Hi Sara, any progress with your RFC? Can't wait to see it.
Thanks
Jan Dolecek
juzna...@gmail.com
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Sara Golemon poll...@php.net wrote:
Retrying this with reply-to-all. :)
I think it's an awesome moment for PHP and HipHop to work together! :)
I'll summarize
Cool! Looking forward to it.
Am 07.11.2012 um 06:41 schrieb Sara Golemon poll...@php.net:
Retrying this with reply-to-all. :)
I think it's an awesome moment for PHP and HipHop to work together! :)
I'll summarize what we have so far into an RFC.
-Sara
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM,
Hey Sara,
can you already show us how your take on Generics would look like? Maybe this
is a good moment for HipHop and PHP to do something together.
Am 06.11.2012 um 04:14 schrieb Sara Golemon poll...@php.net:
Sorry to be late to the conversation, but fwiw, HipHop is adding
Generics (and
Retrying this with reply-to-all. :)
I think it's an awesome moment for PHP and HipHop to work together! :)
I'll summarize what we have so far into an RFC.
-Sara
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Lars Strojny l...@strojny.net wrote:
Hey Sara,
can you already show us how your take on Generics
Sorry to be late to the conversation, but fwiw, HipHop is adding
Generics (and some other cool things) to our PHP implementation. We
plan to provide a PHP equivalent implementation in the form of a
pre-processor extension which can live in PECL. The implementation
would of course be cleaner if
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:17 AM, Levi Morrison morrison.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Especially if the ability was afforded to arrays as well (function
foo(arrayBar $array){})...
This would require O(n) runtime tests, I would definitely not go there.
Actually, it does not require O(n) runtime
Nobody wants to turn PHP into Java.
But, even if I agree for generics (or templates), I would like to know
where is the border line.
Classes, exceptions, interfaces, traits, type hinting in parameters = OK
Type hinting in object properties, type hinting of returned values, type
templating = KO?
On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Nikita inefe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, list. I want to propose generics. For those, who don't know what it
is, here's example: say we have a Comment class, that has a method getBody.
Also we have Collection class, that implements Traversable. Now, if I want
Stas,
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote:
Hi!
Hello, list. I want to propose generics.
Please no. If you need Java, you know where to find it. Java has a set
of great tools, great books, great community. And it's completely free.
Anybody who needs
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com wrote:
Stas,
On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote:
Hi!
Hello, list. I want to propose generics.
Please no. If you need Java, you know where to find it. Java has a set
of
Am 22.10.2012 um 21:44 schrieb Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.com:
This is not about turning PHP into Java. Can we get over that old rhetoric
already? Instead of bashing proposals like this, can we discuss them,
instead of this hatred for all things strict?
With that aside, I have mixed
On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 00:57 +0200, Christian Schneider wrote:
Basically it means that you type more (redundant) stuff to allow the
compiler to check some errors.
Which we can't do due to PHP's dynamic nature. For the engine to take
benefit from it we'd have to change the language.
All we
Especially if the ability was afforded to arrays as well (function
foo(arrayBar $array){})...
This would require O(n) runtime tests, I would definitely not go there.
Actually, it does not require O(n) runtime tests. The solution is
simple: store the type when it is created. Whenever an
Hi Nikita,
What you're asking for is useful in other languages, but it doesn't match
the style of PHP which is to be a quick and easy type-less scripting
language.
What you're proposing is clearly more suited to something like Java or C#,
but doesn't really belong here.
I'd also hate to see
No, this is useful in any OOP-language where there is such thing as type,
and people need to validate types.
I unerstand what you are saying about PHP being an easy language, but in
opinion if you don't want to use that feature you can not use it, as you
can not use typehinting in functions
On 21.10.2012, at 0:59, Nikita inefe...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, list. I want to propose generics.
skip
So, what you think?
I'm against having this in PHP.
For IDEs, the better solution is to use generics-like syntax in docblocks.
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Am 21.10.2012 um 13:33 schrieb Nikita Nefedov inefe...@gmail.com:
No, this is useful in any OOP-language where there is such thing as type, and
people need to validate types.
I question the need to validate types part. I'd say you're better off using a
completely different language if you
I see what you are trying to achieve, but I hope this will never make into
PHP mainly for impact on readability. I'd like to quote Eric Armstrong, a
passionate Java/Ruby dev:
I decry their very existence. They are the ultimate condemnation of
static
type checking--because their very addition
I actually don't have much experience with generics, so won't argue about
their readability, but this article is all about Java's implementation of
generics, so I don't know how much sense this article gives in that
context.
But it's ok, I see just one person that supported proposal. I think
Hi Rasmus,
Am 20.10.2012 um 23:02 schrieb Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com:
[...]
Personally I would hate to see this anywhere near PHP.
Do you mind explaining the why? Isn’t it better than new
Collection(TypeAsAString) and custom assertions in each and every method of
that collection class?
Hi!
Hello, list. I want to propose generics.
Please no. If you need Java, you know where to find it. Java has a set
of great tools, great books, great community. And it's completely free.
Anybody who needs Java can just do it. I see no need to turn PHP into Java.
--
Stanislav Malyshev,
Hello, list. I want to propose generics. For those, who don't know what it is,
here's example: say we have a Comment class, that has a method getBody. Also we
have Collection class, that implements Traversable. Now, if I want to validate
all insertions into collection of comments, I would need
On 10/20/2012 01:59 PM, Nikita wrote:
Hello, list. I want to propose generics. For those, who don't know what it
is, here's example: say we have a Comment class, that has a method getBody.
Also we have Collection class, that implements Traversable. Now, if I want to
validate all insertions
I see what you're trying to do but not a big fan of how it's being implemented
in the example given.
- Mike
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On Oct 20, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 10/20/2012 01:59 PM, Nikita wrote:
Hello, list. I want to propose generics. For those,
On 20 October 2012 23:09, Michael Stowe mikegst...@gmail.com wrote:
I see what you're trying to do but not a big fan of how it's being
implemented in the example given.
- Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2012, at 4:02 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 10/20/2012 01:59
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