Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntax runtime-impacting RFC voting threshold to 60%

2017-09-13 Thread Nikita Popov
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 4:42 AM, Sara Golemon wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.voting-threshold > > This topic has come up on the mailing list a few times, so I'd like to > formally open the topic for discussion. > > I'm generally pretty liberal when it comes to allowing

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntaxruntime-impactingRFC votingthreshold to 60%

2017-09-13 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 14.09.2017 at 00:08m, Zeev Suraski wrote: > On 14 Sep 2017, at 1:03, Christoph M. Becker > > wrote: > > On 13.09.2017 at 23:38, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Christoph M. Becker [mailto:cmbecke...@gmx.de] > Sent:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntaxruntime-impacting RFC votingthreshold to 60%

2017-09-13 Thread Zeev Suraski
On 14 Sep 2017, at 1:03, Christoph M. Becker > wrote: On 13.09.2017 at 23:38, Zeev Suraski wrote: -Original Message- From: Christoph M. Becker [mailto:cmbecke...@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:25 AM To: Sara Golemon

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntaxruntime-impacting RFC votingthreshold to 60%

2017-09-13 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 13.09.2017 at 23:38, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Christoph M. Becker [mailto:cmbecke...@gmx.de] >> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:25 AM >> To: Sara Golemon ; PHP internals >> Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discuss]

RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntax runtime-impacting RFC votingthreshold to 60%

2017-09-13 Thread Zeev Suraski
> -Original Message- > From: Christoph M. Becker [mailto:cmbecke...@gmx.de] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:25 AM > To: Sara Golemon ; PHP internals > Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntax runtime-impacting > RFC

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] JSON_THROW_ON_ERROR

2017-09-13 Thread Andrea Faulds
Hi Jakub, I already replied to you off-list, but for the benefit of people on-list… Jakub Zelenka wrote: On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:24 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote: Hi everyone, Craig Duncan previously sparked discussion here about JSON's error-handling behaviour. Unfortunately, his

[PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntax runtime-impacting RFC votingthreshold to 60%

2017-09-13 Thread Christoph M. Becker
On 13.09.2017 at 22:42, Sara Golemon wrote: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.voting-threshold > > This topic has come up on the mailing list a few times, so I'd like to > formally open the topic for discussion. > > I'm generally pretty liberal when it comes to allowing the PHP > language to

[PHP-DEV] [RFC][Discuss] Increase non-syntax runtime-impacting RFC voting threshold to 60%

2017-09-13 Thread Sara Golemon
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/rfc.voting-threshold This topic has come up on the mailing list a few times, so I'd like to formally open the topic for discussion. I'm generally pretty liberal when it comes to allowing the PHP language to evolve and explore its identity, but the truth is a feature that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Sara Golemon
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tony Marston wrote: > "Sara Golemon" wrote in message > news:CAESVnVpUkM_W9xF+0Qt=2M61dGy40gtOehFo=u_f3gd87rm...@mail.gmail.com... >> +0.1 to removing case-insensitive constants, though we'd need to >> define both "null" and "NULL"

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Tony Marston
"Ryan Pallas" wrote in message news:caobuzdtmhxq285hwmc3x9th2rj9d7ty3vnhnpcbzdceppch...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Tony Marston wrote: You seem to forget that autoloading is an option, not a requirement. I don't use autoloading in my 14

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Tony Marston
"Levi Morrison" wrote in message news:cafmt4nrc43y-nl_v85qt7jgv1ohm0y4kexhb4e3mi1ejhj0...@mail.gmail.com... On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Tony Marston wrote: People who think that case sensitive software is cool are deluding themselves. When I started working on

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Ryan Pallas
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Rowan Collins wrote: > On 13 September 2017 14:15:43 BST, Ryan Pallas > wrote: > >I must be missing something, there is no autoloader shipped with PHP. > > Just to be pedantically correct, there actually is an

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Levi Morrison
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Tony Marston wrote: > People who think that case sensitive software is cool are deluding > themselves. When I started working on mainframe computers (UNIVAC and IBM) > in the early 1970s everything was case-insensitive. This was only

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Rowan Collins
On 13 September 2017 14:15:43 BST, Ryan Pallas wrote: >I must be missing something, there is no autoloader shipped with PHP. Just to be pedantically correct, there actually is an implementation shipped, see http://php.net/spl_autoload It's even the default if you don't

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Lester Caine
On 13/09/17 09:59, Tony Marston wrote: > People who think that case sensitive software is cool are deluding > themselves. When I started working on mainframe computers (UNIVAC and > IBM) in the early 1970s everything was case-insensitive. Life was so much easier when using an RTTY as the

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Rowan Collins
Regards, On 12 September 2017 21:35:51 BST, Levi Morrison wrote: >On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Rowan Collins > wrote: If we want function and class references, they should have their >own, unambiguous, syntax. >> >> I stand by this assertion.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Ryan Pallas
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:59 AM, Tony Marston wrote: > >> > You seem to forget that autoloading is an option, not a requirement. I > don't use autoloading in my 14 year old framework for several reasons: > - An autoloader did not exist when I created my framework. > - I

Re: [PHP-DEV] Deprecate and remove case-insensitive constants?

2017-09-13 Thread Tony Marston
"Sara Golemon" wrote in message news:CAESVnVpUkM_W9xF+0Qt=2M61dGy40gtOehFo=u_f3gd87rm...@mail.gmail.com... On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:02 AM, Christoph M. Becker wrote: Even if these issues could be resolved, I still think allowing both case-sensitive and case-insensitive

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: hash_hkdf() signature and return value

2017-09-13 Thread Joe Watkins
This proposal was rejected. 6 months has not passed since it was rejected. There will be no vote on these proposals in the near future. Please stop. Joe On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 3:52 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > Hi all, > > hash_hkdf() discussion was mess, but it came to

Re: [PHP-DEV] Wiki karma request

2017-09-13 Thread Joe Watkins
Granted Cheers Joe On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Haitao Lv wrote: > Username: lvht > > Access requested: Wiki create > > Reason: Create RFC for feature of Fiber (sackful coroutine) support. > > Thanks. > > Haitao Lv > > > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing