Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 28/08/12 18:14, Will Fitch wrote: You're right. My apologies. Good, I was a little worried that I might have missed something you didn't. It's all well and good. -- Andrew Faulds http://ajf.me/ -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

You're right. My apologies. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Andrew Faulds wrote: > On 28/08/12 18:07, Will Fitch wrote: > >> I just noticed the RFC is listed in the Accepted category. Did something >> change with the 2/3rds voting requirement? Right now, it stands at 64% >> Yes. >> > Sorry,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 28/08/12 18:07, Will Fitch wrote: I just noticed the RFC is listed in the Accepted category. Did something change with the 2/3rds voting requirement? Right now, it stands at 64% Yes. Sorry, disregard that previous email. I didn't look at the vote before sending it. If you look at the vote

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 28/08/12 18:07, Will Fitch wrote: I just noticed the RFC is listed in the Accepted category. Did something change with the 2/3rds voting requirement? Right now, it stands at 64% Yes. I think some naughty folks might have snuck votes in after voting was over. It was certainly >64% when accep

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

I just noticed the RFC is listed in the Accepted category. Did something change with the 2/3rds voting requirement? Right now, it stands at 64% Yes. On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:18 AM, Pierre Joye wrote: > hi, > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Johannes Schlüter > wrote: > > On Sun, 2012-08-26

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

hi, On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 21:07 +0300, Yahav Gindi Bar wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Will Fitch wrote: >> >> > Maybe the simplest solution is we have a minimum participation rate before >> > voting can be closed? >> > >> Th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, 2012-08-26 at 21:07 +0300, Yahav Gindi Bar wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Will Fitch wrote: > > > Maybe the simplest solution is we have a minimum participation rate before > > voting can be closed? > > > Though it make sense - it's a problem, because it'll delay and reject som

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Aug 26, 2012 7:42 PM, "Stas Malyshev" wrote: > > Hi! > > >foreach supports list syntax: 11 for yes, 4 for no. accepted. > >foreach supports list with silent token: 2 for yes, 10 for no. denied. > > And here's again the problem with this voting setup. With all these long > discussi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 27/08/12 15:49, Derick Rethans wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Andrew Faulds wrote: Hi derick, can't read the rules now, on mobile. If you're referring to top-posting/bottom-posting though, that's the fault of the Android Gingerbread email client, which sucks. So don't reply from a mobile. Besi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Mon, 27 Aug 2012, Andrew Faulds wrote: > Hi derick, can't read the rules now, on mobile. If you're referring to > top-posting/bottom-posting though, that's the fault of the Android > Gingerbread email client, which sucks. So don't reply from a mobile. Besides top-posting, all your emails als

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi: sorry to replying top. this is really a minor features, so few people are interesting in this. thus fewer people will vote for it. if people interesting in the RFC, he will vote. so I think it's okey.. thanks On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >>f

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi derick, can't read the rules now, on mobile. If you're referring to top-posting/bottom-posting though, that's the fault of the Android Gingerbread email client, which sucks. -- Sent from Samsung Mobile Andrew Faulds http://ajf.me/ Derick Rethans wrote: null

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Stas Malyshev wrote: > > And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to > > turn up, too bad. > > Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what > we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource > project), that's ho

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012, Andrew Faulds wrote: > They don't, you need voting karma too, having rfc karma isn't enough. > > And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn up, too > bad. Atleast if you post to this list, could you follow the guidelines? They are here: http://uk

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn >> up, too bad. > > Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what > we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource > proje

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Peter Cowburn wrote: > On 26 August 2012 18:48, Stas Malyshev wrote: >> >>> I got a PHP Wiki account but couldn't vote. Are you sure the Wiki >>> accounts got the permissions to vote? >> >> Hm... Not sure, maybe somebody has to enable it? > > There is a special gr

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi. I haven't really tried much of C++ to be honest, but its sheer size and complexity means we should best avoid it, IMO. It can be confusing enough trying to understand some parts of the Zend engine without having to deal with operator overloading, templates and so-on. C is small enough that,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi! > That's where it gets ugly, in my experience; there are lots of > mediocre C++ developers (and legions of even expert > PHP/JavaScript/Python/Ruby/etc. devs) who couldn't so much as use a > pointer without around to > check their NULLs and do their deletes for them. As a person who used bot

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

2012/8/27 Stas Malyshev : > Hi! > >> Only people with a VCS account (or voting group) can vote. > > OK, I stand corrected then, but participation rate is still awfully low. > We can't talk about consensus when everything is decided on one vote. How about send notification emails and if one didn't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 08/26/2012 06:34 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf > wrote: > > On 08/26/2012 06:18 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > Short of killing ourselves rewriting it in C++, I'm not sure there > > is an ideal solution to this p

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 08/26/2012 06:18 PM, Kris Craig wrote: >> Short of killing ourselves rewriting it in C++, I'm not sure there >> is an ideal solution to this problem. > > Because you think more people can grok C++ than C? That's not my > experience. C is

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > On 08/26/2012 06:18 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > > Short of killing ourselves rewriting it in C++, I'm not sure there > > is an ideal solution to this problem. > > Because you think more people can grok C++ than C? That's not my > experience. C

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 08/26/2012 06:18 PM, Kris Craig wrote: > Short of killing ourselves rewriting it in C++, I'm not sure there > is an ideal solution to this problem. Because you think more people can grok C++ than C? That's not my experience. C is essentially a subset of C++. Any strong C++ developer (I think I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > I honestly don't see what the problem is. If the sample is indeed random, > > there's no bias as to what the voters as whole would do, tough for close > > votes or for votes where very few people vote the result could differ. > > Th

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi! > I honestly don't see what the problem is. If the sample is indeed random, > there's no bias as to what the voters as whole would do, tough for close > votes or for votes where very few people vote the result could differ. The problem is that this is not consensus, this is apathy and dis

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > Yahav Gindi Bar wrote: > >> OK, I stand corrected then, but participation rate is still awfully low. > >We can't talk about consensus when everything is decided on one vote. >>> > >>> >> +1 >> But giving vote for anybody is kind

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Yahav Gindi Bar wrote: OK, I stand corrected then, but participation rate is still awfully low. > >We can't talk about consensus when everything is decided on one vote. > +1 But giving vote for anybody is kind of bad idea too... so its a problem Currently how many people ARE entitled to vot

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> > And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn >> > up, too bad. >> >> Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what >>

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn > > up, too bad. > > Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what > we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource > pro

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:20:41 +0200, Stas Malyshev wrote: Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource project), that's how democracy *doesn't work*. As you noticed, it is "too bad", and it is exactly the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 26 August 2012 19:20, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what > we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource > project), that's how democracy *doesn't work*. As you noticed, it is > "too bad", and it is exactly the problem

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi! > And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn > up, too bad. Putting aside the fact that democracy has very little to do with what we're trying to do here (we're not government, we're opensource project), that's how democracy *doesn't work*. As you noticed, it is "to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 26 August 2012 18:48, Stas Malyshev wrote: > >> I got a PHP Wiki account but couldn't vote. Are you sure the Wiki >> accounts got the permissions to vote? > > Hm... Not sure, maybe somebody has to enable it? There is a special group ("voting" IIRC) for wiki accounts with voting rights. "Ordin

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Andrew Faulds wrote: > They don't, you need voting karma too, having rfc karma isn't enough. > > Just what I thought, but because he said that wiki account should have the kama I've brought this up. Personally, I think it's good and really make sense~ > And this

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

They don't, you need voting karma too, having rfc karma isn't enough. And this is how democracy works, Stas. If voters don't bother to turn up, too bad. -- Sent from Samsung Mobile Andrew Faulds http://ajf.me/ Yahav Gindi Bar wrote: On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Will Fitch wrote: > Maybe the simplest solution is we have a minimum participation rate before > voting can be closed? > > Though it make sense - it's a problem, because it'll delay and reject some useful features because of requirements issue. > On Sun, Aug 26,

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Maybe the simplest solution is we have a minimum participation rate before voting can be closed? On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > Only people with a VCS account (or voting group) can vote. > > OK, I stand corrected then, but participation rate is still awfully low

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi! > Only people with a VCS account (or voting group) can vote. OK, I stand corrected then, but participation rate is still awfully low. We can't talk about consensus when everything is decided on one vote. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >>foreach supports list syntax: 11 for yes, 4 for no. accepted. >>foreach supports list with silent token: 2 for yes, 10 for no. denied. > > And here's again the problem with this voting setup. With all these long > discus

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi! > I got a PHP Wiki account but couldn't vote. Are you sure the Wiki > accounts got the permissions to vote? Hm... Not sure, maybe somebody has to enable it? -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime D

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > >foreach supports list syntax: 11 for yes, 4 for no. accepted. > >foreach supports list with silent token: 2 for yes, 10 for no. > denied. > > And here's again the problem with this voting setup. With all these long > di

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi! >foreach supports list syntax: 11 for yes, 4 for no. accepted. >foreach supports list with silent token: 2 for yes, 10 for no. denied. And here's again the problem with this voting setup. With all these long discussions about people not getting votes we have 15 people that bothe

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

On 25/08/12 13:33, Laruence wrote: Hi: Voting closed. Result: foreach supports list syntax: 11 for yes, 4 for no. accepted. foreach supports list with silent token: 2 for yes, 10 for no. denied. thanks for your great advise. I will commit the patch later. thanks

[PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE]Call for voting: support use list in foreach

Hi: Voting closed. Result: foreach supports list syntax: 11 for yes, 4 for no. accepted. foreach supports list with silent token: 2 for yes, 10 for no. denied. thanks for your great advise. I will commit the patch later. thanks On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Laruence