Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-28 Thread Wez Furlong
IMO, it makes sense to fold EXPERIMENTAL and CREDITS files into the package.xml files that Hartmut added; they provide versioning and status information. Non-BC API changes require a bump to the API major number; a new major in alpha or beta implies that the new API is subject to change until it

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. Having guidelines for issues like adding a new module [5] or

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Christian Stocker
On 27.8.2004 8:59 Uhr, Derick Rethans wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. Having guidelines for

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Derick Rethans wrote: What is wrong with how we currently do it? We have currently nothing like it. Or if we do, I haven't notices it in the last couple of years. And if I haven't, chances are that our users haven't either :-) -- Sebastian Bergmann http://sebastian-bergmann.de/

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Zeev Suraski wrote: I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two - quality rating, and 'API subject to change' tagging. Does this make sense to anybody else? yes, sounds much better than

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Christian Stocker wrote: Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this chaotic, based-on-common-agreement developement process actually works at all ;) Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process there are some very clear metrics for the result, like e.g.

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Christian Stocker wrote: Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this chaotic, based-on-common-agreement developement process actually works at all ;) Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process there are

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Christian Stocker
On 27.8.2004 9:58 Uhr, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Christian Stocker wrote: Actually, other people i talk to are always impressed, how this chaotic, based-on-common-agreement developement process actually works at all ;) Well, one reason might be no matter how fuzzy the process there are some

Re: Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Jacques Marneweck
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:11:58 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: What is wrong with how we currently do it? We have currently nothing like it. Or if we do, I haven't notices it in the last couple of years. And if I haven't, chances are that our users

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On August 27, 2004 03:26 am, Zeev Suraski wrote: Me too. I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two - quality rating, and 'API subject to change' tagging. Does this make sense to anybody else? As long as

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Jason Garber
Hello Zeev, Makes sense to me. -- Best regards, Jasonmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, August 27, 2004, 3:26:25 AM, you wrote: ZS I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the ZS simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Derick Rethans
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: I would like to get some feedback about my suggestion to move away from the simple 'experimental' status and dividing it into two - quality rating, and 'API subject to change' tagging. Does this make sense to anybody

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Hartmut Holzgraefe
Derick Rethans wrote: Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? But not everything is in PECL :) any bundled extensions that are still EXPERIMENTAL should move to PECL anyway IMHO -- Hartmut Holzgraefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Ilia Alshanetsky
On August 27, 2004 11:31 am, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? But not everything is in PECL :) any bundled extensions that are still EXPERIMENTAL should move to PECL anyway IMHO +1 Ilia -- PHP Internals - PHP

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Zeev Suraski
At 18:33 27/08/2004, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On August 27, 2004 11:31 am, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? But not everything is in PECL :) any bundled extensions that are still EXPERIMENTAL should move to PECL

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-27 Thread Christian Stocker
On 27.8.2004 20:23 Uhr, Zeev Suraski wrote: At 18:33 27/08/2004, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: On August 27, 2004 11:31 am, Hartmut Holzgraefe wrote: Derick Rethans wrote: Aren't PECL package version numbers already providing this? But not everything is in PECL :) any bundled extensions that

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-26 Thread Rasmus Lerdorf
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. Having guidelines for issues like adding a new module [5]

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-26 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: It smells a little too processy to me, but I wouldn't mind a system that borrowed some of the ideas. That is exactly why chose Learning ... and not Adopting ... :-) We should have a look at it and see for ourselves what could work for us. Like a single collection point

Re: [PHP-DEV] Learning from Python: PEPping the PHP Development Process

2004-08-26 Thread Sterling Hughes
Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: At last weekend's EuroFoo [1] I attended Marc-Andre Lemburg's talk [2] on the Python development process. I really wish we had a process similar to Python's PEPs [3] [4] for PHP. Having guidelines for issues like adding a