[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.19 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.19. This is a bugfix release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.19 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: <https://php.net/releases/8_2_19.php>
Downloads:<https://php.net/downloads>
Windows downloads:<https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2>
Changelog:<https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.19>
Release Manifest: 
<https://gist.github.com/saundefined/3b5da895fdb07ab477d9461e344a5763>

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.19RC1 Ready for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.19RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.19RC1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.19 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on May 09, 2024.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/5eb6c6f54f22fcf88315ced0bd8de140

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] PHP 8.4 Release Managers

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all!

Voting ended and Derick's script counted the votes [1].

Our "rookie" PHP 8.4 release managers are:

- Calvin Buckley
- Saki Takamachi

Our "veteran" is the PHP 8.3 release manager Eric Mann.

Further steps are described in the New release manager checklist [2],
I believe you can discuss it with Eric.

Thank you to all the candidates!
And I hope you'll consider putting in your name for future release manager 
elections.


[1] https://gist.github.com/derickr/d54b33949d69ae12553ace8af4758934
[2] 
https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/58c020250648f54630d9fec572a53106d720649e/docs/release-process.md#new-release-manager-checklist


Cheers,
Sergey



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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.17 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.17. This is a bugfix release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.17 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: <https://php.net/releases/8_2_17.php>
Downloads:<https://php.net/downloads>
Windows downloads:<https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2>
Changelog:<https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.17>
Release Manifest: 
<https://gist.github.com/saundefined/420ca397b113cb8739301bb3480ff341>

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.17RC2 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.17RC2 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.17RC2

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.17 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on March 14, 2024.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/1963093b6742638ab78f8948dcf9c9bf

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.15 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.15. This is a bugfix release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.15 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: <https://php.net/releases/8_2_15.php>
Downloads:<https://php.net/downloads>
Windows downloads:<https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2>
Changelog:<https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.15>
Release Manifest:
<https://gist.github.com/saundefined/856e5c08291fea75ec8fc5af636def2a>

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.15RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.15RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.15RC1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.15 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on January 18, 2024.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/61f703dc106b00a65271e69b89ca5df8

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.13 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.13. This is a security release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.13 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: https://php.net/releases/8_2_13.php
Downloads: https://php.net/downloads
Windows downloads: https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2
Changelog: https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.13
Release Manifest:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/d9854205df8fa3e9bff9f902cea044ab

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.13RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.13RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.13RC1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.13 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on November 23, 2023.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/a8570cde8712890a3cffac5c44754363

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.11 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.11. This is a security release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.11 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: https://php.net/releases/8_2_11.php
Downloads: https://php.net/downloads
Windows downloads: https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2
Changelog: https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.11
Release Manifest:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/f30a9336defb8105f2be9a058b080d5a

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.11RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.11RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.11RC1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.11 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on September 28, 2023.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/094f4997c01773d8d011106fa87a7788

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.9 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.9. This is a security release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.9 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: https://php.net/releases/8_2_9.php
Downloads: https://php.net/downloads
Windows downloads: https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2
Changelog: https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.9
Release Manifest:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/2a296392f4876dbeeafac2ca8ae3a62b

Windows source and binaries are not synchronized and do not contain a fix for 
GH-11854
(https://github.com/php/php-src/issues/11854).

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.9 missing?

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi,

thanks for your vigilance.

PHP 8.2.9 has not been announced yet, as the Windows builds were built on the 
old git tag and should be rebuilt.

As soon as the new Windows build is ready, I'll announce PHP 8.2.9.

Cheers,
Sergey

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.9RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.9RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.9RC1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.9 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on August 3, 2023.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/2585ae1adfc2e17dc9fc96351e1b697a

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.8 Released

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.8. This is a bugfix release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.8 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: https://php.net/releases/8_2_8.php
Downloads: https://php.net/downloads
Windows downloads: https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2
Changelog: https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.8
Release Manifest:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/ab8555259b8ef5af516d3661ac2535ff

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.8RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.8RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.8RC1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.8 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on July 6, 2023.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/d8e755c476ff4afb62e09960286d4abd

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.6 Released

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.6. This is a bugfix release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.6 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: https://php.net/releases/8_2_6.php
Downloads: https://php.net/downloads
Windows downloads: https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2
Changelog: https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.6
Release Manifest:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/d76746a87da72237febfe42197718dca

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.6RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.6RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.6RC1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.6 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on May 11, 2023.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/e51ec29ad289692fce7169192603975c

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE] PHP 8.3 Release Managers

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all,

The polls have closed, and Derick’s scripts have tallied the votes [1],

Our “rookie" PHP 8.3 release managers are:
- Jakub Zelenka
- Eric Mann

Our "veteran” is the PHP 8.2 release manager Pierrick Charron.
Jakub and Eric you are in a good hands!

Further steps are described in the New release manager checklist [2],
I believe you can discuss it with Pierrick.

Calvin, I hope you’ll consider putting in your name for future release manager 
elections.

Thank you to all!

[1] https://gist.github.com/derickr/9dca6c23663eb44b58d380ae8b914e5a
[2] 
https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/b340e10d6e32df0ca586e06d0c9406402b47205f/docs/release-process.md#new-release-manager-checklist

Cheers,
Sergey


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[PHP-DEV] [VOTE] PHP 8.3 Release Managers

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all,

In the role of "Veteran" release manager, Pierrick Charron [0], the PHP 8.2 
release manager,
has volunteered to mentor two rookies, so there will be two seats up for grabs.

For those two rookie seats, we’ve got three eager candidates for your 
consideration [1-3].

Voting is now open on https://wiki.php.net/todo/php83 using "Single 
Transferrable Vote" (STV).
Those who participated in prior elections will recognize the format;
for the rest, the TL;DR is that it allows each voter to state their preference 
order by voting multiple times.

There are three polls on the wiki for your three preferences, in descending 
order.

Using some math that I’ll leave to Wikipedia[4] to explain,
we’ll start with the 1st preference and gradually remove candidates with the 
fewest votes,
transferring votes that had previously gone to them to their voter’s 2nd 
preference, and so on.
Once two candidates have a quorum (Droop quota), those will be officially 
selected as our RMs.

Derick Rethans has volunteered to proctor the tabulation of the votes, since he 
still has scripts from last year.

As you consider each candidate, please bear in mind that this is a 3.5 year 
commitment and is a position of trust.

Thank you in advance for your consideration.

Your 8.2 Release Managers,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey

Vote Opens: 1 April 2023
Vote Closes: 16 April 2023 12:00:00 UTC

Refs:
0 - Pierrick Charron: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/119668
1 - Eric Mann: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/119647
2 - Calvin Buckley: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/119648
3 - Jakub Zelenka: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/119794
4 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote


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Re: [PHP-DEV] Release Managers for PHP 8.3

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all,

Just a friendly reminder: applications for the PHP 8.3 RMs will be closed in 
one week, at March 31, 12:00:00 UTC.

Cheers,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.4 Released

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.4. This is a bugfix release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.4 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: https://php.net/releases/8_2_4.php
Downloads: https://php.net/downloads
Windows downloads: https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2
Changelog: https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.4
Release Manifest:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/a5a0aac1907ade5e14833a7c235d7a72

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] Release Managers for PHP 8.3

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all,

I'd like to clarify the deadline for the volunteer search and the voting phase:

Applications will be accepted until 31 March 12:00:00 UTC

Elections (if needed) will start on 1 April and run until 16 April 12:00:00 UTC


Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.4RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.4RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

Or use the git tag: php-8.2.4RC1

Windows binaries are available at https://windows.php.net/qa#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system:
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/559c8869e37c8ddbcbe37aee9892f927

PHP 8.2.4 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on Mar 16, 2023.

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] Release Managers for PHP 8.3

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all,

It's time to start the process of finding and electing RMs for the next minor 
PHP release.

We are looking for three souls to take on this role. Whomsoever is elected will 
be guided and helped by the current, as well as previous RMs and the excellent 
documentation in release-process.md [1].

Candidates should have a reasonable knowledge of internals (without necessarily 
being a C guru), be confident about merging pull requests without breaking 
backward compatibility, doing triage for bugs, liaising with previous release 
managers, and generally getting the branch in good shape, as these are among 
the activities you will be undertaking as release manager.

Notably, at least one of the volunteers must be a "veteran" release manager, 
meaning they have participated in at least one release of PHP in the past. The 
other may be an additional veteran, or more ideally, someone new to the RM role 
(in order to increase our supply of veteran RMs).

Please put your name forward here if you wish to be considered a candidate. An 
initial TODO page has been added to the wiki and contains provisional dates for 
GA and pre-releases [2].

[1] https://github.com/php/php-src/blob/master/docs/release-process.md
[2] https://wiki.php.net/todo/php83

Let's all make PHP awesome!
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.2 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP
8.2.2. This is a bugfix release.

All PHP 8.2 users are encouraged to upgrade to this version.

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.2 please visit our downloads page.
Windows binaries can be found on the PHP for Windows site.
The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog.

Release Announcement: https://php.net/releases/8_2_2.php
Downloads: https://php.net/downloads
Windows downloads: https://windows.php.net/download#php-8.2
Changelog: https://php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.2
Release Manifest:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/a4009bacc110de101771e4b9e6c74360

Many thanks to all the contributors and supporters!

Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.2RC1 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.2RC1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey/

Or use the git tag: php-8.2.2RC1

Windows binaries are available at https://windows.php.net/qa#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs in the bug system:
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/d8b8cf869dbceccc0978f03ff92a92d3

PHP 8.2.2 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on Feb 2, 2023.

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0 Released!

[Sergey Panteleev]

The PHP development team announces the immediate availability of PHP 8.2.0.
This release marks the latest minor release of the PHP language.

PHP 8.2 comes with numerous improvements and new features, such as:
- Readonly classes
- Disjunctive Normal Form (DNF) Types
- New stand-alone types: null, false, and true
- New "Random" extension
- Constants in traits
- Deprecate dynamic properties

For source downloads of PHP 8.2.0 please visit our downloads page
(https://www.php.net/downloads.php), Windows source and binaries can be
found on https://windows.php.net/download/.

The list of changes is recorded in the ChangeLog
(https://www.php.net/ChangeLog-8.php#8.2.0).

The migration guide (https://php.net/manual/en/migration82.php) is available
in the PHP Manual.

Please consult it for the detailed list of new features and backward
incompatible changes.

Kudos to all the contributors and supporters!

Release Manifest here and below:
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/aa15978ea1add1bb40e83f302409e557

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey



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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0RC6 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.0RC6 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.0RC6

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

This year we will introduce another release candidate - RC7 [1],
which will be released in 2 weeks on 24 November 2022.

PHP 8.2.0 will be released on 8 December 2022.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/2195c0175f329b302c191c221e13

Thank you, and happy testing!


[1] https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/118991

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Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey

[PHP-DEV] PHP Releases Schedule Changes

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi internals,

In PHP 8.2.0, Bob Weinand found some critical bugs that are uncommon in 
artificial code,
but are very likely to happen in a real world use case.

>I've been testing the release with an observer enabled extension in real world 
>scenarios against other codebases.

>It turned out that if the observer was enabled preloading hard crashed. 
>(https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/37b3e377a40799d75f7acd76e35d5eee8ad539ca)

>It happened that sometimes the opcodes array pointer changes in pass_two() 
>during the erealloc(). Happens rarely, but sometimes led to an unpleasant 
>crash with my extension. 
>(https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/97236f9d9b92f1825b76a2aceac3dfc37e262fdd)

Also, some releases are scheduled just before festivity period.

Therefore, we decided to introduce another release candidate for 8.2.0, RC7 and 
to slightly change the schedule for subsequent releases.

Thus, the new schedule will look like this:

November 24: PHP 8.2.0RC7
December 8: PHP 8.2.0 (includes fixes from 7.4.35, 8.1.13, and 8.2.0)
Dec 15: PHP 8.2.1RC1 (synchronized with 8.0/8.1)
Jan 5: PHP 8.2.1 (in sync with 8.0/8.1)

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Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0RC4 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.0RC4 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.0RC4

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

The fifth release candidate, PHP 8.2.0RC5 should be expected in 2 weeks,
i.e. on 27 October 2022.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/ce2995354d384b5c8feafd3f246cc3d2

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey



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[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0RC2 is available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.0RC2 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.0RC2

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to 
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

PHP 8.2.0RC3 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on September 29, 2022.
Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at

https://gist.github.com/saundefined/d86e6eeab140eaf90f6924fe1343ee92


Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2 branch cut

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi internals!

Tomorrow is a big day, and we'll make the PHP 8.2 branch cut.

FYI, we plan to do that about 3-4 pm UTC.

—
wbr,
Pierrick, Sergey & Ben

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2 branch cut

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi internals!

Next Tuesday, August 30 we will be doing a PHP-8.2 branch cut,
which will open up the master for working on PHP 8.3.

This will mean that bug fixes will have to include PHP-8.2 in their merge chain
(which means more work on merging patches targeting 8.2).

We still have unresolved issues:

• Make libxml_set_external_entity_loader() return the previous loader [1]
• Improved responses to different requests on static resources in built-in web 
server [2]
• Implement FR #76935: OpenSSL chacha20-poly1305 AEAD support [3]
• Add openssl_cipher_key_length function [4]
• Strict properties and unserialization issue [5]
• Add a filter flag FILTER_FLAG_NO_SCIENTIFIC [6]
• Collision of interface constant and trait constant doesn't produce fatal 
error [7]


The general RMs position is:

If it fixes a bug, it should be merged before RC 1,
if it's a new feature or behavior change without a good reason, it should 
probably put off until PHP 8.3.


[1] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/7977

• https://externals.io/message/118438

[2] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/8215
[3] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/9366
[4] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/9368
[5] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/9354

• https://github.com/php/php-src/issues/9186
• https://externals.io/message/118434

[6] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/9338

• https://externals.io/message/118436

[7] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/9274

• https://github.com/php/php-src/issues/9271


—
Regards,
Pierrick, Sergey & Ben

[PHP-DEV] [PHP 8.2] Add a filter flag FILTER_FLAG_NO_SCIENTIFIC

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hey internals,

another feature requires a discussion [1].

I and Pierrick have discussed this, and if there are no flags that we have not 
noticed preventing the merge,
we plan to include this PR in PHP 8.2 before RC cycle is started.

We would like to hear your thoughts about this issue.


[1] https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/9338

—
wbr,
Pierrick and Sergey

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0 Beta 2 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.0beta2 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.0beta2

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

8.2.0beta3 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on August 18th 2022.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/1540f44aa0f70fd37bb71817db37c47a

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] Add json_encode indent parameter

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi,

I guess we can close the vote?

Consider the wiki, it should be closed on July 18.

If we do that now, the RFC will be declined by 7 votes for and 21 against.

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0alpha3 available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.0alpha3 has just been released and can be downloaded from:

https://downloads.php.net/~sergey

or

https://qa.php.net/

or use the git tag: php-8.2.0alpha3

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/#php-8.2

Please test it carefully, and report any bugs to
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

8.2.0beta1 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on July 21 2022.

Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/1a77d968a000ace97d2cbda156ce50dc

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] [PHP 8.2] Feature freeze in 3 weeks

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all,

This is a friendly reminder from your RMs that the PHP 8.2 feature freeze is in 
a 3 weeks (July 19th) [1].

All RFCs currently in discussion targeting PHP 8.2 should plan to begin voting 
in the next week in order to have sufficient time to complete prior to the July 
19th deadline and have their initial implementations merged before the branch 
is cut.

[1] https://wiki.php.net/todo/php82

—
Regards,
Pierrick, Sergey and Ben

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0alpha1 is available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

I apologize, the previous post had the wrong tag,

The correct one, of course, is php-8.2.0alpha1

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2.0alpha1 is available for testing

[Sergey Panteleev]

PHP 8.2.0alpha1 has just been released and can be downloaded from:
https://downloads.php.net/~sergey
Or use the git tag: php-8.1.0alpha1

Windows binaries are available at: https://windows.php.net/qa/

This is the first official release of the PHP 8.2 serial and includes
an incredible amount of work.
Please test it carefully, and report any bugs at 
https://github.com/php/php-src/issues

8.2.0alpha2 should be expected in 2 weeks, i.e. on 23 Jun 2022.
Hash values and PGP signatures can be found below or at
https://gist.github.com/saundefined/b83188c0bf39ed69af2186b8f9cb1fdd

Thank you, and happy testing!

Regards,
Pierrick Charron, Sergey Panteleev & Ben Ramsey


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[PHP-DEV] Questions about main.php.net and people.php.net

[Sergey Panteleev]

I'm not sure it's worth shutting down, it's not bothering anyone =)

Aside: The community is quite large, and it's not always easy to find who is 
responsible for what or who has what access.
When I needed access to the edit-box server, it took a long time to find 
someone who could grant me that access.
IMO, instead of karma and count of assigned bugs, we can display other useful 
information.


>Hi Sergey,

>Thank you for answering my questions. So, when I see this right, 
>people.php.net could get shut down. >Right? (Anyway I will add a voting for 
>this in my RFC)

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

[PHP-DEV] Questions about main.php.net and people.php.net

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hey Aaron,

1. main is still used for member management, at least the settings for mail 
forwarding @php.net are specified there.

2. people only used to display information about members, no management logic 
there.
It used to display user's "karma" as well, but with the transition to GitHub 
this information is no longer relevant.

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev
>

[PHP-DEV] Re: [8.2] Release Manager Election

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hey Remi,

>Do you have a twitter account ?

https://twitter.com/s_panteleev

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

[PHP-DEV] Re: [8.2] Release Manager Election

[Sergey Panteleev]

Thanks everyone for yours vote and trust,

Ben and Pierrick, I also looking forward to work with you.

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2 Release Manager Selection

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hey Christoph,

Do we choose one rookie for this release or two (as for 8.1)?

Also, maybe define some kind of deadline for submitting applications and the 
voting phase, thoughts?

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

[PHP-DEV] PHP 8.2 Release Manager Selection

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi all,

Lately I've been doing documentation for PHP, keeping the Russian version up to 
date, and helping a little with the English, German and French versions.

I would also like to contribute and help in other areas, such as newbie RM.

If possible, my hat is in the ring.

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

[Sergey Panteleev]

Please, let's not start attacking each other here,
everyone is nervous enough as it is.

Several members have asked not to have a debate on this mailing list,
let's respect their opinions too.

As an option, I suggest either creating a PR with a news/banner
and discussing _there_ in the comments,
so that people who want to express their opinion
will take part in the discussion, not the whole mailing list,

or create an RFC and vote (regarding this situation and all similar ones ever 
in the future) —
should PHP react to such world events.

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

[Sergey Panteleev]

I'd suggest making a PR with the News (press release) in web-php
and maybe discussing it already on GitHub,
since it would get more coverage and we can hear more opinions.

But I'm very much afraid that this could lead to an uncontrolled flow of 
messages,
as it was recently in the github/feedback discussions [1].

If there are no objections to this option, let's try?


[1] https://github.com/github/feedback/discussions/12042

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev
>

Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop Russian agression

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hey all,

I'd like to add my 2c:

I agree that php.net is not the right place to express our personal citizenship.
It's better to use Twitter, Facebook, or another social network for these 
purposes.


If you believe that the PHP community is obliged to show solidarity on the 
php.net,
and not every person personally,
I suggest that instead of a banner we release a News on the main page.

>Why is this important? There are a lot of PHP developers in Russia.
>A lot of them, sadly, have been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda.
>They still must have a lot of respect to PHP authors and creators.
>Seeing that these people, who have their respect, are against the war and for 
>the freedom of Ukraine, might have an impact.

I can not answer for all Russian developers, but I can judge by myself and my 
social circle:
we're against the war, "military operation" or any other aggression, whatever 
you want to call it.

Also, colleagues from the IT industry have drafted an open letter to the 
national government [1-2].

In addition to highlighting the problem, we can also add these links:
in this case, developers from Russia will see, that not only people,
who have their respect do not support the war, but also their fellow countrymen.

[1] 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rSmclqedrhTASIsyXLOz39pU0WzV8b443au9X88Lx_c/edit
[2] 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jBJPwCkR6UfTF_6KnU6m5w3ViDj4076r_Bvd88UwCKg/edit

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev

Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hmm…

> I've tried the same yesterday, but the auth plugin does no longer work for 
> me. I get a 404 after trying to sign in.

Can you also check the .htaccess file?

IMO, it should fail on /start page without additional settings.

I deployed for the test here: https://wiki.s-panteleev.ru/

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev


From: Niklas Keller 
Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 13:15
To: Sergey Panteleev , Stanislav Malyshev 

Cc: PHP internals 
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade
Hey Sergey,

I've tried the same yesterday, but the auth plugin does no longer work for me. 
I get a 404 after trying to sign in.

2692 files changed, 35365 insertions(+), 102210 deletions(-)

Dokuwiki changed a lot in the latest release, e.g. namespacing and refactoring 
quite a bit. I'll need to have a look at the plugin.

@Stanislav Malyshev<mailto:smalys...@gmail.com>: We're only one release behind, 
the other three yellow bars are about release candidates. However, Dokuwiki 
might not be PHP 8 compatible, yet, at least the latest release only says it 
fixes PHP 7.4 compatibility.

I'd be open to replace the wiki with a Git repository and markdown. I prepared 
that a long time ago by writing a Dokuwiki -> Markdown converter.

The main challenges I see are:
 - Voting
 - Voting access for people without VCS account

Voting could probably be moved into main.php.net<http://main.php.net> (except 
for people without a VCS account, but we could probably approve an account 
there without any further access?)

Best,
Niklas

Am Do., 8. Apr. 2021 um 11:16 Uhr schrieb Sergey Panteleev 
mailto:ser...@s-panteleev.ru>>:
Hi there!

Oops .. for some reason an empty message came, try again =(

I prepared an upgrade to the last release [1].
I tested locally, it seems ok.

Can we test it in the production environment, but not yet release it?

[1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/15

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev


From: Joe Watkins mailto:krak...@gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 11:23
To: Stanislav Malyshev mailto:smalys...@gmail.com>>
Cc: PHP internals mailto:internals@lists.php.net>>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net<http://wiki.php.net> upgrade
Any use case we have for content or collaboration is best served by
whomever or whatever is going to secure that content or ability to
collaborate.

Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two
very public breaches of security that we know about.

We don't have the people to maintain our own infrastructure, let's stop
pretending we do.

Cheers
Joe

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:15, Stanislav Malyshev 
mailto:smalys...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > If we want to keep using wiki.php.net<http://wiki.php.net> then, sure, we 
> > should update it.
> > We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.
> >
> > We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could use
> > for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.
>
> Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I
> personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github would.
>
> --
> Stas Malyshev
> smalys...@gmail.com<mailto:smalys...@gmail.com>
>
> --
> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List
> To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
>

Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi there!

Oops .. for some reason an empty message came, try again =(

I prepared an upgrade to the last release [1].
I tested locally, it seems ok.

Can we test it in the production environment, but not yet release it?

[1] https://github.com/php/web-wiki/pull/15

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev


From: Joe Watkins 
Date: Thursday, 8 April 2021, 11:23
To: Stanislav Malyshev 
Cc: PHP internals 
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade
Any use case we have for content or collaboration is best served by
whomever or whatever is going to secure that content or ability to
collaborate.

Nobody has updated the wiki in several years, despite warnings, and two
very public breaches of security that we know about.

We don't have the people to maintain our own infrastructure, let's stop
pretending we do.

Cheers
Joe

On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 at 08:15, Stanislav Malyshev  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> > If we want to keep using wiki.php.net then, sure, we should update it.
> > We could also migrate the wiki to GitHub.
> >
> > We also already have https://github.com/php/php-rfcs which we could use
> > for RFCs instead of a wiki going forward.
>
> Wiki isn't used only for RFCs, there's more content there than that. I
> personally think wiki serves these use cases much better than Github would.
>
> --
> Stas Malyshev
> smalys...@gmail.com
>
> --
> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List
> To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
>

Re: [PHP-DEV] wiki.php.net upgrade

[Sergey Panteleev]

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[PHP-DEV] Re: Release Managers for PHP 8.1

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi there,

I would like to help as a newbie volunteer too.
If possible, my hat's in the ring.

—
wbr,
Sergey Panteleev



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Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 8 release announcement page on php.net

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi there!

I'm also ready to help with Russian translation

wbr,
Sergey Panteleev
On 19 Oct 2020, 16:54 +0300, Roman Pronskiy , 
wrote:
>
> From a technical perspective, I assume it should be possible to reuse
> php.net/manual/ mechanism for translations.
>
> As for the texts, the only way we can finish translations by November
> 26 is if we get community help. Because JetBrains localization
> resources will be overwhelmed during this period. Alexander and I can
> do Russian. Do you think we can get help with other languages?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: edit.php.net is down

[Sergey Panteleev]

Some social networks have changed the API,

I started fixing, but there is still google and need to check Linkedin

https://github.com/php/web-doc-editor/pull/19

wbr,
Sergey Panteleev
On 1 Sep 2020, 00:05 +0300, Haseeb A. Basil , wrote:
> ok, that seems to be working now as well.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: edit.php.net is down

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi,

the editor has been restored, you can use https://edit.php.net

wbr,
Sergey Panteleev
On 31 Aug 2020, 23:44 +0300, Haseeb A. Basil , wrote:
>
> https://edit-new.php.net/ is also down, what is the plan here? Is something 
> going on? Is there some work in progress to create a new platform or 
> something?

Re: [PHP-DEV] Community vote on RFCs

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi, Benjamin,

I think Nikita's suggestion is suitable for these purposes: 
https://github.com/php/php-rfcs.

At the moment this is an experimental repository, but in this case, it will be 
quite possible to get feedback from the community: e.g., 
https://github.com/php/php-rfcs/pull/1.

wbr,
Sergey Panteleev
On 20 Aug 2020, 02:19 +0300, Benjamin Morel , wrote:
>
> I'm surprised by these strong feelings. As a contributor and maintainer of
> several open source projects, I'm always influenced by the number of thumbs
> up/down feedback a message receives when reading discussions on GitHub,
> whether they are from members/contributors of the project, or from
> seemingly strangers. Of course, I'll often check *who *the feedback is
> coming from, and this influences me as well.
>
> I feel like this kind of feedback on the RFCs would be valuable to people
> who have a right to vote, especially if there was a way to extract
> specifically the feedback from open source project leads or heavy
> contributors.
>
> But you may disagree, of course.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: edit.php.net is down

[Sergey Panteleev]

Is it possible to add me to "jump" and "edit-new" servers?

It seems that only cron scripts are left to add.

wbr,
Sergey Panteleev
On 3 Aug 2020, 08:52 +0300, Сергей Пантелеев , wrote:
> I'll be happy to help too
>
> wbr,
> Sergey Panteleev
> On 3 Aug 2020, 00:30 +0300, Peter Cowburn , wrote:
> >
> > Neither, not until the edit-new box is up and running smoothly.  Volunteers 
> > to make that happen are welcome.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Bringing Peace to the Galaxy

[Sergey Panteleev]

As I understand, in P++ it was planned to drop the legacy code, add new 
functionality and painlessly implement BC.

Who wants – migrates the PHP project in P++, who doesn't – continues to use PHP.

New projects, for example, will use P++ already.

Well, how is this different from the new version of PHP (e.g. PHP 9)?

Who wants – adapts his code for PHP 8/9 with all its BCs, who doesn't – 
continued to use PHP 7/8.

Because this discussion flows smoothly from a neighboring branch, let me remind 
you that a few percentages of users who continue to use short tags were 
discussed there.

Perhaps the same percentage of users will remain in PHP instead of the 
discussed P++.

Will the development of a new language be justified due to the few percentages 
of users?

—
Sincerely,
Sergey Panteleev
https://s-panteleev.ru
Telegram: @saundefined
E-mail: ser...@s-panteleev.ru
On 9 Aug 2019, 10:33 +0300, Kris Craig , wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:22 AM Nikita Popov  wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 11:25 PM Zeev Suraski  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:02 AM Nikita Popov 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is basically what I have been advocating for a while now already,
> > > > somewhat hidden between all the other noise of the "namespace-scoped
> > > > declares" thread. The model I would like to follow are Rust editions (
> > > > https://doc.rust-lang.org/edition-guide/editions/index.html). In PHP
> > > > right now, the way to do this technically would be based on a
> > > > declare(edition=2020) in every file. I was hoping to make this a
> > > > per-package declaration instead, but haven't found the perfect way to do
> > > > this right now.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think it's similar, but not quite the same, at least as far as what I
> > > understood from what you were saying on that thread (I just reread it).
> > > First, I think it's important we don't only focus on what we're going to
> > > change - but also on what we're going to keep. The motivation should not
> > > be slow eventual migration from one codebase to another. We would have
> > > two, long-term supported codebases - a lot closer to C and C++ than to
> > > different editions of a single language. The distance between them would
> > > be quite substantial from the get-go - and will likely grow farther as
> > time
> > > goes by, similarly to the situation with C and C++.
> > >
> >
> > I think this part is unrealistic from a simple manpower perspective. We
> > have something like ~2 full time developers working on PHP. Even if you can
> > rally some additional interest around this idea, I don't think we have the
> > resources to create a *substantially* different language in any reasonable
> > amount of time. Doing feature additions and changes to PHP is Hard. Even
> > simple changes require a fair bit of design and engineering effort to
> > integrate with the large complexity of the existing language. This would
> > not change for a hypothetical P++, because we still need to interoperate
> > with PHP.
> >
> > Even if I agreed with the idea (which I'm pretty skeptical about in this
> > particular form), I really don't think we have the resources to do
> > something like this.
> >
> > Nikita
> >
> >
> I think it should also be pointed out that there's nothing stopping anyone
> from forking PHP into a new project as Zeev described and maintain feature
> parity. As I understand, the reason something like this hasn't happened
> already is because it would involve a ton of work and nobody wants to deal
> with it. But if you or anyone else does manage to put a team together and
> make something like this happen as a separate project, I'd certainly have
> no objection.
>
> --Kris

Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecate PHP's short open tags, again

[Sergey Panteleev]

Hi there!

Perhaps I missed and someone already suggested,
but didn't consider a compromise option:
just change the default value short_open_tag=false,
and DON'T removes the option from php.ini?

If someone uses short tags - ok, they will change
the default value to true and everything will be as before,
who won't change it - will enjoy the full syntax

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Sergey Panteleev
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On 7 Aug 2019, 22:25 +0300, Zeev Suraski , wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 8:45 PM Peter Kokot  wrote:
>
> > Considering that you're in favor of keeping the short opening tag in
> >
> PHP "forever" because you haven't added any kind of other solution
> > either by now neither you see an issue with this... I think the worst
> > situation for language is that there is an option to write non
> > portable code with this unfortunate short tag.
>
>
> Peter,
>
> To put it simply - many of us simply don't see an issue if short tags are
> with us even at PHP 99, centuries after we're no longer around. We
> certainly don't see an issue if it sticks with us until PHP 10.
>
> In fact, it's not that we don't think it's an issue - we actually think
> that's a Good Thing if it stays, and a Bad Thing if it's removed.
>
> I did my best to illustrate why I think that is the case in my
> Counterargument (
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/counterargument/deprecate_php_short_tags). I
> accept that you see things differently. However, please accept that we
> also see things differently and are entitled to our opinion just as much as
> you are entitled to yours. We simply fail to see an issue with short tags
> that comes even close for us to want to remove it. It's not even a close
> call. A zero gain and substantial pain associated with a deprecation
> should be an obvious choice.
>
> To quote Sara Golemon:
> "Frankly, I can't understand why anyone *does* want to drop it."
> (https://twitter.com/SaraMG/status/1158936328450576384)
>
> PHP always had a bias for downwards compatibility. We went out of our way
> to come up with creative ways to reinvent the brain of the language several
> times - while going through hoops to keep code behavior identical. We did
> not shy away from breaking compatibility when there was a very strong case
> - such as the OO model between PHP 4 and 5, the deprecation of magic quotes
> and the deprecation of safe mode - all painful migrations, but with a very,
> very strong case that goes well beyond "having more than one way of doing
> things" or "this creates the possibility of non-portable code". TBH, I
> expected folks who are joining the project to accept that, although I guess
> I was naive as this is clearly not happening (it's only implied in the
> 'rules', but not actually codified).
>
> Repeating what I said a couple of weeks ago - it seems we've now switched
> to the business of breaking things almost for the sake of breaking things,
> and it's really disheartening.
>
> Many of us think that removing short tags does *absolutely nothing* to
> improve the portability of PHP code.
>
> I'll go beyond that - the ability to create non-portable code should never
> be grounds by itself for deprecating a feature (it can be a contributing
> factor). There are endless elements that an app can use that can make it
> non portable. For example, should we be deprecating support for all
> databases other than SQLite? After all, they may not always be installed.
> Should we deprecate the SHM extension? People using it may be stuck if
> they ever try to deploy to Windows. What about deprecating
> disable_functions? It's a portability disaster that's just waiting to
> happen. And I barely even got started. Almost anything beyond pure PHP
> logic may not work in all environments, and it's absolutely fine. It also
> constitutes absolutely no grounds for starting to go around axing features.
>
> Thankfully, fact is, not all code has to be portable. The important thing
> is that those who want to write portable code will be able to do so - while
> not forcing everyone else to write portable code by enforcing the lowest
> common denominator.
> I think Chase alluded to the fact that there's substantial anecdotal
> evidence that the availability of short tags did not actually cause any
> trouble in the last 20 years. And when I say anecdotal evidence - I mean
> that some of the most popular applications on the Web (including the top 3
> most popular ones) have been written in PHP, and there's a gigantic
> framework ecosystem around PHP.
>
> I realize that you think it's a problem that we have two opening tags for
> PHP - and a major one at that. It's entirely you