>
>
> And I wonder why that should have more precise rules than the ones we
> use to hand out accounts. Basically every candidate I imagine could get
> a "proper" account easily, if they want.
- we have a dedicated page for requesting vcs account
- we also have an agreed upon, loosely defin
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 10:23 +0200, Gustavo Lopes wrote:
> I think the issue is not who, in general terms, can vote, but how a
> determination that someone is covered by those terms is made.
>
> What is a "known" OSS project? For instance, which of these would
> qualify:
> http://en.wikipedia.o
On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:34:06 +0200, Pierre Joye
wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Stas Malyshev
wrote:
I have a problem that we don't have understanding of what is the goal of
this whole vote setup. What is it for? What we will be doing with it?
And please don't say "it says so in
Pierre Joye wrote:
I am ignoring the comment about FUDs because I have no idea what it is
> about, so I guess you are answering somebody other's comment that I have
> not read.
It was not for you directly but the voting opponent (the very few we
have) who cannot get over it. However you are ri
hi Stas,
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> The goal is to have community leader participating in our design
>> discussions and decisions. It has happened already for a couple of
>> RFCs (accepted and rejected) and went very well. The FUDs about core
>> devs, legacy
Hi!
> The goal is to have community leader participating in our design
> discussions and decisions. It has happened already for a couple of
> RFCs (accepted and rejected) and went very well. The FUDs about core
> devs, legacy developers and the like loosing control about the
> direction PHP takes
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:37 AM, Pierre Joye wrote:
> hi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
>
>> 1. Those with SVN [sic] access (but how does karma come into play?)
>
> It does, or we begin to have 2nd, 3rd and totally irrelevant classes
> of developers or doc writers.
A
hi,
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:29 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
> 1. Those with SVN [sic] access (but how does karma come into play?)
It does, or we begin to have 2nd, 3rd and totally irrelevant classes
of developers or doc writers.
> 2. Those without (how do we provide such rights? to whom?)
See
hi Stas,
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> I have a problem that we don't have understanding of what is the goal of
> this whole vote setup. What is it for? What we will be doing with it?
> And please don't say "it says so in RFC" - it is not a goal.
Let me clarify that a
On Apr 17, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Christopher Jones wrote:
>
>
> On 04/17/2012 03:50 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>>> sorry, I can't really follow you with that.
>>> do you have a problem allowing the non-vcs users (defined by the voting
>>> rfc) to vote, or do you have a problem providing a
On 04/17/2012 03:50 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
sorry, I can't really follow you with that.
do you have a problem allowing the non-vcs users (defined by the voting
rfc) to vote, or do you have a problem providing a clear way for them to
get their voting karma?
I have a problem that we don'
Hi!
> sorry, I can't really follow you with that.
> do you have a problem allowing the non-vcs users (defined by the voting
> rfc) to vote, or do you have a problem providing a clear way for them to
> get their voting karma?
I have a problem that we don't have understanding of what is the goal of
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:48 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg51948.html
> > Pierre said that it was a bug(better to say lack of restriction), that
> > everybody with wiki account was able to vote, so I changed the voting
> > plugin to on
Hi!
> http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg51948.html
> Pierre said that it was a bug(better to say lack of restriction), that
> everybody with wiki account was able to vote, so I changed the voting
> plugin to only allow the specific groups(vcs + voting) to be able to vote.
Thi
>
>
>>> Why would that be a separate thread? Isn't that what we're talking
>>> about? I.e. determining who gets voting access and who doesn't?
>>
>>
>> I just ask for clarification on how the community representatives (which
>> is defined in the accepted voting RFC) can get their karma.
>> You a
On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Kris Craig wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>>
>>>
Just to play devil's advocate (Satan and I go way back), what about
people who are established PHP develo
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Ryan McCue wrote:
> Kris Craig wrote:
>
>> An argument could be made that, as the users of PHP, they should be able
>> to have some say in its development.
>>
>
> As a PHP developer (that is, a developer who writes in PHP), I'd agree,
> *to an extent*. There are c
Kris Craig wrote:
An argument could be made that, as the users of PHP, they should be
able to have some say in its development.
As a PHP developer (that is, a developer who writes in PHP), I'd agree,
*to an extent*. There are certainly things that I'd like to be able to
vote on (such as addit
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Kris Craig wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>>
>>>
Just to play devil's advocate (Satan and I go way back), what about
people who are established PHP dev
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:14 AM, Kris Craig wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>
>>
>>> Just to play devil's advocate (Satan and I go way back), what about
>>> people who are established PHP developers but who generally don't
>>> participate in the development/dis
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
>
>> Just to play devil's advocate (Satan and I go way back), what about
>> people who are established PHP developers but who generally don't
>> participate in the development/discussion of PHP core? An argument could
>> be made that, as the
>
>
> Just to play devil's advocate (Satan and I go way back), what about people
> who are established PHP developers but who generally don't participate in
> the development/discussion of PHP core? An argument could be made that, as
> the users of PHP, they should be able to have some say in its
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > no, it only means that our internal processes aren't clear or easily
> > accessible.
> > people outside the circle can't do much, than asking people inside to
> > let them in.
>
> If somebody is an outsider to PHP development, why d
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > I'm not sure about it. AFAIK when I implemented my patch to restrict the
> > voting to the vcs users + the voting wiki group, we lost that ability.
> > (see http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg51932.htmlfor
> > th
Hi!
> I'm not sure about it. AFAIK when I implemented my patch to restrict the
> voting to the vcs users + the voting wiki group, we lost that ability.
> (see http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg51932.html for
> the history of that change)
I don't see any indication there that
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:58 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > no, it only means that our internal processes aren't clear or easily
> > accessible.
> > people outside the circle can't do much, than asking people inside to
> > let them in.
>
> If somebody is an outsider to PHP development, why d
Hi!
> no, it only means that our internal processes aren't clear or easily
> accessible.
> people outside the circle can't do much, than asking people inside to
> let them in.
If somebody is an outsider to PHP development, why do you think giving
him a deciding vote on it would be a good thing? O
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:32 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > the voting RFC explicitly states that it is possible for (some) non-vcs
> > users to vote, but there isn't any formal process on how can someone
> > apply for voting karma, and what is the decision making process on this.
>
> And wh
Hi!
> the voting RFC explicitly states that it is possible for (some) non-vcs
> users to vote, but there isn't any formal process on how can someone
> apply for voting karma, and what is the decision making process on this.
And what is the problem in not having the formal process?
> which went u
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > So this time, I would like focusing only on the following:
>
> I think before going into these, it is important to answer this
> question: what is the problem we're trying to solve?
>
>
the voting RFC explicitly states that it is p
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Nikita Popov wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Kris Craig wrote:
> > I reject the premise of that question because it implies that nothing in
> > PHP should ever be changed unless it's "fixing" something that's broken.
> > By that standard, it would be vi
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Kris Craig wrote:
> I reject the premise of that question because it implies that nothing in
> PHP should ever be changed unless it's "fixing" something that's broken.
> By that standard, it would be virtually impossible to get any new features
> added.
>
> With t
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > So this time, I would like focusing only on the following:
>
> I think before going into these, it is important to answer this
> question: what is the problem we're trying to solve?
>
> --
> Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
>
Hi!
> So this time, I would like focusing only on the following:
I think before going into these, it is important to answer this
question: what is the problem we're trying to solve?
--
Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
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(408)454-6900 ext. 227
--
PHP Inte
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I sent an email last year about this issue, but it got sidetracked (partly
> it was my fault):
> http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg54267.html
> So this time, I would like focusing only on the following:
>
> 1. W
Hi,
I sent an email last year about this issue, but it got sidetracked (partly
it was my fault):
http://www.mail-archive.com/internals@lists.php.net/msg54267.html
So this time, I would like focusing only on the following:
1. What are the requirements for getting voting rights in the wiki
wi
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