Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-07-05 Thread Marcus Boerger
Hello Rui, Sunday, June 29, 2008, 3:36:58 PM, you wrote: Removing multibyte encoding support from PHP 5.3 will cause the severe incompatibility problem with the older PHP 5.x. As Stefan noted, Shift_JIS character encoding which is widely used in Japan is not flex safe encoding because it

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-07-05 Thread Rui Hirokawa
Hello Marcus, The script encoding is specified by a couple of different ways. (1) mbstinrg.script_encoding in php.ini (2) declare(encopding=Shift_JIS) on each PHP script - multibyte_encoding_001.phpt (3) BOM in Unicode script - multibyte_encoding_00[23].phpt

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-29 Thread Rui Hirokawa
Removing multibyte encoding support from PHP 5.3 will cause the severe incompatibility problem with the older PHP 5.x. As Stefan noted, Shift_JIS character encoding which is widely used in Japan is not flex safe encoding because it includes 0x5c (backslash) as second byte of a multibyte

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-29 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
Rui, thanks for your efforts on this. And yes, it would be really good if you could encourage some people to write more tests for this feature. We were completely lost in trying to maintain compatibility with this because of the lack of tests and documentation. Now we have something to go

RE: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andi Gutmans wrote: From: Lukas Kahwe Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was under impression parser multibyte support wasn't yet fixed. Was it? Maybe we should decide if this a show stopper or not. From my understanding we still do not have any example of

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Stefan Esser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is used when reading scripts that are in encodings like Shift-JIS which is very common in Japan. In any case, I have tried to get involvement from some people I know over there without much success. I've asked around a bit as well with

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 24.06.2008, at 16:10, Derick Rethans wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, Andi Gutmans wrote: From: Lukas Kahwe Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was under impression parser multibyte support wasn't yet fixed. Was it? Maybe we should decide if this a show stopper or not. From my understanding

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 24.06.2008, at 16:21, Stefan Esser wrote: If PHP 5.3 drops this feature it might close some multibyte security problems. However this also means that all those Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Taiwanese/... multibyte scripts will not run anymore. This forces systems to stay on PHP 5.2 which will

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Stefan Esser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Lukas, As such the conclusion can only be that investing any time in readding this feature would be a bad idea. If anyone actually uses this feature they will have to come out of the woodwork now or when 5.3 is out. At this point we might

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Paweł Stradomski
W liście Stefan Esser z dnia wtorek 24 czerwca 2008: The problem here is that newer Asian systems will use UTF-8 (except those nations using characters not possible in utf-8) and therefore the customers of the PHP developers (on this list) will not need that support. UTF-8 can express all

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Asbjørn Sloth Tønnesen
Paweł Stradomski wrote: W liście Stefan Esser z dnia wtorek 24 czerwca 2008: The problem here is that newer Asian systems will use UTF-8 (except those nations using characters not possible in utf-8) and therefore the customers of the PHP developers (on this list) will not need that support.

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-24 Thread Edward Z. Yang
Asbjørn Sloth Tønnesen wrote: Some some minor inconsistencies, between Shift-JIS and Unicode. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode#Mapping_to_legacy_character_sets And I say good riddance! The yen/backslash conflation has given me plenty a PITA in the past. -- Edward Z. Yang

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-16 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! Maybe we should decide if this a show stopper or not. From my We had this functionality in 5.x. People used it. There's no reason to drop it except for patch authors not implementing it. I think it's just wrong to submit patch dropping significant chunk of PHP engine functionality,

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-16 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 16.06.2008, at 22:04, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! Maybe we should decide if this a show stopper or not. From my We had this functionality in 5.x. People used it. There's no reason to drop it except for patch authors not implementing it. I think it's just wrong to submit patch

RE: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-16 Thread Andi Gutmans
-Original Message- From: Lukas Kahwe Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 3:10 PM To: Stas Malyshev Cc: Steph Fox; internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame I was under impression parser multibyte support wasn't yet fixed. Was it? Maybe we should

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-15 Thread Kevin Waterson
PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a Will PHP 5.3 be released with fileinfo or will be still me made to use hacks to detirmine mime types? Kevin -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-15 Thread Lester Caine
Kevin Waterson wrote: PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a Will PHP 5.3 be released with fileinfo or will be still me made to use hacks to detirmine mime types? Just stumbled on this one myself The Linux guys have put in a 'nice improvement to attachment

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-06-14 Thread Lukas Kahwe Smith
On 01.06.2008, at 07:11, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: Hi! PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a bit of ironing. I was under impression parser multibyte support wasn't yet fixed. Was it? Maybe we should decide if this a show stopper or not. From my

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-05-31 Thread Steph Fox
PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a bit of ironing. Win32 mail() doesn't. That's 'a bit of ironing'. The point of the post was: So can we focus on 6 for a bit please? Like, make it Unicode-only and iron out the BC issues arising from that as far as is

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-05-31 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
Hi! PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a bit of ironing. I was under impression parser multibyte support wasn't yet fixed. Was it? -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

[PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-05-30 Thread Steph Fox
Hi all, I'd like to set the world on fire before disappearing off for the rest of the day, so bear with me :) PHP 5.3 appears (to me at least) ready for release, give or take a bit of ironing. The only problem is the one of other-version compatibility, which really is a PHP 6 issue. We

Re: [PHP-DEV] New flame

2008-05-30 Thread Richard Quadling
2008/5/30 Steph Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I'd like to set the world on fire before disappearing off for the rest of the day, so bear with me :) At this stage, I was going to say Congratulations, go off and enjoy yourself. You deserve it!. Then I read the rest of the message. Now I