Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Paul M. Jones
Hi all, > On Aug 15, 2020, at 18:27, kont...@beberlei.de wrote: > > The Voring RFC clearly states 2 weeks from the announcement on this list. Which rule was clearly not followed ... > If we consider the current vote an instance of human error ... which consideration I agree with ... > then i

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Andreas Leathley
On 16.08.20 01:07, Paul M. Jones wrote: /me furrows brow If I understand correctly, that means the currently-running vote overlaps with the discussion period? If so, that sounds (again) highly irregular. The proper thing to do here is a full reset: restart the 2-week discussion period at the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread kontakt
> Am 16.08.2020 um 01:08 schrieb Paul M. Jones : > > HI all, > > >> On Aug 15, 2020, at 18:00, Benjamin Eberlei wrote: >> >> Additionally, Derick and I are waiting for word from Sara and Gabriel at >> the moment, but we suggested to close and reset the vote to wait until the >> discussion

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Paul M. Jones
HI all, > On Aug 15, 2020, at 18:00, Benjamin Eberlei wrote: > > Additionally, Derick and I are waiting for word from Sara and Gabriel at > the moment, but we suggested to close and reset the vote to wait until the > discussion period is over on Tuesday to accommodate the criticism of us >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Benjamin Eberlei
On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 11:47 PM Jakob Givoni wrote: > This will probably be my only contribution to this thread so I'll keep > it simple: > > Am I in favor of a revote? Yes > Can I vote myself? No > Do I think a revote will change anything? No > Have there been any good arguments for why

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Jakob Givoni
This will probably be my only contribution to this thread so I'll keep it simple: Am I in favor of a revote? Yes Can I vote myself? No Do I think a revote will change anything? No Have there been any good arguments for why attributes need an ending delimiter? No The RFC says that > The main

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Benjamin Morel
> > I am for stopping the current voting too - because the results are very > different vs. the previous voting, they are almost random and the > discussion is still very hot which violates rule when voting can be > started. For what it's worth, I'm for resetting the voting, too, and restart it

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Michael Voříšek - ČVUT FEL
I am for stopping the current voting too - because the results are very different vs. the previous voting, they are almost random and the discussion is still very hot which violates rule when voting can be started. My personal opinion on the attributes is: - allow not grouped syntax (with @@

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Peter Bowyer
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 16:07, tyson andre wrote: > I also want a revote. > I do too. Partly because of the rules, but mostly because this discussion has gone on so long I am now less clear about what is an "ending delimiter" and why it matters than before. And whether the begin/end delimiters

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread tyson andre
Hi Internals, > Next to Theodore, at least 4 other people in this mailing list have > stated that they think the RFC process should be followed as stated in > the RFC documents (with proper time for discussion and voting, which was > clearly not adhered to) and/or that there is important

Re: [PHP-DEV] Proposal: Add PDO::checkLiveness method

2020-08-15 Thread twosee
> 2020年8月15日 上午2:16,Eric Norris 写道: > > Hey internals, > > I've submitted https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/5935 as a way to expose > an underlying PDO driver's check_liveness function to userland scripts. > Often advice given on the internet is to issue a no-op statement (e.g. > SELECT 1

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Paul M. Jones
> On Aug 15, 2020, at 04:54, Michał Marcin Brzuchalski > wrote: > > Currently you're the only one who wants to wipe the vote and there is no > much voices willing to follow your proposal. He's not alone. This whole re-vote on the attribute syntax has been highly irregular. This vote should

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Benas IML
On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 2:53 PM Björn Larsson wrote: > Den 2020-08-14 kl. 21:23, skrev Derick Rethans: > > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Sara Golemon wrote: > > > >> Derick was trying to be good and meet my beta3 deadline. > > And I even got that date wrong by a week. Oops. > > > >> Fortunately, I gave

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Björn Larsson
Den 2020-08-14 kl. 21:23, skrev Derick Rethans: On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Sara Golemon wrote: Derick was trying to be good and meet my beta3 deadline. And I even got that date wrong by a week. Oops. Fortunately, I gave him that deadline (while thinking RC1) knowing some kind of bullshit like

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Andreas Leathley
On 15.08.20 12:35, Michał Marcin Brzuchalski wrote: If you wanna follow democratic rules then first of all 4 is not a quorum. Secondly, you should be fine with additional voting about stopping current RFC vote, right? The RFC process has been agreed upon by the people involved with PHP. It

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Michał Marcin Brzuchalski
Hi Andreas, sob., 15 sie 2020, 12:24 użytkownik Andreas Leathley napisał: > On 15.08.20 11:54, Michał Marcin Brzuchalski wrote: > > I don't think there's anything significant changed in the RFC. I really > > doubt the vote result will change significantly. > > > > Currently you're the only one

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Andreas Leathley
On 15.08.20 11:54, Michał Marcin Brzuchalski wrote: I don't think there's anything significant changed in the RFC. I really doubt the vote result will change significantly. Currently you're the only one who wants to wipe the vote and there is no much voices willing to follow your proposal.

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Chris Riley
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 10:54, Michał Marcin Brzuchalski < michal.brzuchal...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Theodore, > > pt., 14 sie 2020, 22:16 użytkownik Theodore Brown > napisał: > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 2:23 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Sara Golemon wrote: > > > > >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Shorter Attribute Syntax Change

2020-08-15 Thread Michał Marcin Brzuchalski
Hi Theodore, pt., 14 sie 2020, 22:16 użytkownik Theodore Brown napisał: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 2:23 PM Derick Rethans wrote: > > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Sara Golemon wrote: > > > > > > Derick and Benjamin (and Sara), are these requests reasonable? If > > > > the RFC follows the discussion

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bump minimal OpenSSL version to 1.0.2 in PHP 8.0

2020-08-15 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 15.08.2020 at 11:04, Jakub Zelenka wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 09:59 Jakub Zelenka, wrote: > >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, 23:36 Gabriel Caruso, >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 19:16, Jakub Zelenka wrote: >>> Hi, Just a heads up that I would like to drop support for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bump minimal OpenSSL version to 1.0.2 in PHP 8.0

2020-08-15 Thread Jakub Zelenka
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020, 09:59 Jakub Zelenka, wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, 23:36 Gabriel Caruso, > wrote: > >> >> On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 19:16, Jakub Zelenka wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just a heads up that I would like to drop support for OpenSSL 1.0.1 in >>> PHP >>> 8.0 as it doesn't seem to be

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bump minimal OpenSSL version to 1.0.2 in PHP 8.0

2020-08-15 Thread Jakub Zelenka
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, 23:36 Gabriel Caruso, wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 at 19:16, Jakub Zelenka wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just a heads up that I would like to drop support for OpenSSL 1.0.1 in PHP >> 8.0 as it doesn't seem to be supported by any major distro (think that >> RHEL >> switched to