will be for...
* multiples arguments
* multiples sentences
* no return value
closures could be kind of wordy but they are very clear about those.
Martin Scotta
Regards,
Stefan
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Paul Dragoonis dragoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:22 PM, David Zülke
david.zue...@bitextender.com wrote:
On 29.06.2011, at 22:20, Paul Dragoonis wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Ralph Schindler ra...@smashlabs.com
wrote:
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Stefan Neufeind neufe...@php.net wrote:
Hi,
I've lately discussed with a colleague which scopes of variables exist
for PHP or would probably make sense. In general I
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Paul Dragoonis dragoo...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Ferenc Kovacs tyr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Stefan Neufeind neufe...@php.net
wrote:
Hi,
I've lately discussed with a colleague
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Stefan Neufeind neufe...@php.net wrote:
On 06/23/2011 05:17 PM, Anthony Ferrara wrote:
Personally, I don't care for the concept of a block scope. I do
understand that it can have benefits and make certain tasks easier.
But it can also
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Alexey Shein con...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/6/8 Hannes Magnusson hannes.magnus...@gmail.com:
We have the situation in the docs that parameters declared as arrays
do not follow the typehinting rules, but parameters as class names do.
Re-using
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.comwrote:
No default values, other then NULL allowed.
Otherwise we would need to support array(classname, methodname)
too, and then people would want default array values for array
typehinting etc etc etc
Martin Scotta
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Ferenc Kovacs i...@tyrael.hu wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
Am 07.06.2011 15:08, schrieb Ferenc Kovacs:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote
Martin Scotta
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:32 AM, David Muir davidkm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/06/11 15:49, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 07.06.2011 04:42, schrieb Martin Scotta:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
Am 06.06.2011 23:40, schrieb Martin
Martin Scotta
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:43 AM, John Crenshaw johncrens...@priacta.comwrote:
$apos = curry strpos(..., 'a'));
$apos(); // runtime error wrong param count?
$apos(bar); // fine
$apos(bar, foo); // 'a' casted to long, used as offset?
$apos(bar, foo, 0
callback is callable, the opposite could not be true.
a string --or a closure-- is callable, but the string is not a callback
IMHO callable fits better.
Martin Scotta
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM, David Zülke david.zue...@bitextender.comwrote:
On 07.06.2011, at 21:12, Stas Malyshev wrote
Martin Scotta
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
weierophin...@php.net wrote:
My point is that perhaps PHP has missed the boat a bit by moving
everything into extensions. Perhaps if an extension
Martin Scotta
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
weierophin...@php.net wrote:
On 2011-06-01, Sean Coates s...@seancoates.com wrote:
Now, the only reason I would personally support the array shortcut is
if it was an implementation of JSON. I know that's
Martin Scotta
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.netwrote:
Am 06.06.2011 23:40, schrieb Martin Scotta:
It'd be very nice if some extension could be enabled just by dropping the
extension file on the path.
So developers can check what they have using
Martin Scotta
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote:
Hi!
The point, though, is that with such a typehint available, we can reduce
boilerplate code like the following:
Sure. How about reducing boilterplate code like this:
if(is_readable($foo
Martin Scotta
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Pierre Joye pierre@gmail.com wrote:
hi Derick,
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Derick Rethans der...@php.net wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Stas Malyshev wrote:
I'd like to set up a vote for the undecided TODO features on
wiki.php.net
Could we first go out with fully JSON compatible version for 5.4?
and then later decide the = stuff based on how that worked.
Native JSON is a big stuff for userland, and I'm pretty sure it will bring a
hole of core version upgrades.
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Sean Coates s
Martin Scotta
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote:
Hi!
annotations have been a central part of the last 100 or so JSRs and I've
only seen one or two informed objections, it's fairly obvious the list has
had very little experience with Java
Martin Scotta
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Anthony Ferrara ircmax...@gmail.comwrote:
Personally, I really don't care for something like this. Would it be
caught by a __call declaration if one existed (since it is a call to
an undefined method)? Would you expect it to?
Although
Martin Scotta
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Arvids Godjuks arvids.godj...@gmail.comwrote:
Well, maybe it's time to make some decisions and start to spin the wheels?
I's quite obvious that annotations are out for next release until they are
a
docbook/phpDoc style. Personally I do
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 05/10/2011 01:10 AM, Jordi Boggiano wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Lars Schultz
To explain what I mean, I'll use the example provided in the RFC. Could
anyone please explain the advantages of having
Martin Scotta
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Lars Schultz lars.schu...@toolpark.comwrote:
Am 10.05.2011 09:44, schrieb Ferenc Kovacs:
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Chad Fultonchadful...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk
wrote
Martin Scotta
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM, guilhermebla...@gmail.com
guilhermebla...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'd love if you ever discuss these items for 5.4:
- ReflectionNamespace
Currently it's impossible to grab a docblock that documents an
Annotations, for example, or even access
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Peter Lind peter.e.l...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/4/28 Martin Scotta martinsco...@gmail.com:
* snip *
IMHO I would not trust on any return value, as PHP did not ensure
anything
about them.
Even more, I do not write code that depend
Hey All,
I'm really interested on this topic.
What would be the result of this?
function Foo foo($something) {
if ( $something ) {
return new Foo;
}
// no return implies return null
}
How do you force to return a Type with null allowed?
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Apr 28
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Ben Schmidt mail_ben_schm...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
FWIW, I don't see much point in this either, as far as error reporting is
concerned. I think type checking for parameters can provide cheap and useful
validation, as parameters passed
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Matt Wilson sha...@gmail.com wrote:
Here's my issue:
We're borrowing a feature from strongly typed languages and forcing it on a
loosely typed language. I'm fine with this, if we're true to the concept.
In a regular language, if you type
Martin Scotta
2011/4/28 Johannes Schlüter johan...@schlueters.de
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 20:04 +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote:
Why I need being saved from documenting my code properly? Anyway, the
function code defines the behavior, declaration of return type just
ensures
function would
Martin Scotta
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Alessandro Nadalin
alessandro.nada...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/4/24 Etienne Kneuss col...@php.net:
Hi,
On Apr 24 22:13:47, Ángel González wrote:
reeze wrote:
Hi,
I am not sure it's the right place to discuss this. someday I found I
what about something like this?
$_GET += array( 'key' = 42, 'other' = 'blablah' );
echo $_GET [ 'key' ];
and it's already available on you current instalation :)
Martin Scotta
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Ben Schmidt mail_ben_schm...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
On 21/04/11 9:56 AM, Arpad
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Ben Schmidt
mail_ben_schm...@yahoo.com.auwrote:
1. Suppression of notice. I agree, it is best done only for array
keys. It's not hard to initialise a variable with $var=null at the
beginning of a code block to avoid such a notice
it.
With good data abstractions the usage of array_key_exists/isset/empty is
barely reduced to the minimum.
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Ben Schmidt mail_ben_schm...@yahoo.com.au
wrote:
There are two issues here.
1. Suppression of notice. I agree, it is best done only for array
It seems that there are no consensus about this feature so...
*if in doubt, leave it out.*
Martin Scotta
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Chris Stockton
chrisstockto...@gmail.comwrote:
Hello,
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
weierophin...@php.net wrote
if a variable was already defined is a bad programing habit, these
operators will encourage that kind of things
In the other hand, the isset check inside the condition ?: would silently
improve not-so-well written code, and could be a good feature for the lang.
Martin Scotta
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:27
extends these interfaces (private to core)
* very very fine type hint
* core implementation is not exposed
Martin Scotta
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 03/31/2011 07:41 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
On Mar 30, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Martin Jansen wrote:
On 30.03.11 21:36, Dan Birken wrote:
As for adding other string functions, I agree, I think
on it.
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Rasmus Lerdorf ras...@lerdorf.com wrote:
On 03/31/2011 08:45 AM, Philip Olson wrote:
- Intuitive name
Argh! Everyone should be forced to learn a bit of C. Like many PHP
functions, the name and argument order is right out of libc. If you
or Python... how do you do this in such languages?
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Hannes Landeholm landeh...@gmail.comwrote:
PHP's substr() is awesome and that comes from a person that code in at
least
5 different languages daily. Parsing is a problem in many real-world
,
Martin Scotta
\'' str
str \'\' str
str \'\' str
'str'
\'str\'
\'str\'
\'str\'
Martin Scotta
hi all,
pre
1?php ; ?1
22
3?php ; ?3
/pre
pre
11?php ; ?
22
33?php ; ?
/pre
First try works... but second fails
output:
1 1
2 2
3 3
1 12 2
3 3
is this the expected behavior?
Martin Scotta
... and if they don't catch
the error... then die.
it would be nice if all errors could be changed into exceptions.
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Hannes Landeholm landeh...@gmail.comwrote:
I second making time limit reached catchable. All non catchable fatal
errors
are a problem for me
that class Priv cannot be used outside A? no, you can
always return a reference.
namespace A {
class F {
static function getE() { return new E; }
}
private class E { }
}
var_dump( \A\F::getE() ); // object \A\E
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Chad Fulton chadful
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Chad Fulton chadful...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jarrod Nettles jnett...@inccrra.org
wrote:
Interesting question. My gut tells me not (as does three years of C#
experience). I’m sure that everyone will have a different opinion
I'm writing a RFC about improvements on the current OO Model.
do you want to add this?
http://wiki.php.net/rfc/object-model-improvements
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Jarrod Nettles jnett...@inccrra.org wrote:
Has there been any discussion on access modifiers for classes? I
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Ben Schmidt
mail_ben_schm...@yahoo.com.auwrote:
Are you suggesting this as an enum member function, or just a regular
function in any old class?
Enum member funcion? How much it should be like a class before you
call it a class?
Exactly
.. do they fit well? I don't think so
$h = new Hydrogen(); // What would mean this?
$h = Element::Hydrogen(); // probably with a static method
$h = Element::Hydrogen; // class constant? lack of objects support
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Alexey Zakhlestin indey...@gmail.comwrote
whether I answered this clearly. I don't think type hinting
is worth the implementation overhead (loss of efficiency) it would require.
Ben.
Martin Scotta
On 23/02/11 1:11 AM, Jarrod Nettles wrote:
Apologies - I wasn't suggesting we implement extension methods. I was
simply changing my
MySqlEnum {
A_CONSTANT, ANOTHER_ONE;
}
$foo = MySqlEnum::A_CONSTANT;
var_dump( (string) $foo ); // string A_CONSTANT
var_dump( MySqlEnum::ANOTHER_ONE === MySqlEnum::fromString('ANOTHER_ONE'));
MySqlEnum::getIterator(); // to iterate over the enum elements
Martin Scotta
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011
a fully qualified name into the
registered autoloaders.
/Framework/Web/Mvc/HttpVerbsEnum
-Original Message-
From: Martin Scotta [mailto:martinsco...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 11:27 AM
To: Thomas Gutbier
Cc: internals@lists.php.net
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Thomas Gutbier
thomas.gutb...@anthrotec.de wrote:
Jarrod Nettles wrote:
So, my proposed syntax would look something more like this.
I think also and was wondering about the current rfc for a few weeks.
Im not a core developer but I want to outline what i
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Stas Malyshev smalys...@sugarcrm.comwrote:
Hi!
Many PHP features should be language constructs, but they were made as
language hacks.
__construct is evil, as like any other language hack
Constructors are standard feature in many
, $aString) {
var_dump($anInteger, $aBool, $aString);
}
function withObject(ParamOject $o) {
var_dump( $o-theInteger(), $o-theBool(), $o-theString() );
}
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Hannes Landeholm landeh...@gmail.comwrote:
Using references does not speed up PHP
the most experienced programmer could not get it
right from the scratch.
IMHO, as a simple PHP programmer, the language should provide the simplest
language construct and the engine should handle all the complexity under the
hood.
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Sam Vilain sam.vil
::__construct will not exists.
In both cases there were no API changes, only the way the objects are
initializated was what changed.
My point is that the language does not provide solid fundations (aka
language constructs) for systems and libraries to evolve in a safe way.
Martin Scotta
On Wed, Jan 19
Hi all,
I'm just starting with the internal PHP development.
Do you have some sort of common development environment? Eclipse project or
the like?
I'm using Ubuntu but also have a WXP, just for the sake of.
how do you develop PHP ?
Martin Scotta
Yes, my question was about the internal development of PHP.
How do you guys develop the core of PHP?
Which IDE or text editor do you use?
How do you launch the compiler?
Are you able to debug the PHP core while it's running some PHP script?
Martin Scotta
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:29 PM
Hi all,
I don't know how the internal development process of PHP works.
First at all: was this feature approved?
if that is a yes...
is this feature going to be scheduled for some release?
Is it supposed that I will submit a patch?
Thanks you all,
Martin Scotta
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:07
that 'A\B\C\Foo', but
the string comparison will return false
Regards,
Martin Scotta
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Michael Morris dmgx.mich...@gmail.comwrote:
+1 to this. In a similar vein (and similar reasons) consider ::PARENT as
well. Since parent is also a reserved word here too is a case
for consistency but, as I previously said, I'm not sure about this
one.
Martin Scotta
2011/1/5 John LeSueur john.lesu...@gmail.com
2011/1/5 Johannes Schlüter johan...@php.net
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 21:53 -0300, Martin Scotta wrote:
$obj = newInstance( MyClass ); // notice. undefined
is
using as it today.
What do you think about?
Martin Scotta
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