Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-14 Thread Yasuo Ohgaki
Hi Sara, On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Sara Golemon wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing > > Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! Could you add performance section? I would like to know performance impact always, but not all RFCs include

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Joe Watkins
Evening, > This is why I defined the TPE RFC to scope that permission SOLELY to the arguments section. I get that, but it doesn't make enough of a difference, in my opinion. > We can, and I'd settle for that as a first step, but as the RFC states, it doesn't do justice to the

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Sara Golemon
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Joe Watkins wrote: > Still, I regard editing someone else's work as poor form. > > Introducing a way to do that, and relying on social pressure to keep > everyone in check is not a good long term plan ... sounds great, until >

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Joe Watkins
Evening, I like the idea that we should pay more attention to setting out arguments, for and against. Still, I regard editing someone else's work as poor form. Introducing a way to do that, and relying on social pressure to keep everyone in check is not a good long term plan ...

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! > BUT, these Wikis have a history log. And if John Smith removes or > maliciously modifies an argument I've introduced, I'll notice, and > I'll be the first to ask for a public explanation of why he chose to > do so. Maybe they were right to do so, maybe they weren't. > Regardless, that'll

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Sara Golemon
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 7:26 AM, François Laupretre wrote: > Le 13/05/2016 à 15:30, Rowan Collins a écrit : >> >> If somebody adds something that is genuinely irrelevant (e.g. based on a >> simple misunderstanding of the RFC) then somebody else (*anyobdy* else) >> could remove

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Rowan Collins
On 13/05/2016 15:26, François Laupretre wrote [not in quite this order, I hope I haven't changed the meaning by grouping your sentences differently]: Le 13/05/2016 à 15:30, Rowan Collins a écrit : If somebody adds something that is genuinely irrelevant (e.g. based on a simple

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread François Laupretre
Le 13/05/2016 à 15:30, Rowan Collins a écrit : If somebody adds something that is genuinely irrelevant (e.g. based on a simple misunderstanding of the RFC) then somebody else (*anyobdy* else) could remove it. Maybe I am not candid enough but do you imagine what it could become on a

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Davey Shafik
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 13/05/2016 11:07, François Laupretre wrote: > >> Le 12/05/2016 à 19:33, Sara Golemon a écrit : >> >>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing >>> >>> Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting!

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Rowan Collins
On 13/05/2016 11:07, François Laupretre wrote: Le 12/05/2016 à 19:33, Sara Golemon a écrit : https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! -Sara As RFC author, what should I do with irrelevant arguments against my RFC ? Should I add a

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread Yasuo Ohgaki
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Sara Golemon wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing > > Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! Sure. I'll adopt this from now on regardlessly. Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-13 Thread François Laupretre
Le 12/05/2016 à 19:33, Sara Golemon a écrit : https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! -Sara As RFC author, what should I do with irrelevant arguments against my RFC ? Should I add a reply ? More generally, I don't like the idea

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-12 Thread Sara Golemon
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing >> >> Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! > > I like the idea, though I would suggest some limit on how big each > argument should be (maybe

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-12 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing > > Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! I like the idea, though I would suggest some limit on how big each argument should be (maybe informal recommendation) to not turn that section into a copy of the ML discussion. --

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-12 Thread Rowan Collins
Sara Golemon wrote: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! I would hope it would effect the discussion for the positive as opinions wouldn't need to be restated over and over again, and when it comes times to vote, those doing

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-12 Thread Sara Golemon
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Robert Williams wrote: > It reminds me of the election pamphlets that my state sends > out to inform voters of what the upcoming ballet measures are and what > various folks’ for/against arguments are. > I was literally looking at said

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-12 Thread Robert Williams
This would be great if everyone just wanted to state their stance and be done with it. It reminds me of the election pamphlets that my state sends out to inform voters of what the upcoming ballet measures are and what various folks’ for/against arguments are. But those arguments are collected

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-12 Thread Mike Willbanks
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Sara Golemon wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing > > Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! > Yes please! It certainly would make it far easier to see the arguments for and against and have a history of

[PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Third-party editing of RFCs

2016-05-12 Thread Sara Golemon
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.third-party-editing Let's make RFCs more useful before AND after voting! -Sara -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php