Re: [PHP-DEV] Grafts, Traits, horizontal reuse

. for each consecutive use of the same trait in the same class (if we really need that feature). (*) Yes, $hash shouldn't be a global, it should be a static member of a globalDataManager class or something. Makes no difference for purposes of this discussion. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330

Re: [PHP-DEV] Grafts, Traits, horizontal reuse

, but with strictly-trait-local state this is not an issue. A shame this can't be in 5.3 but we will get there. (: -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.0

Thanks to all for their hard work on this release. Will the cycle-breaking garbage collector be turned on as the compiled-in default and the recommended php.ini default? Please, please say yes. (: -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Type hinting revisited for PHP 5.3

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Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: Type hinting revisited for PHP 5.3

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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3.1 RC 1

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=48880 is reason enough to want a release soon - PHP 5.3 died a very fast death in production here. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.3.1 RC 1

for the final. But we won't do it if we do a RC next week as we will have more commits after RC1. Cheers, -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Tom

Re: Re[5]: [PHP-DEV] Design of the Zend Engine's Instruction Set

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[PHP-DEV] Can't report PHP bugs

; handlers can override this (see session_set_save_handler ). ; The default timeout is 1440 seconds (24 minutes). session.gc_maxlifetime = 1440 -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

[PHP-DEV] Update: the bug is in there (but who could tell?)

Turns out three bug submissions did go through. I went back and deleted two, leaving only bug #49335. The lack of any indication that it worked, and the mostly-whitescreen-and-an-error end result of the process, are still issues of course. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] shebang skipping in 5.3.0

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Re: [PHP-DEV] shebang skipping in 5.3.0

your own custom version of PHP. I don't know if that's relevant to this conversation, though :-) Mt. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for Comments: Horizontal Reuse for PHP

concluded traits can be commited to HEAD. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith m...@pooteeweet.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals

Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for Comments: Horizontal Reuse for PHP

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Stefan Marr p...@stefan-marr.de wrote: Hi: On 14 Oct 2009, at 22:44, Tom Boutell wrote: I'm very concerned about the practical consequences of introducing traits without state. Well, we have not found a sufficient design until now, which would fit nicely

Re: [PHP-DEV] 6.0 And Moving Forward

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Integrate PECL into PHP

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Re: [PHP-DEV] is GD being actively maintained?

tested it on PHP 5.4.4 on OSX and I can confirm, that the issue is still present. (used font: Open Sans Regular/Bold/Italic, screenshots: http://min.us/mM2c5yyBU ) Cheers Jannik Zschiesche -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Recycle PHP Log

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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 - end of live schedule

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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 - end of live schedule

(Really shouldn't run 5.4, rather) On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Has APC's PHP 5.4.x support matured yet to the point where folks are comfortable there's no environment in which you really shouldn't run 5.3? On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Florian

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.3 - end of live schedule

Sure. I wasn't asking for myself but rather in the context of how close 5.3 is to being reasonable to deprecate. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: hi, On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Has APC's PHP 5.4.x support

Re: [PHP-DEV] Ruby's symbols

If symbols could use the sign bit or otherwise distinguish from typical integer keys one would have some hope of meaningful debugging output. I don't think it makes sense to mix integer keys and symbol keys but being able to differentiate them for debugging purposes would be great. However

Re: [PHP-DEV] ext/gd/gd_ctx.c: In function '_php_image_stream_putc': error: 'struct gdIOCtx' has no member named 'data'

maintained by the PHP community. I'm not sure if what's in the PHP tarballs is different from what's on bitbucket and to what degree. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

Re: [PHP-DEV] Regarding BC bugs fixes and XKCD

broken stuff. Now if only we can find more people that actually fix stuff and less people that have time to post xkcd comics? --- Sherif, The always happy, never grumpy guy... -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC Autoboxing Draft

types available. While they implement strong typing (if wanted), they do not offer syntax cleanup. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Memory warning hook

. Thoughts? Thanks, Software Developer Nathan Bruer -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

[PHP-DEV] PHP crashes with multiple autoloaders if autoloader after the first does not return a value

this to folks' attention since it causes a lot of frustration for those using multiple frameworks, libraries, etc. all of which come with autoloaders. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe

[PHP-DEV] Re: PHP crashes with multiple autoloaders if autoloader after the first does not return a value

against this possibility and it winds up off the end of a list or referencing something previously removed. Any thoughts? On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Just opened a bug report: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=60042 The documentation does not indicate

Re: [PHP-DEV] enable mbstring by default

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[PHP-DEV] fclose(), file_put_contents(), copy() all fail to return false on error

as one HTTP request, but it could bite you with plain old files too. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] fclose(), file_put_contents(), copy() all fail to return false on error

wrote: Raised this 5 years ago.. http://marc.info/?l=php-internalsm=113998880315574w=2 Jared -Original Message- From: Tom Boutell [mailto:t...@punkave.com] Sent: 21 October 2011 20:40 To: PHP Internals Subject: [PHP-DEV] fclose(), file_put_contents(), copy() all fail to return

Re: [PHP-DEV] Will apc.optimization ever be put back to APC?

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Will apc.optimization ever be put back to APC?

optimizations have been either rolled into the standard compiler or made irrelevant by changes to the opcodes themselves. -Rasmus -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330

Re: [PHP-DEV] Phalanger

faster than the same code running under Mono. -Rasmus -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Constant arrays

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: internals Digest 4 Feb 2012 09:08:29 -0000 Issue 2549

another class, the enhanced constructor might need direct access to the backing-field. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate and remove /e modifier from preg_replace

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Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate and remove /e modifier from preg_replace

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Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate and remove /e modifier from preg_replace

, Nikita Popov nikita@googlemail.com wrote: Hi internals! I have written an RFC that proposes to *deprecate* and *remove* the /e modifier: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/remove_preg_replace_eval_modifier Comments welcome! -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate and remove /e modifier from preg_replace

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[PHP-DEV] pecl, zts, non-zts, fastcgi and Apache

an RFC that proposes to *deprecate* and *remove* the /e modifier: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/remove_preg_replace_eval_modifier Comments welcome! -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215

Re: [PHP-DEV] pecl, zts, non-zts, fastcgi and Apache

what the status of that is. --Kris On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I'm building a script that installs PHP 5.3.10 from source. One of the steps is to install apc and mongo support via pecl. I'm building the CGI/FastCGI version. This is on a box

Re: [PHP-DEV] pecl, zts, non-zts, fastcgi and Apache

as well afair. Then shouldn't a 'make install' of PHP have changed php-config on the spot? Why wouldn't the pecl install I do immediately after that be aware of the changes? The delay is what's puzzling. What good does it do me to look at php-config output if pecl doesn't seem to? -- Tom Boutell P'unk

Re: [PHP-DEV] Cannot build ext/intl on Fedora 15

wind up maintaining hacks to compile PHP from source. It discourages a very large community from trying new releases. Is this perhaps because some of the code being included in the PHP build happens to be C++ code? (Not readily apparent from the outside of course.) -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215

Re: [PHP-DEV] Cannot build ext/intl on Fedora 15

this again in a fresh install of ubuntu 11.x (shoot, forgot to take a virtualbox snapshot last time). On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote: On 02/26/2012 07:19 PM, Tom Boutell wrote: Bump - this is still a live issue on Ubuntu 11.10, for instance. I just hacked

Re: [PHP-DEV] Cannot build ext/intl on Fedora 15

' '--with-mcrypt' '--with-zlib' '--enable-mbstring' '--enable-ftp' '--with-xsl' '--with-openssl' '--with-kerberos' '--enable-exif' '--enable-intl' The quick fix is to build it shared, not statically. See also http://php.markmail.org/message/z2qkmbipmhhpwzx4 -Hannes -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Enum proposal (yet another)

without forcing strict typing up the call chain. Weak type hinting is a softer sell, but requires a lot of thought(much of which has been done, if you look in previous discussions) , about how and when to convert values. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] pecl, zts, non-zts, fastcgi and Apache

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Re: [PHP-DEV] pecl, zts, non-zts, fastcgi and Apache

Apache to the prefork MPM. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility to add finally to try/catch?

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Re: [PHP-DEV] pecl, zts, non-zts, fastcgi and Apache

worker and PHP article, thanks. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility to add finally to try/catch?

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Possibility to add finally to try/catch?

, Kiall Mac Innes ki...@managedit.ie wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Kiall Mac Innes ki...@managedit.ie wrote: Yes, You could abstract the try/catch into a new (and un-needed) function to try and emulate

Re: [PHP-DEV] '?=' with PHP5.3.10

short_open_tab.  It has no value--  *except* that, unfortunately, it's still widely used in many apps and even some frameworks TTBOMK. I personally like it and find value in its inclusion :) Adam -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Config setting to force all math operations to pass through BCMath library.

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Upgrade cURL extension

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Re: [PHP-DEV] Upgrade cURL extension

we discuss here but the new code proposed by Pierrick. Cheers, On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I'd sure like a PHP extension that didn't have this obvious and nasty bug: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=46439 On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Stas

Re: [PHP-DEV] Upgrade cURL extension

Sigh, I could have edited that better, but I think the apology came across (: This is still a thing worth fixing. On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I do see now that at curl did introduce the @ craziness. So it is unfair of me to single out PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

6, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I have to agree with that. Also: does PHP need to be a templating language anymore, given excellent templating language implementations in PHP, like Twig? On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, John Crenshaw johncrens...@priacta.com wrote

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

stupid Am 06.04.2012 23:20, schrieb Tom Boutell: To tell the truth I'd be more excited by a proposal to kill ?php entirely, or more realistically, to support an alternate file extension that doesn't need it. That would be an interesting option for those who want to put dribs and drabs of PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

I should have said breaking mysteriously in weird subtle ways if there are blank lines before ?php. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Knock it off with the ad-hominem attacks please. It's not change for the sake of change to propose that PHP move on from

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP as a template language

and mod_php get options so you can configure them to do the right thing. This wouldn't be an easy one and perhaps it's not practical, but that's no reason to be venomous. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List

Re: [PHP-DEV] Persistent zvals

Neat idea. I have considered writing persistent php servers that just accept requests serially. Possibly you could write a fastcgi server in pure php. That would still delegate most of the grunt work to apache. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Luke Scott l...@cywh.com wrote:

Re: [PHP-DEV] Persistent zvals

Indeed phpdaemon.net appears to cover this ground, although your idea might deliver higher performance. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2012, at 7:46 PM, Luke Scott l...@cywh.com wrote: I've spent the last few days pouring over the Zend engine source code. I think I have a basic understanding

[PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

.php continues to behave exactly as it does today, and can interoperate smoothly with code that uses .phpc. .phpc can require .php and vice versa. They are friends. Thoughts? -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

. There is no such thing as file name extension in URLs. Thus your idea should be forgot. Personally, I really think 1st of April is like continuing in the internals mailing list... 2012/4/7 Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com Now that the flamewar has died down a little I'd like to try to have a civil discussion about

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

that honored it, freeing end-user developers from thinking about it. It becomes self-contained, and people who are writing old-school .php standalone scripts or pages are entirely unaffected. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:50 AM, John Bafford dsha...@zort.net wrote: On Apr 7, 2012, at 09:39, Tom Boutell wrote

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

if there is a whitespace before #!/bin/sh? what have you got as answer there? again: please leave the world in peace with your poorly thought proposals - and yes this is a really polite answer compared with the thoughts running through my mind while reading your stuff -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Luke Scott l...@cywh.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: That's a good point too. I think this is a better proposal: include_code, require_code, and require_code_once would work just like include, require

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

I will. And thanks for your work maintaining gd- I should have mentioned that earlier. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: hi Tom, On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Now that the flamewar has died down

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

This is an attempt to protect people who have written inherently insecure code anyway. One should never do a dynamic require to any untrusted location, if ever at all, yes? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 8, 2012, at 8:00 AM, Ángel González keis...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/8, Yasuo Ohgaki:

[PHP-DEV] Creating an RFC: do I need to be blessed somehow?

Hi folks, I'm attempting to create an RFC on wiki.php.net but I don't get a create this page button. Is this the right place for me to start an RFC? Thanks. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List

Re: [PHP-DEV] Creating an RFC: do I need to be blessed somehow?

Thanks, I have access now. Do I need to have a patch in hand before publicizing an RFC? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Hi folks, I'm attempting to create an RFC on wiki.php.net but I

[PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

Discussion session and get the ball rolling formally. Please enlighten and I'll do whatever is required. Thanks! -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

by posting the RFC here, so go ahead and add it.  In the future, remember there's also an In Draft status for RFCs that haven't been announced here yet.  :) On Apr 8, 2012 9:32 AM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I have written an RFC proposing backwards-compatible support for source files

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

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Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

it was deleted  already. Anyway, he had a patch for it. https://gist.github.com/2266652 As I mentioned in other thread, we should better to have a switch to disable embed mode for security reasons. Regards, -- Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net 2012/4/9 Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

yohg...@ohgaki.net 2012/4/9 Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com: Moriyoshi was kidding, as near as I can tell (: To take it at face value though, the *cough* April 1st *cough* proposal of Moriyoshi calls for the complete abolition of the feature with no backwards compatibility with existing code

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

I agree, there should be no limiting of unrelated language features to half-protect people who can't plan where uploads go. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:11 AM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net wrote: Hi,

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

to run application when set specificaly and it would break if something set differently. PHP just got rid of it and you want to introduce a new optional feature that will change how PHP behaves. 09.04.2012 9:03 пользователь Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net написал: Hi, 2012/4/9 Tom Boutell

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Thanks. However, would you please fix the summary on the RFC's page to match the summary in the actual RFC? As you have written it, it implies that support for ?php would be completely removed

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

I think separating these rfcs makes sense, thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Yasuo Ohgaki yohg...@ohgaki.net wrote: Hi Tom, It's better to distinguish security related issue and others. Therefore, I listed Moriyoshi's proposal to RFC list and put my proposal in it.

[PHP-DEV] Re: RFC: source files without opening tag

of it is just responses to frequently raised concerns: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/source_files_without_opening_tag -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: RFC: source files without opening tag

to be the entry point / frontend controller / standalone script as well. As you say it must be done with SAPI options (the CLI included), not hardcoded file extension checking. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List

[PHP-DEV] Object oriented page templates in PHP

if it reasonably expected implode() to call the usual PHP function and not a method. Plus it's probably a real pain to implement in general. Thoughts? -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

realize there is confusion about this because of a separate and unrelated RFC to actually eliminate ?php. I agree that the security argument is bogus, but it was never one of my reasons for this proposal. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals

Re: [PHP-DEV] Object oriented page templates in PHP

dragoo...@gmail.com wrote: -1. PHP doesn't need more magic. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Nikita Popov nikita@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: What if PHP supported a short tag for calling a method of $this? Then one could

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

with ?php. It allows for backwards compatibility. If you must add keywords it should be something like require_template NOT require_code/require_file. Templates are the exception, not the norm. Luke Scott On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I have written an RFC

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

sell. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Luke Scott l...@cywh.com wrote: On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: It sounds like you are proposing to gradually kill the use of PHP for templating entirely, which I don't think is something people would vote for. I'm not saying

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

Also, your objection - that 'require_code' is confusing - would most likely be an issue for a handful of people who write autoloaders. Those clean PHP class files are almost always autoloaded. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I see what you're saying

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM, John Crenshaw johncrens...@priacta.com wrote: interoperability is somewhat reduced in the sense that all 3rd party code would have to be checked for the ?php I'm not sure what you mean by this part exactly? -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com

Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC: source files without opening tag

for suppressing warnings thrown by include without suppressing warnings/errors by the actual file -- I think we can all agree @include is counter productive since it does much more that suppress warnings thrown by include (even parse errors!). Luke -ralph On 4/9/12 12:23 PM, Tom Boutell

Re: [PHP-DEV] Object oriented page templates in PHP

(: On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney weierophin...@php.net wrote: On 2012-04-09, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: There's a reason I didn't try to kick this out as a fully formed RFC (: The choice of @ is a nonstarter, yes. I forgot that ? is a valid start code for PHP already

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

, which doesn't exist in version Y anyway, so I may as well take advantage of not having to type ?php anymore as well. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:33 PM, John Crenshaw johncrens...@priacta.com wrote: From: Tom Boutell [mailto:t...@punkave.com] On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:43 PM, John Crenshaw johncrens

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP class files without ?php at the top

Agreed, I will respond only on the RFC thread. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Kris Craig kris.cr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:11 AM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote: hi! On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: I agree, which is why

Re: [PHP-DEV] UPDATED RFC version 1.1: source files without opening ?php tag

] This is convoluted and forces me to write a .php frontend. Surely that is not your goal. -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Disabling PHP tags by php.ini and CLI options

To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- Tom Boutell P'unk Avenue 215 755 1330 punkave.com window.punkave.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Disabling PHP tags by php.ini and CLI options

, Tom Boutell t...@punkave.com wrote: Wouldn't this be a significant performance hit when multiplied by every class file in a project? On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney weierophin...@php.net wrote: On 2012-04-13, David Muir davidkm...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/04/12 14:55

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Go for votes for the open tag-less PHP files

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