me thinking about the history of Qt and Nokia. Nothing's perfect, of course, and everything's a mixed bag, but, all in all, do people think Nokia's involvement with Qt ended up helping Qt or not? I started using Qt after Nokia acquired Trolltech (2008?

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-26 Thread Atlant Schmidt
Frank, et al.: My *OPINION* is that Nokia sucked a lot of the energy out of Qt as they tried to bend it into being a mobile platform. In the process, the desktop (and my own area of interest, the embedded world) was greatly forgotten. The only thing that saved Qt from being sucked into

Re: [Interest] Semi-OT: Was Nokia net good or bad for Qt?

2013-09-26 Thread guillaume . belz
In Nokia-period, Qt gained (cot complet list) : * LGPL licence * creating Qt Quick for best mobile support * creating LightHouse (which become QPA) for best portability In final, I like actual Qt. I like Qt notorious, open gouvernance, mobile portability, future of Qt, etc. What care about Nokia ?