2013/2/21 Tjerk Anne Meesters datib...@php.net
Hi,
I found myself wanting a feature of array_filter() with which I can perform
filtering based on the array key instead of the value.
To scratch this itch, I decided to dive into C again and just add the
feature. My proposal is to add a third
Hi Sebastian,
I would be fine with that too, but this might break existing code that uses
internal functions which behave differently when a second argument is
passed.
One might also make the argument that creating an additional ZVAL that's
never used in a callback is a waste of cpu.
I'm not
Em 2013-02-21 4:06, Ferenc Kovacs escreveu:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Gustavo Lopes
glo...@nebm.ist.utl.ptwrote:
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/**sendrecvmsghttps://wiki.php.net/rfc/sendrecvmsg
The module ext/sockets, a wrapper around the sockets API, does not
include
support to recvmsg()
On 21 February 2013 07:08, Tjerk Anne Meesters datib...@php.net wrote:
Hi,
I found myself wanting a feature of array_filter() with which I can perform
filtering based on the array key instead of the value.
With the operative word here being *instead*, keeping in line with the
numerous other
2013/2/20 Derick Rethans der...@php.net:
Looks like it is time to forward this email from 2006 again:
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:57:32 +0200
From: Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com
To: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion
hi,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eloy Bote Falcon eloyb...@gmail.com wrote:
Agree. There are only a few core devs working daily in the PHP
internals. I would say please give the Language (and devs) a rest
motion, because there are a lot of bugs and work to be done but I'm
afraid that is
What you're bringing up is not at all about adapting. Adapting is
something we do at the extensions, frameworks and tools levels. I'm happy
to say PHP's ecosystem here is very healthy, in my opinion.
Adapting is not what we're dealing with here. We're talking about Adding.
By adding more and
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Leigh lei...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21 February 2013 07:08, Tjerk Anne Meesters datib...@php.net wrote:
Hi,
I found myself wanting a feature of array_filter() with which I can
perform
filtering based on the array key instead of the value.
With the
hi Zeev,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
What you're bringing up is not at all about adapting. Adapting is
something we do at the extensions, frameworks and tools levels. I'm happy
to say PHP's ecosystem here is very healthy, in my opinion.
Yes, most of
Zeev Suraski wrote:
There used to be a language that was the Queen of the Web. It was full of
clever syntax. It prided itself on having a variety of expressive ways of
doing the same thing. You're on the mailing list of the language that
dethroned it.
And the majority of END USERS are more
On 02/21/2013 08:14 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I do not have a single doubt. Why? Surveys are one of many ways to get
feedback. They have no contracting values but give us some numbers about
one rfc or another. That may help us to focus on one feature instead of
another if we see a large number
On 21/02/2013, at 6:12 AM, Lazare Inepologlou linep...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/2/20 Sanford Whiteman swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com
It still looks like some random characters bashed together by a monkey
with a keyboard.
+1, I am a fiend for ternary expressions and crazy
Pierre,
People who think differently from you are not necessarily blind of
stubborn. I honestly think that those comments were completely out of
line in several different ways.
Regarding 'voting with feet', it's an idiom, look it up.
Zeev
-Original Message-
From: Pierre Joye
Here is a counterpoint to that expressed by Lars. Many if not most
shared hosting providers don't offer PHP 5.4 yet. Ditto many
enterprises have yet to adopt it. The main reason? I think its that
old Backwards Compatibility issue that has been discussed heavily on
this DL.
When major
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
Once you're done thinking, decide for yourself. Does it make sense to be
discussing new language level features every other week? Or should we,
perhaps,
invest more in other fronts, which would be beneficial for a far
Zeev,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
Pierre,
People who think differently from you are not necessarily blind of
stubborn. I honestly think that those comments were completely out of
line in several different ways.
It is not my opinion but a simple fact.
Pierre Joye wrote:
Regarding 'voting with feet', it's an idiom, look it up.
I know, still do not think it fits as comment either here.
I read this as simply People are not leaving PHP in droves simply because it
does not have xxx - actually the opposite, but that growth in use is not into
Hello,
This might sound as a rant but I assure you it's not.
It's just how I see the things from my perspective and that of
my colleagues/employer.
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
What you're bringing up is not at all about adapting. Adapting is
something
People who think differently from you are not necessarily blind of
stubborn. I honestly think that those comments were completely out of
line in several different ways.
It is not my opinion but a simple fact.
That comment would have been funny if it wasn't sad. I'll leave it at
that.
It seems ZTS bulid is broken
/builddir/build/BUILD/php5.5-201302211230/ext/soap/php_xml.c: In
function 'soap_xmlParseFile':
/builddir/build/BUILD/php5.5-201302211230/ext/soap/php_xml.c:103:3:
error: too few arguments to function 'php_libxml_disable_entity_loader'
In file included from
-Original Message-
From: Florin Razvan Patan [mailto:florinpa...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 3:15 PM
To: Zeev Suraski
Cc: Lars Strojny; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at
hi,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
That's not adaptation in my book. That's addition. It's not the technology
landscape that changed that now you need annotations; It's that some people
consider this feature cool and useful, and want to import it into
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 14:37 +0100, Remi Collet wrote:
It seems ZTS bulid is broken
Fixed in fcd4b53 (and merge commits)
johannes
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-Original Message-
From: Pierre Joye [mailto:pierre@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:08 PM
To: Zeev Suraski
Cc: Florin Razvan Patan; Lars Strojny; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers
Mailing
List
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Give the Language a Rest motion (fwd)
hi,
On
On Feb 21, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Zeev Suraski z...@zend.com wrote:
There used to be a language that was the Queen of the Web. It was full of
clever syntax. It prided itself on having a variety of expressive ways of
doing the same thing. You're on the mailing list of the language that
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:17 AM, David Muir davidkm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/02/2013, at 6:12 AM, Lazare Inepologlou linep...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/2/20 Sanford Whiteman swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com
It still looks like some random characters bashed together by a monkey
In the slice of the community where I spend most of my time,
medium-to-large companies using PHP with their own custom code on
hundreds to thousands or even 10's of thousands of servers, neither
annotations nor getter/setter are anywhere on their wishlist radar. What
they most desire is
2013/2/21 Levi Morrison morrison.l...@gmail.com
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:17 AM, David Muir davidkm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 21/02/2013, at 6:12 AM, Lazare Inepologlou linep...@gmail.com
wrote:
2013/2/20 Sanford Whiteman
swhitemanlistens-softw...@cypressintegrated.com
It still looks
Hello, didn't read the whole thread, just a few messages at the start. But
because I'm replying to the starting message, it's not relevant :)
In principle, as a user-land developer, I agree with the motion. It's too
much fancy new shiny stuff lately and no actual improvement on the old
stuff that
VCS Account Approved: gabrielwu84 approved by rasmus \o/
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On 21 February 2013 16:30, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
In the slice of the community where I spend most of my time
No hard feelings, but it would be awesome if that part of the community
(the one that basically avoids social coding as far as I can see, not to be
taken as a sin,
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 16:54 +0100, Marco Pivetta wrote:
No hard feelings, but it would be awesome if that part of the community
(the one that basically avoids social coding as far as I can see, not to be
taken as a sin, but still meh) didn't just try to hold back PHP because
of business
On 21 February 2013 17:04, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de wrote:
The quoted business decision was We want something stable and fast, an
emphasis of fixing bugs over adding new ones. This sounds sane to me.
johannes
Doesn't exclude new features then: so what is this all about?
Personally I would love to see more RFCs focusing on performance and
less on syntax changes.
Some recent tests I performed indicate that JavaScript and Dart are
both significantly faster than PHP when working with just arrays and
numbers. If anyone is interested I can provide the test code for
Hello,
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
In the slice of the community where I spend most of my time,
medium-to-large companies using PHP with their own custom code on
hundreds to thousands or even 10's of thousands of servers, neither
annotations nor
On 21.02.2013, at 20:08, Levi Morrison morrison.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Personally I would love to see more RFCs focusing on performance and
less on syntax changes.
Some recent tests I performed indicate that JavaScript and Dart are
both significantly faster than PHP when working with just
On 2013-02-21, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
Personally I would love to see more RFCs focusing on performance and
less on syntax changes. Of course, a syntax change RFC, and even the
initial (often shaky) implementation of a syntax-related change is much
much easier to whip up than
replying inline
I think it would be helpful to have something like a roadmap with various
features and changes both in regards to language and features as well
as performance.
We have discussed before and the problem is the nature of the project: it
is an open source project where the
Le 21/02/2013 18:56, Ferenc Kovacs a écrit :
it is, and it is a chicken and egg problem:
even though that the usual my C-fu is weak argument doesn't apply there,
we still lack contributors, and the archaic nature of the current codebase
doesn't really helps bringing in new people.
even if a
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Pascal Chevrel pascal.chev...@free.fr wrote:
I am specifically thinking of Bugzilla which is already used by many open
source projects. It has a lot more features than your current bug tracking
system, it scales for large projects and it has a few Mozilla
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 19:13 +0100, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
I am specifically thinking of Bugzilla which is already used by many
open source projects. It has a lot more features than your current
bug
tracking system, it scales for large projects and it has a few
Mozilla
employees working
On 02/21/2013 03:02 AM, Florian Anderiasch wrote:
On 02/21/2013 08:14 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
I do not have a single doubt. Why? Surveys are one of many ways to get
feedback. They have no contracting values but give us some numbers about
one rfc or another. That may help us to focus on one
Arvids Godjuks wrote:
In principle, as a user-land developer, I agree with the motion. It's too
much fancy new shiny stuff lately and no actual improvement on the old
stuff that really needs fixing or updating/rewriting (PDO anyone? Years
behind every db driver extension there is in PHP, and as
On Feb 20, 2013, at 11:19 , Sebastian Krebs krebs@gmail.com wrote:
2013/2/20 Klaus Ufo klaus...@yahoo.fr
Hi there !
We all know that the current PHP API has flaws. Maybe we could use
namespaces to build a new coherent PHP API ? Like :
- \arr
- \num
- \str
and so on. Advantages
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 17:06 +0100, Marco Pivetta wrote:
On 21 February 2013 17:04, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de wrote:
The quoted business decision was We want something stable and fast, an
emphasis of fixing bugs over adding new ones. This sounds sane to me.
Doesn't exclude
On 02/21/2013 01:04 PM, Johannes Schlüter wrote:
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 17:06 +0100, Marco Pivetta wrote:
On 21 February 2013 17:04, Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de wrote:
The quoted business decision was We want something stable and fast, an
emphasis of fixing bugs over adding new
Hello List,
how about sort of Tick-Tock development model?
Tick = optimize/bugfix
Tock = shiny new features
e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Tick-Tock
cryptocompress
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Ferenc Kovacs in php.internals (Mon, 4 Feb 2013 09:47:11 +0100):
It was done by Rasmus on purpose, as there were memory issues with this
release what we couldn't track down/fix yet.
Should not these be removed or replaced as well?
http://windows.php.net/downloads/pecl/snaps/apc/3.1.14-dev/
And
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
Wow, people are still serving web files over NFS? Sounds painful.
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
So they are serving up all their PHP over NFS for some reason.
I've been
Hi!
F.e., how long have we been battled for annotations? With all
respects, it is about being blind and stubborn to say that PHP should
not have annotations. But due to some I'm happy with what we have
It is about being blind and stubborn to hold opinion different than
yours. And *this* not
On 02/21/2013 03:15 PM, Brendon Colby wrote:
NFS is so common for sharing files that saying Wow, people are still
serving web files over NFS? is like saying Wow, people are still
using the ls command to list directory contents on Linux? I think NFS
is still very widely used, even for sharing
Quoting Brendon Colby bren...@newgrounds.com:
We've invested a great deal of money in a high performance shared
storage system, so of course we want to use this system for absolutely
everything we can within reason, including sharing 1500+ PHP files to
our many web servers. I don't think most
Quoting dan...@zoltak.com:
Great points Brendon!
We have a similar architectural to your setup running NetApp filers,
Apache/PHP web servers performing shared hosting for over 40,000+
websites.
We pull over 35k IOPS and 80% are from PHP stats and getattr's.
Someone earlier mentioned
On 21/02/13 23:38, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
On 02/21/2013 03:15 PM, Brendon Colby wrote:
NFS is so common for sharing files that saying Wow, people are still
serving web files over NFS? is like saying Wow, people are still
using the ls command to list directory contents on Linux? I think NFS
is
On 02/21/2013 04:41 PM, Terry Ellison wrote:
On 21/02/13 23:38, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
On 02/21/2013 03:15 PM, Brendon Colby wrote:
NFS is so common for sharing files that saying Wow, people are still
serving web files over NFS? is like saying Wow, people are still
using the ls command to
2013/2/21 Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de
On Thu, 2013-02-21 at 19:13 +0100, Pascal Chevrel wrote:
I am specifically thinking of Bugzilla which is already used by many
open source projects. It has a lot more features than your current
bug
tracking system, it scales for large
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