On 06.12.2015 09:46, Christian Stocker wrote:
>
> On 04.12.15 23:17, Andrea Faulds wrote:
>> Hi Florian,
>>
>> I think it's worth pointing out that for OS X, Apple themselves
>> distribute PHP, and in addition there's decent community package
>> managers (Homebrew's the one I like), and it's easy t
On 04.12.15 23:17, Andrea Faulds wrote:
> Hi Florian,
>
> Florian Anderiasch wrote:
>> On 04.12.2015 19:01, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>>> Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch:
I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is
kind of
sticking the finger
Hi Florian,
Florian Anderiasch wrote:
On 04.12.2015 19:01, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch:
I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is kind of
sticking the finger to everyone using Windows for PHP (not the language)
development.
On 04.12.2015 19:01, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch:
>> I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is kind of
>> sticking the finger to everyone using Windows for PHP (not the language)
>> development.
>
> Sorry, but that does not
On Dec 5, 2015 1:01 AM, "Sebastian Bergmann" wrote:
>
> Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch:
> > I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is kind of
> > sticking the finger to everyone using Windows for PHP (not the language)
> > development.
>
> Sorry, but that
On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Sebastian Bergmann
wrote:
> Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch:
> > I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is kind of
> > sticking the finger to everyone using Windows for PHP (not the language)
> > development.
>
> Sorry, bu
Am 04.12.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Florian Anderiasch:
> I hate to say it, but not providing an official Windows build is kind of
> sticking the finger to everyone using Windows for PHP (not the language)
> development.
Sorry, but that does not explain the special treatment of Windows.
Red Hat provi
On 04.12.2015 11:29, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Am 04.12.2015 um 00:09 schrieb Stanislav Malyshev:
>> Windows as a platform is different from Linux/Mac in several aspects
>
> True. But why does the PHP Project have to provide Windows binaries on
> php.net? Microsoft should be treated as any oth
On 4 December 2015 at 13:54, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 04/12/15 10:29, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> >> Windows as a platform is different from Linux/Mac in several aspects
> > True. But why does the PHP Project have to provide Windows binaries on
> > php.net? Microsoft should be treated as any ot
On 04/12/15 10:29, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>> Windows as a platform is different from Linux/Mac in several aspects
> True. But why does the PHP Project have to provide Windows binaries on
> php.net? Microsoft should be treated as any other downstream vendor: let
> them build their binaries on
On Dec 4, 2015 5:28 PM, "Sebastian Bergmann" wrote:
>
> Am 04.12.2015 um 00:09 schrieb Stanislav Malyshev:
> > Windows as a platform is different from Linux/Mac in several aspects
>
> True. But why does the PHP Project have to provide Windows binaries on
> php.net? Microsoft should be treated as
Am 04.12.2015 um 00:09 schrieb Stanislav Malyshev:
> Windows as a platform is different from Linux/Mac in several aspects
True. But why does the PHP Project have to provide Windows binaries on
php.net? Microsoft should be treated as any other downstream vendor: let
them build their binaries on
Disregard. I now see that a completed build was released.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Adam Howard wrote:
> With the holiday season quickly approaching and with more developers
> taking time off as a result, I would like to again propose (suggest) that
> January 2016 release maybe more appro
With the holiday season quickly approaching and with more developers taking
time off as a result, I would like to again propose (suggest) that January
2016 release maybe more appropriate. I would not wish for PHP development
to rush to release and I feel it would give everyone more time to review
Hi!
>> Well said. But why, then, do we provide Windows binaries?
Windows as a platform is different from Linux/Mac in several aspects: in
how easy it is to obtain binary (without php.net ones), how easy it is
to build one and how easy it is to an average user of the platform to do
that (building
Niklas Keller in php.internals (Thu, 3 Dec 2015 21:58:18 +0100):
>Yes, releases have been repackaged, see
>https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-December/51.html
Anyway, I got it to build and all tests passed. So did Anatol, I presume.
And the subversion tests with this relea
On 12/03/2015 12:58 PM, Niklas Keller wrote:
> Yes, releases have been repackaged,
> see
> https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-December/51.html
Ah, I misread. I thought you meant our php-7.0.0 tarball was a failed
release.
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Description: OpenPGP digital sig
Yes, releases have been repackaged, see
https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-December/51.html
Regards, Niklas
2015-12-03 21:47 GMT+01:00 Rasmus Lerdorf :
> On 12/03/2015 09:39 AM, Niklas Keller wrote:
> > Jan Ehrhardt schrieb am Do., 3. Dez. 2015 17:04:
> >
> > Ferenc Kov
On 12/03/2015 09:39 AM, Niklas Keller wrote:
> Jan Ehrhardt schrieb am Do., 3. Dez. 2015 17:04:
>
> Ferenc Kovacs in php.internals (Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:27:36 +0100):
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Bergmann
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 03.12.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Julien Pauli:
We, PHP, a
Niklas Keller in php.internals (Thu, 03 Dec 2015 17:39:35 +):
>Seems like a failed release, make test doesn't work for OpenSSL 1.0.2e.
>Heared other people have other issues on 1.0.1 as well.
On Windows you don't do 'make test', you do
N:\OpensslVC14.x64\openssl>nmake -f ms\ntdll.mak test
...
Jan Ehrhardt schrieb am Do., 3. Dez. 2015 17:04:
Ferenc Kovacs in php.internals (Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:27:36 +0100):
>On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Bergmann
>wrote:
>
>> Am 03.12.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Julien Pauli:
>> > We, PHP, are not distros maintainers.
>>
>> Well said. But why, th
Pascal KISSIAN wrote on 03/12/2015 13:30:
My main concern is about which php version will be included in the next
Ubuntu 16.04 LTS!
I wouldn't be surprised if most distros, whenever they add it to their
primary package repo, will package php7 separately from php5, and allow
them to be select
On Dec 3, 2015 10:27 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Bergmann
> wrote:
>
> > Am 03.12.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Julien Pauli:
> > > We, PHP, are not distros maintainers.
> >
> > Well said. But why, then, do we provide Windows binaries?
> >
> > --
> > PHP Inte
On Dec 3, 2015 10:18 PM, "Sebastian Bergmann" wrote:
>
> Am 03.12.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Julien Pauli:
> > We, PHP, are not distros maintainers.
>
> Well said. But why, then, do we provide Windows binaries?
I am sure I can find many mails, private or public, where you, as one out
of many, asked
Ferenc Kovacs in php.internals (Thu, 3 Dec 2015 16:27:36 +0100):
>On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Bergmann
>wrote:
>
>> Am 03.12.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Julien Pauli:
>> > We, PHP, are not distros maintainers.
>>
>> Well said. But why, then, do we provide Windows binaries?
>
>loaded quest
They just released:
https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2015-December/49.html
Kaplan
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> Is there an update on the OpenSSL front...?
> Is this release of OpenSSL going to be binary compatible or just source
> compatible?
>
-Message d'origine-
De : julienpa...@gmail.com [mailto:julienpa...@gmail.com] De la part de Julien
Pauli
Envoyé : jeudi 3 décembre 2015 16:11
>And remember if you don't agree with your actual package maintainers
>decisions, you still can switch distro.
>Julien.Pauli
It is not always you
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Sebastian Bergmann
wrote:
> Am 03.12.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Julien Pauli:
> > We, PHP, are not distros maintainers.
>
> Well said. But why, then, do we provide Windows binaries?
>
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On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:13 PM, François Laupretre
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Le 03/12/2015 11:17, Pierre Joye a écrit :
>>
>>> The releases must be kept on hold until these binaries (and other are
>>> done in the same time btw) are validated. See
Am 03.12.2015 um 16:10 schrieb Julien Pauli:
> We, PHP, are not distros maintainers.
Well said. But why, then, do we provide Windows binaries?
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Is there an update on the OpenSSL front...?
Is this release of OpenSSL going to be binary compatible or just source
compatible?
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Pascal KISSIAN wrote:
>>I'm just not sure why the release process has to be discussed right at the
>
>>moment and why you ask me to throw away everything how it is being done in
>
>>that release process that is not defined by me but proven to bring success
>
>>and i
>I'm just not sure why the release process has to be discussed right at the
>moment and why you ask me to throw away everything how it is being done in
>that release process that is not defined by me but proven to bring success
>and is being done for long time. If you have concerns and suggestio
> What I just wanted to say by the temperature is that I'm as human as
> anyone
> else and hopefully allowed to hype not less than anyone else. However
> there are always people who celebrate and people who serve, those who
> serve have to keep the cold head. I'm serving, that's it. Hope this
> exp
Hi Zeev,
> -Original Message-
> From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:z...@zend.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 1:09 PM
> To: Anatol Belski
> Cc: Sebastian Bergmann ; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> > My red wine
On Dec 3, 2015 6:51 PM, "François Laupretre" wrote:
>
> Le 03/12/2015 12:28, Pierre Joye a écrit :
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Sebastian Bergmann
wrote:
>>>
>>> Am 03.12.2015 um 12:10 schrieb Pierre Joye:
In my world, we build softwares from sources, then we may found
iss
> -Original Message-
> From: Ferenc Kovacs [mailto:tyr...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 2:25 PM
> To: Zeev Suraski
> Cc: Anatol Belski; Sebastian Bergmann; PHP Internals
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3,
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
> > My red wine is already cooling for two days, your preferential drink for
> > sure,
> > too. The moment is big. But how human it wants ever to be, it is hardly
> > applicable to the the job of delivering a release, even today. We should
> > n
Hi,
guys, just go out and say to the public, that due to Openssl security
fixes which are awaited and thus because we want to ensure that 7.0.0.
will be correctly working with it, we won't release 7.0.0 even as source
until we are sure the QA procedure is gone.
PHP can get really good bashin
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:13 PM, François Laupretre
wrote:
>
>
> Le 03/12/2015 11:17, Pierre Joye a écrit :
>
>> The releases must be kept on hold until these binaries (and other are
>> done in the same time btw) are validated. See it as part of the QA. As Remi
>> mentioned, many issues have be c
> My red wine is already cooling for two days, your preferential drink for
> sure,
> too. The moment is big. But how human it wants ever to be, it is hardly
> applicable to the the job of delivering a release, even today. We should
> not
> let us to hype but do a solid delivery with everything that
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015, François Laupretre wrote:
> Le 03/12/2015 12:28, Pierre Joye a écrit :
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Sebastian Bergmann
> > wrote:
> > > Am 03.12.2015 um 12:10 schrieb Pierre Joye:
> > > > In my world, we build softwares from sources, then we may found
> > > > issues. We
Le 03/12/2015 12:28, Pierre Joye a écrit :
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
Am 03.12.2015 um 12:10 schrieb Pierre Joye:
In my world, we build softwares from sources, then we may found
issues. We patch the sources to fix them and make everything work
together smoothly.
Hi Sebastian,
> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sebast...@php.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 11:59 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> Am 03.12.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Anatol Belski
QA and ready builds are important, but why is it tagged after all if it
might be retagged if any issues occur? Why isn't it frozen to a specific
commit but not tagged (via a public pushed tag) until everything is ready?
I understand that people really want PHP 7, but let's get it out
professionall
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Am 03.12.2015 um 12:10 schrieb Pierre Joye:
>> In my world, we build softwares from sources, then we may found
>> issues. We patch the sources to fix them and make everything work
>> together smoothly.
>
> Are you suggesting that PHP 7.0
Am 03.12.2015 um 12:10 schrieb Pierre Joye:
> In my world, we build softwares from sources, then we may found
> issues. We patch the sources to fix them and make everything work
> together smoothly.
Are you suggesting that PHP 7.0.0 will be changed, re-tagged, and then
released without a new rel
Le 03/12/2015 11:17, Pierre Joye a écrit :
The releases must be kept on hold until these binaries (and other are
done in the same time btw) are validated. See it as part of the QA. As
Remi mentioned, many issues have be caught during this process. If it
was only about delivering binaries, a d
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Am 03.12.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Anatol Belski:
>> IMHO offering a secure release which also fits with users expectations
>
> I would agree if this were about the release itself, PHP's sourcecode.
> It is not. It is about a binary. But I
Le 03/12/2015 09:55, Zeev Suraski a écrit :
Releasing it now would mean most of the world gets to actually
celebrate it on Dec 3rd, instead of turning it into a frustrating
waiting day. I find it hard to imagine people having an issue with us
saying the Windows binaries would be coming soon. Th
Den 2015-12-03 kl. 11:44, skrev Anatol Belski:
Hi Zeev,
-Original Message-
From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:z...@zend.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:55 AM
To: Anatol Belski
Cc: Sebastian Bergmann ; internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
On 3
Am 03.12.2015 um 11:44 schrieb Anatol Belski:
> IMHO offering a secure release which also fits with users expectations
I would agree if this were about the release itself, PHP's sourcecode.
It is not. It is about a binary. But I will shut up now.
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Hi Sebastian,
> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sebast...@php.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:39 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> Am 03.12.2015 um 09:26 schrieb Anatol Belski:
&
Hi Zeev,
> -Original Message-
> From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:z...@zend.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:55 AM
> To: Anatol Belski
> Cc: Sebastian Bergmann ; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
>
> > On
Hi Zeev,
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote:
>
>> On 3 בדצמ׳ 2015, at 10:09, Anatol Belski wrote:
>>
>> I would just ask for some patience, as mentioned before - today by UTC the
>> announcement is going out. It is still December 3rd as planned. That's why I
>> was sending the aw
On Dec 3, 2015 1:58 PM, "Remi Collet" wrote:
>
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> Le 03/12/2015 06:51, Sebastian Bergmann a écrit :
> > Am 02.12.2015 um 09:42 schrieb Anatol Belski:
> >>> Do the Windows builds have to be available immediately when
> >>> the sources of PHP 7.0.0
> On 3 בדצמ׳ 2015, at 10:09, Anatol Belski wrote:
>
> I would just ask for some patience, as mentioned before - today by UTC the
> announcement is going out. It is still December 3rd as planned. That's why I
> was sending the awareness about the late UTC afternoon today.
>
Anatol,
We're not
Am 03.12.2015 um 09:26 schrieb Anatol Belski:
> No one was talking about a "blocker", everything looks good for today. A
> blocker colud be a critical issue, which by chance are often discovered
> short before release by the suspects you mentioned. No such issues are known
> ATM.
The decision to
Hi Andi,
> -Original Message-
> From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:a...@zend.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 8:43 AM
> To: Sebastian Bergmann
> Cc: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
>
> > On Dec 2, 2015, at 9:51
Hi Jan,
> -Original Message-
> From: Jan Ehrhardt [mailto:php...@ehrhardt.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 1:53 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> "Anatol Belski" in php.internals (Wed, 2 Dec 2015
Hi Sebastian,
> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sebast...@php.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 6:51 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> Am 02.12.2015 um 09:42 schrieb Anatol Belski
> On Dec 2, 2015, at 9:51 PM, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>
> Please do not get me wrong: I appreciate what Microsoft in general
> and you, Anatol, as well as Pierre in particular have done for PHP.
> But no vendor -- neither Microsoft nor Red Hat nor whoever else
> rolls binary distributions of P
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Le 03/12/2015 06:51, Sebastian Bergmann a écrit :
> Am 02.12.2015 um 09:42 schrieb Anatol Belski:
>>> Do the Windows builds have to be available immediately when
>>> the sources of PHP 7.0.0 are released?
>> Yes.
> I do not think that this means that
Am 02.12.2015 um 09:42 schrieb Anatol Belski:
>> Do the Windows builds have to be available immediately when the
>> sources of PHP 7.0.0 are released?
> Yes.
http://git.php.net/?p=php-src.git;a=blob;f=README.RELEASE_PROCESS
currently reads
"Ensure that Windows builds will work before packagi
"Anatol Belski" in php.internals (Wed, 2 Dec 2015 23:04:52 +0100):
> OpenSSL is releasing on 3rd between 1pm and 5pm UTC and contains some
> security fixes. As soon it is out, it'll need some time to build the bins
> and to test - that the normal practice when we collide with some library
> like Op
Hi Andi,
> -Original Message-
> From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:a...@zend.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 10:34 PM
> To: Anatol Belski
> Cc: Sebastian Bergmann ; internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> How’s it going?
>> To: internals@lists.php.net
>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>>
>> Am 02.12.2015 um 08:34 schrieb Anatol Belski:
>>> A short note to this is that due to the OpenSSL release on December
>>> 3rd that makes full sense to be included with th
> -Original Message-
> From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sebast...@php.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 9:01 AM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> Am 02.12.2015 um 08:34 schrieb Anatol Belski:
> > A sho
Am 02.12.2015 um 08:34 schrieb Anatol Belski:
> A short note to this is that due to the OpenSSL release on December 3rd that
> makes full sense to be included with the Windows builds, the PHP 7.0.0
> announcement will most likely appear later afternoon.
Do the Windows builds have to be available
Hi,
> -Original Message-
> From: Anatol Belski [mailto:weltl...@outlook.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 5:39 PM
> To: internals@lists.php.net
> Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP 7.0.0 final RTM delay
>
> Hi,
>
> based on the discussion of the last few days and the
Hi,
based on the discussion of the last few days and the reached consent, the final
date of the 7.0.0 RTM is shifted. RC8 is planned to appear on November 26th
instead of GA. 7.0.0 RTM will follow shortly on December 3rd.
The final release is going to be identical to RC8 with the exception of t
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