On 23/04/07, LAUPRETRE François (P) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+1 for '?php=' without the trailing ';'.
Just on a side note, the ; before ? is redundant already, as ? (or
any other close-tag) will do that implicitely.
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+1 for '?php=' without the trailing ';'.
From: Guilherme Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you plan to go far and remove the ? tags, so I suggest to
include a ?php=$something? into PHP.
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On Sat, April 14, 2007 4:49 am, Bart de Boer wrote:
And let me stress that this is something we're *forcing* people to do
when they're on a short tags enabled server... It's not something
they're allowed to do at free will... PHP's convention is currently
responsible for people creating
On Sat, April 14, 2007 11:07 am, Marcus Boerger wrote:
Hello Guilherme,
?= is also not confirm toxml spec. What we could do is ?echo.
I just don't understand why you think PHP source should conform to XML
spec...
I might use PHP to produce compliant XML.
But my PHP source code itself is
PHP source as an XML document...
[shudder]
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The XML standard...
HTML 4.01 compliance seems a bit trivial since there's already so much
forgiveness going
I suggest adding a new php.ini option: ignore_xml_tags, default to on, which
would cause the parser to just ignore ?xml .. ? tags.
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I think ASP tags
Hello David,
we're not going to add ini settings just to support worse code.
best regards
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Sunday, April 15, 2007, 8:14:12 AM, you wrote:
I suggest adding a new php.ini option: ignore_xml_tags, default to on, which
would cause the parser to just ignore ?xml .. ? tags.
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The XML standard...
HTML 4.01 compliance seems a bit trivial since there's already so much
forgiveness going on around that spec anyway...
Oliver Block wrote:
Am Samstag, 14. April 2007 11:49 schrieb Bart de Boer:
PHP's convention is currently
responsible for people creating
Hello Bart,
HTML is an SGML application while XHTML is an XML application. And XML is
basically a subset of SGML...
best regards
marcus
Sunday, April 15, 2007, 12:30:01 PM, you wrote:
The XML standard...
HTML 4.01 compliance seems a bit trivial since there's already so much
forgiveness
I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards
compliant and I think it's good if people are forced to make nice
standards compliant documents... I'd even go so far as to favor dropping
short tags too...
? echo ?xml version=\1.0\ encoding=\UTF-8\ ?\n; ?
What a mess!...
On 4/14/07, Bart de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards
compliant and I think it's good if people are forced to make nice
standards compliant documents... I'd even go so far as to favor dropping
short tags too...
? echo ?xml
And let me stress that this is something we're *forcing* people to do
when they're on a short tags enabled server... It's not something
they're allowed to do at free will... PHP's convention is currently
responsible for people creating non-standards-compliant documents... And
I think we
Bart de Boer wrote:
I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards
compliant and I think it's good if people are forced to make nice
standards compliant documents... I'd even go so far as to favor dropping
short tags too...
? echo ?xml version=\1.0\ encoding=\UTF-8\ ?\n;
PHP was never meant to win any beauty contests, nor to enforce
standards. If you want to take your argument to its logical conclusion
then you have to also take the next step and not allow literal entities
inside the PHP blocks, because that is also not standards compliant.
That means you cannot
I feel I can't disagree with my hero. :) But is that really so?
The XML spec says:
PI ::= '?' PITarget (S (Char* - (Char* '?' Char*)))? '?'
Doesn't Char* mean any char?
All the parsers seem to accept '' inside PI's without problems too.
Furthermore... PHP may not be the most beautiful of
If you plan to go far and remove the ? tags, so I suggest to include
a ?php=$something? into PHP.
Best regards,
On 4/14/07, Stut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bart de Boer wrote:
I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards
compliant and I think it's good if people are
Hello Guilherme,
?= is also not confirm toxml spec. What we could do is ?echo.
best regards
marcus
Saturday, April 14, 2007, 6:01:37 PM, you wrote:
If you plan to go far and remove the ? tags, so I suggest to include
a ?php=$something? into PHP.
Best regards,
On 4/14/07, Stut [EMAIL
The last time I used ASP tags: Never.
I wish they'd just go forever! People keep trying to use the on my
servers, fail and ask me to turn PHP's asp_tags on, I refuse, because I
run a shared PHP install, and so they move off elsewhere, rather than
change their code.
As it is, PHP is loosing me
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Daelhousen; Ron Korving
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] dropping asp_tags in HEAD
If you plan to go far and remove the ? tags, so I suggest to include
a ?php=$something? into PHP.
Best regards,
On 4
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why should PHP be compliant with a
standard that absolutely has nothing to do with the language (c.f.: XML) ?
Isn't it obvious that a file with the extension .php is NOT an XML file ? It
seems to me the short tags issue is starting to become a bikeshed
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Chris Malton wrote:
The last time I used ASP tags: Never.
I wish they'd just go forever! People keep trying to use the on my
servers, fail and ask me to turn PHP's asp_tags on, I refuse, because I
run a shared PHP install, and so they move off elsewhere, rather than
This sounds handy.
At least it's possible to use inside XML documents and are easy to use as ?=...
The topic discussion is about ASP tags. IMHO, they are useless and
just contribute to programmers write non-standards code. They should
be dropped.
On the other hand, I usually don't like short
On 4/14/07, Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Chris Malton wrote:
The last time I used ASP tags: Never.
I wish they'd just go forever! People keep trying to use the on my
servers, fail and ask me to turn PHP's asp_tags on, I refuse, because I
run a shared PHP
The last time I used ASP tags: Never.
I wish they'd just go forever! People keep trying to use the on my
servers, fail and ask me to turn PHP's asp_tags on, I refuse, because I
run a shared PHP install, and so they move off elsewhere, rather than
change their code.
asp_tags can be set in
On 4/14/07, Tijnema ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've seen the craziest things around, i've seen
hosting providers that had ASP and PHP both parsing every file, not
only .php or .asp, but also .html etc.
But they also had ASP tags enabled in PHP, and people got trouble
executing their ASP script
On 4/14/07, Nicolas A. Bérard-Nault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 4/14/07, Tijnema ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've seen the craziest things around, i've seen
hosting providers that had ASP and PHP both parsing every file, not
only .php or .asp, but also .html etc.
But they also had ASP tags
Hello Marcus,
I'm afraid you got it backwards. PHP source does not have to comply
with XML, or for that matter any other spec. The result of the PHP
code execution, should the desired output be XML, would of course
have to be.
So what the XML specification say is irrelevant for this
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 19:51 +0200, Edin Kadribasic wrote:
Hello Marcus,
I'm afraid you got it backwards. PHP source does not have to comply
with XML, or for that matter any other spec. The result of the PHP
code execution, should the desired output be XML, would of course
have to be.
Bart de Boer wrote:
I feel I can't disagree with my hero. :) But is that really so?
The XML spec says:
PI ::= '?' PITarget (S (Char* - (Char* '?' Char*)))? '?'
Doesn't Char* mean any char?
All the parsers seem to accept '' inside PI's without problems too.
If you pick your standards
Hello Edin,
if I care about generating PHP using XML tools it suddenly matters a lot.
best regards
marcus
Saturday, April 14, 2007, 7:51:43 PM, you wrote:
Hello Marcus,
I'm afraid you got it backwards. PHP source does not have to comply
with XML, or for that matter any other spec. The
I think Rasmus summarized pretty well the essence of the initial decision
that was made to include short tags. After getting all these precisions, I'm
more inclined to the statut quo side, not that my opinion really matters,
but I just feel there is no consensus right now and that this discussion
I think those exceptions would be acceptable for now. I like the concept
of an XML document that contains PHP code. Just like you have XML
documents that contain Javascript code. I think they should be parsable.
Since PHP was made for the web, I think we should try to obey the rules
of the
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On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 19:51 +0200, Edin Kadribasic wrote:
Hello Marcus,
I'm afraid you got it backwards. PHP source does not have to comply
with XML, or for that matter any other spec. The result of the PHP
code
On 4/14/07, Marcus Boerger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Guilherme,
if you would read the XML specs more carefulyl you'd find out that they
forbid stuff like ?= or even ?php=. consult the follwing excerpt:
2.6 Processing Instructions
[3] S ::= (#x20 | #x9 | #xD | #xA)+
[4]
Hello Tijnema,
Saturday, April 14, 2007, 11:13:17 AM, you wrote:
On 4/14/07, Bart de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think ASP tags should go too... Simply because it's not standards
compliant and I think it's good if people are forced to make nice
standards compliant documents... I'd even
On 12/04/07, Antony Dovgal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Surely we must to keep a setting just because two people in the world use it.
I'm afraid their apps won't run on PHP6 anyway because of numerous major changes
(already done and still planned), so one more cleanup won't hurt anyone.
This isn't
Surely we must to keep a setting just because two people in the world
use it.
I'm afraid their apps won't run on PHP6 anyway because of numerous major
changes
(already done and still planned), so one more cleanup won't hurt anyone.
This isn't cleanup. This is dropping a feature without a
Hi Tomas,
- Original Message -
From: Tomas Kuliavas
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007
ASP tags do collide with some html markup.
td width=10%
Boom.
That's not a problem. :-) If you're in PHP, that would be a string; if in
HTML, % isn't an opening tag:
php -d asp_tags=On -r echo 'td
Hi Tomas,
- Original Message -
From: Tomas Kuliavas
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007
ASP tags do collide with some html markup.
td width=10%
Boom.
That's not a problem. :-) If you're in PHP, that would be a string; if
in
HTML, % isn't an opening tag:
php -d asp_tags=On -r echo
On 13/04/07, Tomas Kuliavas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Surely we must to keep a setting just because two people in the world
use it.
I'm afraid their apps won't run on PHP6 anyway because of numerous major
changes
(already done and still planned), so one more cleanup won't hurt anyone.
This
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On 13/04/07, Tomas Kuliavas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Surely we must to keep a setting just because two people in the world
use it.
I'm afraid their apps won't run on PHP6 anyway because of numerous
major
changes
Well, then ? collides also. So the suggestion is to drop everything
but script language=php? ;)
To be really compliant this should be script type=text/php or some other
content-type :)
Uwe
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Ron Korving wrote:
(which is also why magic_quotes are being removed altogether
right?).
No, magic_quotes should be removed because they're dumb. The first thing
anyone does when writing portable PHP code is to filter all their input
through stripslashes() if magic_quotes is on, and then
I don't see why you are all against dropping the ASP tags. I see
people using ASP PHP in one script, what would that do? If ASP runs
first then there isn't a problem, but if PHP runs first, it would
execute the ASP code.
Tijnema
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On Thu, April 12, 2007 6:00 pm, Robert Deaton wrote:
I understand the need to remove short tags. Here's the reason: ?xml.
That's it?
I mean, we've co-existed with ?xml just fine for some time now,
allowing users to choose short_tags or XML, but not both, by setting
php.ini up the way they
On Fri, April 13, 2007 9:16 am, Tijnema ! wrote:
I don't see why you are all against dropping the ASP tags. I see
people using ASP PHP in one script, what would that do? If ASP runs
first then there isn't a problem, but if PHP runs first, it would
execute the ASP code.
There are actually
On 4/13/07, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, April 13, 2007 9:16 am, Tijnema ! wrote:
I don't see why you are all against dropping the ASP tags. I see
people using ASP PHP in one script, what would that do? If ASP runs
first then there isn't a problem, but if PHP runs first, it
I really can't see a reason to mantain ASP tags.
Ok, short tags is good because of ?=$something?, but it doesn't
behavior well with XML documents. So, if your intention is to change
short tags to ASP tag in a near future, ok. ASP tags does not mix XML
documents.
Otherwise, ASP tags is the most
Hello all.
If there are no objections, I'm going to drop asp_tags in HEAD tomorrow.
You can see the patch here:
http://tony2001.phpclub.net/dev/tmp/kill_asp_tags.diff
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Antony Dovgal wrote:
Hello all.
If there are no objections, I'm going to drop asp_tags in HEAD tomorrow.
You can see the patch here:
http://tony2001.phpclub.net/dev/tmp/kill_asp_tags.diff
Big objection from here. See my other email. Discussed and agreed
against removing tags since that
On 04/12/2007 11:39 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote:
Antony Dovgal wrote:
Hello all.
If there are no objections, I'm going to drop asp_tags in HEAD tomorrow.
You can see the patch here:
http://tony2001.phpclub.net/dev/tmp/kill_asp_tags.diff
Big objection from here. See my other email.
Please
Antony Dovgal wrote:
On 04/12/2007 11:39 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote:
Antony Dovgal wrote:
Hello all.
If there are no objections, I'm going to drop asp_tags in HEAD tomorrow.
You can see the patch here:
http://tony2001.phpclub.net/dev/tmp/kill_asp_tags.diff
Big objection from here. See my
IMO there is little to gain by dropping support for %, it only risks
breaking scripts relying on out.
On 12-Apr-07, at 3:32 PM, Antony Dovgal wrote:
Hello all.
If there are no objections, I'm going to drop asp_tags in HEAD
tomorrow.
You can see the patch here:
Antony Dovgal wrote:
On 04/12/2007 11:39 PM, Edin Kadribasic wrote:
Antony Dovgal wrote:
Hello all.
If there are no objections, I'm going to drop asp_tags in HEAD tomorrow.
You can see the patch here:
http://tony2001.phpclub.net/dev/tmp/kill_asp_tags.diff
Big objection from here. See my
On 04/13/2007 12:01 AM, Stut wrote:
I'm sure using an option which is Off by default have been causing a lot
of pain for them all these years, so it's time to fix the app and forget.
Yeah, one setting in php.ini against any number of tags in any number of
scripts. Now that's what I call a
Surely we must to keep a setting just because two people in the world use
it.
I'm afraid their apps won't run on PHP6 anyway because of numerous major
changes (already done and still planned), so one more cleanup won't hurt
anyone.
I'm going to come back from the dead to argue with you Tony,
On Thu, April 12, 2007 3:12 pm, Antony Dovgal wrote:
Surely we must to keep a setting just because two people in the world
use it.
I'm afraid their apps won't run on PHP6 anyway because of numerous
major changes
(already done and still planned), so one more cleanup won't hurt
anyone.
What
On 4/12/07, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, April 12, 2007 3:12 pm, Antony Dovgal wrote:
Surely we must to keep a setting just because two people in the world
use it.
I'm afraid their apps won't run on PHP6 anyway because of numerous
major changes
(already done and still
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Subject: [PHP-DEV] dropping asp_tags in HEAD
Hello all.
If there are no objections, I'm going to drop asp_tags in
HEAD tomorrow.
You can see the patch here:
http://tony2001.phpclub.net/dev/tmp/kill_asp_tags.diff
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