Guys,
I suggest we stop this thread now. It's just taking up time we could use to
more fruitfully in improving PHP. Please move any further rants off the
internals mailing list and keep them personal.
I do think that if there are some concrete suggestions to be heard that's
fine, but try and
Daniel C. wrote:
Things like Maybe we shouldn't advertise feature
sets that are still experimental and Maybe we should finish up with
these libraries before we move on to new ones. Later he suggested
that experimental libraries be removed from the core installation.
We are already doing this.
David Zülke wrote:
Microsoft with it's 95% browser market share [...] has the responsibility
They don't care about 'responsibility' at all
to continue development of Internet Explorer, because otherwise the
IE developement hasn't happened in years, they are just now rebuilding
the team they
Rasmus wrote:
Really ? Are you sure ?
http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week146.php
Ok, one self-serving fix.
I was (again) expecting exactly that kind of response. I dont
understand why so much arrogance exists among a select few. And
it unfortunately reflects the community's attitude.
So
PM
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Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental
extensions... all over again
Rasmus wrote:
Really ? Are you sure ?
http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week146.php
Ok, one self-serving fix.
I was (again) expecting exactly that kind of response
Oh boy, if you don't see the difference between concrete suggestions to be
heard that's fine, but try and keep it short, to the point, and
constructive and the email you sent then it is really preferable to
everyone here for you to stop emailing this list.
Andi
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Roshan,
I have to say I agree with many of the points you're making, and
disagreeing with quite a few as well. Since I do agree with Andi that for
whatever reason, this thread has turned non-constructive, I won't reply
point by point.
The main point I agree with you about is that it doesn't
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 17:14, Naik, Roshan wrote:
I dont beleive all the people are being pissed off. They are just
I didn't even bother reading past this line, and I'll be surprised if
anyone else responds to this because chances are you've already been
filtered out of existence. You're
Andi wrote:
Oh boy, if you don't see the difference between concrete
suggestions to be
heard that's fine, but try and keep it short, to the point, and
constructive
There were concrete solutions (if you cared to read. so atleast
read this one all the way)
And were also backed up by
Just to stop some maybe upcoming myths
On 26.8.2004 2:32 Uhr, Naik, Roshan wrote:
sockets, openssl, domxml are very useful extensions. Will these (and all the others)
ever get out of experimental ?
In PHP 5, dom and xsl are not EXPERIMENTAL anymore. This change should
have happend already with
On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote:
Hopefully belts will be tightened up around the extensions and the
responsibility taken up by their authors.
Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn
thing.
People volunteer their time and effort to this project. There are
Thanks for this quite useless and unproductive email.
I suggest to inform yourself slightly better on the tons of improvements
the PHP development team have made and where we are today vs. 4 years ago.
I suggest next time, if you want to be productive, you can contact us with
a concrete problem
On August 25, 2004 08:32 pm, Naik, Roshan wrote:
And exactly how long is it expected to continue to stay EXPERIMENTAL
?
The response was a predictable one, expressing indifference...
Between 15 days and 15 months
I'm afraid Derick's response was somewhat incorrect. Here is a more
On Aug 25, 2004, at 10:22 PM, Naik, Roshan wrote:
Nothing prevents us from treating people with patience and courtesy.
Except of course bad manners and bad attitude.
Posting this quote in this thread is beyond ironic.
George
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On Wed, 25 Aug 2004, Naik, Roshan wrote:
Wow, that was quite a rant from someone who hasn't contributed a damn
thing.
Really ? Are you sure ?
http://www.zend.com/zend/week/week146.php
Ok, one self-serving fix.
Even if I were someone who never contributed anything to php
and is just a user of it
Here we have a polite, if provocative, email, and two very nasty and
rude responses to it. Followed by a polite response from Roshan. If
you walk into a room and see an argument where one side is yelling and
being rude, and one person is responding calmly and politely, who
would you
Both you and roshan are more than welcome, if not encouraged, to stop
posting if you find us childish, immature and generally uncool dude.
We apologize for our inferiority, we really wish we had something better
to do than respond to your mails.
-Sterling
Here we have a polite, if
] Unfulfilled promises... forever experimental
extensions... all over again
Here we have a polite, if provocative, email, and two very nasty and
rude responses to it. Followed by a polite response from Roshan. If
you walk into a room and see an argument where one side is yelling and
being rude
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:54:38 +0200, David Zülke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you develop software, be it open or closed sourced, and this software
becomes a great success, you bear some responsibility. Microsoft with
it's
95% browser market share (and I don't care if it's 80%, 10%, 99%,
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, David Zülke wrote:
Same thing goes for PHP. You've developed something tens or houndreds of
thousands of developers all over the world are using. They rely on what you
tell them, their businesses rely on that, they need to move on, they need
reliable, stable software. Software
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